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The Masked Empire and DAI's plot [Spoilers]


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#1251
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My point has nothing whatsoever to do with the veil tears.

I'm not distorting Briala's efforts. I never denied her desire to help the elves. I have only pointed out that in doing so she alone amongst the three explicitly makes it her mission to prolong the suffering of thousands.

 

Her action plan could change if she is able to get what she wants. Gaspard on the other hand wants to take over the world.



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Gaspard is not looking for stability. Remember he wants to attack Ferelden. Celene will do anything to keep her throne. Briala wants to help her people. The two I see that I can help is Briala and Celene. Gaspard is a no go for me.

Gaspard believes that attacking Ferelden will draw Orlais together in a nationalist sentiment. I don't think he's right, if fact I think it would be a disaster, but I do think he desires stability.
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Her action plan could change if she is able to get what she wants. Gaspard on the other hand wants to take over the world.

 

Perhaps, Maybe, Could be.

 

That's what this scenario is.

 

Destabilize Orlais, Collapse an Empire and kill who knows how many on a hope.

 

Does he? He seems set on returning Orlais to the Empire it was, And i didn't know Fereldan or Nevarra were the world.



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I would love to know how Nevarra is reacting to all of this mess. I know they have a ruler issue at the moment, but I'm betting many are happy with this civil war.



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My point has nothing whatsoever to do with the veil tears.
I'm not distorting Briala's efforts. I never denied her desire to help the elves. I have only pointed out that in doing so she alone amongst the three deliberately makes it her mission to prolong the suffering of thousands. Why? To benefit a fraction of that number, the rest be damned.


An entire nation of elven men, women, and children, in the wake of thousands of elves being killed to appease the nobility.

Let's face it: all three of them are playing different roles, but nevertheless are participating in a conflict that is getting people killed. Gaspard and Celene want the throne, Briala wants to help the elves, but while they all think they are right, the battles are raging on because of them all.

Frankly, it's the Inquisitor and the Inquisition who are focused on the veil tears. It's likely the Inquisitor who will play a role in bringing an end to this conflict.
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Perhaps, Maybe, Could be.

 

That's what this scenario is.

 

Destabilize Orlais, Collapse an Empire and kill who knows how many on a hope.

 

Does he? He seems set on returning Orlais to the Empire it was, And i didn't know Fereldan or Nevarra were the world.

 

It is not stable if Ferelden doesn't want to be under Orlais. You seem to think that just because this guy wants it he should have it when all of the people in Ferelden say differently. That would just cause another war. I say no deal.

 

As for Briala she wants to help her people and that does include Dalish at the end of the book. A deal could be worked with a stable Celene and Briala but not with a would be tyrant Gaspard. 


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#1257
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Lob, my parameters aren't narrow. I'm open to anything as long as it gets us closer to strengthening the inquisition. I just don't see how briala can do that/how her contribution is more effective than either of the throne contenders.


We can all go our own way in doing what we think is best with our respective protagonist. I find the treatment of the elves repugnant enough that working with Briala is a plausible option for me, and I think the betterment of the elves is a realistic goal now, given the crisis. So far, there are no better alternatives available, and neither Gaspard nor Celene are committed to changing the status quo on their own.

The Inquisition isn't dependent on Orlais, so I don't see Gaspard or Celene as necessary to "strengthen" the organization. I think it'll be up to the player who to support, and the objectives they want to achieve with this organization.
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My point has nothing whatsoever to do with the veil tears.

I'm not distorting Briala's efforts. I never denied her desire to help the elves. I have only pointed out that in doing so she alone amongst the three deliberately makes it her mission to prolong the suffering of thousands. Why? To benefit a fraction of that number, the rest be damned.

Exactly Gaspard and Celene love them or hate them are actively fighting their war for what they perceive as the benefit for Orlais but they clearly want to end it in their victory as quickly as possible.

 

Briala on the other hand is hiding in the shadows and planning to indefinitely prolong a conflict to benefit her goal callously disregarding the many who will suffer from it.



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I would love to know how Nevarra is reacting to all of this mess. I know they have a ruler issue at the moment, but I'm betting many are happy with this civil war.

Loghain has a seat set up and everything.  :P


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An entire nation of elven men, women, and children, in the wake of thousands of elves being killed to appease the nobility.
Let's face it: all three of them are playing different roles, but nevertheless are participating in a conflict that is getting people killed. Gaspard and Celene want the throne, Briala wants to help the elves, but while they all think they are right, the battles are raging on because of them all.
Frankly, it's the Inquisitor and the Inquisition who are focused on the veil tears. It's likely the Inquisitor who will play a role in bringing an end to this conflict.

I told you, the veil tears aren't part of point at all.

Trying to fit them all broadly under same label, "participating", does not resolve their distinguishing differences. Two of them are trying to end the war, Briala's trying to perpetuate it. THAT is why she's singled out, because most people don't think slaughter excuses slaughter or that throwing the majority of the population to the wolves for a minority of the population is just in any way shape or form.

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The Inquisition isn't dependent on Orlais, so I don't see Gaspard or Celene as necessary to "strengthen" the organization. I think it'll be up to the player who to support, and the objectives they want to achieve with this organization.

Well, the game is placed in Orlais so the Inquisition is dependent on Orlais' good will. That means that like it or not, we'll almost definitely have to support one of those two. 



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Well, the game is placed in Orlais so the Inquisition is dependent on Orlais' good will. That means that like it or not, we'll almost definitely have to support one of those two.


Briala may be another option, or it may be possible to ally Briala and another contender, as Ghost as suggested.

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Loghain has a seat set up and everything.  :P

Nah, too busy dancing the hellfire rumba.



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Briala may be another option, or it may be possible to ally Briala and another contender, as Ghost as suggested.

There is no way Briala will be a candidate for the throne of Orlais. 

 

 

Nah, too busy dancing the hellfire rumba.

Even in the afterlife, he'd enjoy the show.


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Briala may be another option, or it may be possible to ally Briala and another contender, as Ghost as suggested.

It's far more likely you'll have to off her.



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It's far more likely you'll have to off her.

In an eluvian boss battle... :(



#1267
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In an eluvian boss battle... :(

So basically the ending of Thor 2: The Dark World?



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So basically the ending of Thor 2: The Dark World?

Dammit, Hinata! I still haven't seen it yet.



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Dammit, Hinata! I still haven't seen it yet.

Sorry.  :crying:



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Sorry.  :crying:

:angry:



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Dammit, Hinata! I still haven't seen it yet.

...Snape kills Dumbledore! :devil:


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#1272
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There is no way Briala will be a candidate for the throne of Orlais. 


The throne? No. A possible faction to side with? I think it's plausible.

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Well, the game is placed in Orlais so the Inquisition is dependent on Orlais' good will. That means that like it or not, we'll almost definitely have to support one of those two. 

I don't agree. You might be able to work a deal with Celene and Briala and get rid of Gaspard.



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It's far more likely you'll have to off her.


I don't see why that would be likely at all, especially for an elven Inquisitor.
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#1275
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I'm sure we don't have the entire scope of what we are suppose to do. The main goal is save the world. I found this:

 

BioWare mentioned that the main plot will be "saving the world from itself." The plot will involve an all out war between mages and templars, the foundations of which comprise the main plot of Dragon Age II. Along with the larger size of the game map, the player will be able to travel to countries such as Tevinter to calm or encourage the fighting.

 

I find it strange they say encourage the fighting. It doesn't look like we are always trying to keep the peace.


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