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[TK514]

I think you are stretching, Iakus,

 

 

It'd be a stretch to consider a whole country a clan, in my opinion.

 

Not so big a stretch to consider a Noble House a 'clan'.

[Hellion Rex]

Not so big a stretch to consider a Noble House a 'clan'.

But he was talking about all of Arlathan...

[The Elder King]

Eeeeeh, I believe she asked for it. Whether or not there was anything more, I can't remember, but, I don't think the Chantry would turn down a willing participant to be made Tranquil.

  

That was total supposition on my part. I'm actually the one who put that out there. There is no definitive proof on Orana.
 
The only known Dreamers are:
Feynriel
Aurelian Titus (comics)
Felassan

I was referring to Orana being a Dreamer, not the Tranquility part.
While I agree that it seems likely she was one, it's not sure.

[Heimdall]

Given how Gaspard and Celene likely realize that Felassan was a confidant of Briala, it's possible one of the human parties assembled at the possible peace meeting (depending on the composition of the attending parties at the peace talks) might reach out to Felassan's clan for a seat at the table, if Briala has established a network and is using the Eluvians to subvert both sides from a total victory during the civil war. In TME, Celene was willing to offer Clan Virnehn honorary lordship and other concessions for their assistance, so she (or the person who has arranged for this meeting) may make some offer for the Dalish to attend the meeting.
 
It could explain why one of the People is even at the meeting, where the rumored cataclysm is supposed to take place.

I'm not sure how they would know which clan was Felassan's, let alone how to find them, but otherwise it makes sense.

I was doing a little rereading and one line stuck out regarding Felassan's clan, in the epilogue:

Mihris: "Will you take me to your clan?"

Felassan: "I don't think you want to meet my clan, da'len"

Just struck me as... rather sinister.

[myahele]

Could it be that Felassan may be city elf mage that somehow got adopted/rescued by a Dalish clan?

We already have plenty of non dalish elves living with the dalish.

One of Wynne's 1st apprentice escaped and is living in Zathrian/Lanayas clan. Due to prejudices he chose to live in the outskirts of the camp and live among nature. Maybe the same happened to Felassan?

[Heimdall]

Could it be that Felassan may be city elf mage that somehow got adopted/rescued by a Dalish clan?
We already have plenty of non dalish elves living with the dalish.
One of Wynne's 1st apprentice escaped and is living in Zathrian/Lanayas clan. Due to prejudices he chose to live in the outskirts of the camp and live among nature. Maybe the same happened to Felassan?

Aneirin wasn't living with the Dalish, he was on his own. They just happened to be camp led nearby.

I suppose Felassan could have been a Circle Mage, but there's no evidence to support it and hints seem to point towards something more complicated.

[LobselVith8]

Aneirin wasn't living with the Dalish, he was on his own. They just happened to be camp led nearby.
I suppose Felassan could have been a Circle Mage, but there's no evidence to support it and hints seem to point towards something more complicated.

Aneirin seemed to like being on his own in the wilderness, but he struck me as part of the clan, given his proximity to the People, his Dalish attire, and his vallaslin. As a healer, he may have been a follower of Vir Atish'an.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I'm pretty sure Anerin himself says that he doesn't consider a Dalish, and that's why he left the clan to live in the wilderness.

[efd731]

True. My main hope is that the Eluvians will be required and that the Orlesian civil war will have to end with negotiating with one of the belligerents in favor of a pro-elven position.

That's as silly as saying "I hope the plot requires us to smash the eluvians and utterly crush the Dalish." I mean, sure it's just what you want, but it's rather silly. I'm far more interested in the possible appearance of the the two previous Dalish clans, maybe helping sway any Dalish decisions.

[efd731]

I will see if it's possible to destroy everything Orlesian. This may well include Leliana and the Divine, after that other little nugget. I'm comprehensively fed up with the place.


Hmm. We should see how he responds if my "No ally of mine" campaign gets off the ground.

and that is precisely?

[LobselVith8]

That's as silly as saying "I hope the plot requires us to smash the eluvians and utterly crush the Dalish." I mean, sure it's just what you want, but it's rather silly. I'm far more interested in the possible appearance of the the two previous Dalish clans, maybe helping sway any Dalish decisions.

That's actually what some people have suggested. This thread has also had some people suggest that the elves will be automatic antagonists and that you'll only be able to side with the humans.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Neither one would be a good design in the game.

[Hellion Rex]

That's actually what some people have suggested. This thread has also had some people suggest that the elves will be automatic antagonists and that you'll only be able to side with the humans.

I don't think they're antagonists, but neither do I think their actions are gonna be on the straight and narrow either, especially since Briala wants continue this damned war, which inevitably lead to much more bloodshed.

[efd731]

That's actually what some people have suggested. This thread has also had some people suggest that the elves will be automatic antagonists and that you'll only be able to side with the humans.

I have a hard time picturing bioware making genocide required. And those people's suggestions are as silly as Xil's. I can see the elves becoming sort-of antagonists if we work to end the ocw, but not always hostile.
Edit: also, since most people accept that the dragon age world is sh*t morally, elven rights isn't a major deal(to all), but them prolonging a civil war during the apocalypse In which we desperately need allies is more likely to draw ire than sympathy.

[LobselVith8]

I don't think they're antagonists, but neither do I think their actions are gonna be on the straight and narrow either, especially since Briala wants continue this damned war, which inevitably lead to much more bloodshed.

Celene and Gaspard are participants in the Game, and you could also say their actions haven't been on the straight and narrow, either. It's not like Celene or Gaspard are putting down their claim for the throne because of the veil tears. I don't see why Briala is singled out when she's looking to help all the elves, rather than pursuing the throne like the other two participants in the arena. If Briala can help the elves after centuries of this oppressive lifestyle, then I think it's worth the effort.

[Hellion Rex]

Celene and Gaspard are participants in the Game, and you could also say their actions haven't been on the straight and narrow, either. It's not like Celene or Gaspard are putting down their claim for the throne because of the veil tears. I don't see why Briala is singled out when she's looking to help all the elves, rather than pursuing the throne like the other two participants in the arena. If Briala can help the elves after centuries of this oppressive lifestyle, then I think it's worth the effort.

Trust me, I do not forget who is waging this war, 2 of the probably most influential and smart people in Thedas. I could care less that Briala is attempting to help the elves, and normally I'd side with her. But it is her stated intention to prolong the bloodshed and fighting that gets me irritated.

[Xilizhra]

Trust me, I do not forget who is waging this war, 2 of the probably most influential and smart people in Thedas. I could care less that Briala is attempting to help the elves, and normally I'd side with her. But it is her stated intention to prolong the bloodshed and fighting that gets me irritated.

Either one of the others could end the bloodshed and dying by surrendering, you know.

[Hellion Rex]

Either one of the others could end the bloodshed and dying by surrendering, you know.

I guarantee that neither are gonna be surrendering any time soon.

[Divine Justinia V]

I guarantee that neither are gonna be surrendering any time soon.

 

oh god no, there's zero chance of that lol

[TheJediSaint]

Maybe they'll both try to surrender at the same time, leading to a war over who get's to surrender.

[Xilizhra]

I guarantee that neither are gonna be surrendering any time soon.

Which would of course be their choice. Is it reasonable to expect more of Briala than of them, then?

[Divine Justinia V]

Maybe they'll both try to surrender at the same time, leading to a war over who get's to surrender.

 

how very Orlesian

[The Elder King]

Xil and Lob's point is, I think, that as Briala is criticized by some (myself included) for hyphotethically prolonging the OCW despite the Veil tears, the same should be done for Gaspard and Celene, that won't stop their armies regardless of the Veil tears.

[Hellion Rex]

Which would of course be their choice. Is it reasonable to expect more of Briala than of them, then?

Touche. You have a point. But Briala also is infinitely more deadly in my opinion, given her control of the network.

[Xilizhra]

Touche. You have a point. But Briala also is infinitely more deadly in my opinion, given her control of the network.

Then wouldn't she logically be the one whose favor it'd be most important to court?