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[LobselVith8]

And even if she does, where to after that? Seize a part of Orlais? Both sides would crack down on her.

Or both sides ignore her, like how the civil war in Ferelden ignored the hordes of darkspawn decimating the kingdom and blighting the land until The Warden forced the issue at the Landsmeet.

Attempt to claim the dales? While they're a zombie and demon ridden wasteland where the entire military might of Orlais happens to be situated?

Which leaves the Inquisitor as the most likely candidate to resolve an issue neither army can handle, and leaves them both in a vulnerable position. I would love for an independent Dales to be a pursuable option.

Maybe she can market them as a force to be used in conjunction with celene/gaspard's armies, am bargain for rights that way. Literally this whole arguement is that we don't see briala as helpful(to Orlais, the inquisition, or the elves).

And not everyone shares your opinion about Briala, which is why we are discussing this.

She wants to help, but we see her actions so far(and her purported methods) as making the elves seem antagonistic. Most of us arguing want to see the elves treated better, we just think she's gonna screw the pooch and the backlash will be not worth it.

Action is sometimes necessary to bring about change, which is why some disagree with your view. I know enough about Orlais that I don't see Briala's actions as antagonistic. When there's an opportunity to bring an end to a cycle of violence, rape, and murder against elves, I think it's reasonable to seize the opportunity.

[Heimdall]

Action is sometimes necessary to bring about change, which is why some disagree with your view. I know enough about Orlais that I don't see Briala's actions as antagonistic. When there's an opportunity to bring an end to a cycle of violence, rape, and murder against elves, I think it's reasonable to seize the opportunity.

Right, the rest of us just don't think perpetuating the violence, rape and murder that accompanies war against the Orlesian population is an acceptable means of doing that. Not liking Orlais doesn't make it acceptable.

[LobselVith8]

Doesn't mean we'll be forced to do it or can't make her stand down to help us
 
Your jumping to conclusions and getting defensive over nothing

I disagreed with Mercury's assertion that Briala would most likely be a villain, and that the player would most likely being forced to kill her. I'm entitled to disagree with her.

Right, the rest of us just don't think perpetuating the violence, rape and murder that accompanies war against the Orlesian population is an acceptable means of doing that. Not liking Orlais doesn't make it acceptable.

It isn't a war against the Orlesian population, it's a struggle for freedom from centuries of oppression and subjugation.

[The Elder King]

This is paart of the plot description for DA3 wiki:
 
"BioWare mentioned that the main plot will be "saving the world from itself." The plot will involve an all out war between mages and templars, the foundations of which comprise the main plot of Dragon Age II. Along with the larger size of the game map, the player will be able to travel to countries such as Tevinter to calm or encourage the fighting."
 
We can't say for sure if she will go against the player. The player may calm or encourage the fighting. It looks as if we have more options than just A or B which are both bad. We might just end up having option C. I really would like it if they did.

The part about Tevinter is completely wrong, since we won't go to Tevinter. And the mage-templar war isn't even the main plot of the game.

[The Elder King]

It isn't a war against the Orlesian population, it's a struggle for freedom from centuries of oppression and subjugation.

That depends on how Briala decides to act. We don't know if her plan of prolonging the war will involve killin some Orlesians.

[Heimdall]

It isn't a war against the Orlesian population, it's a struggle for freedom from centuries of oppression and subjugation.

And she's decided the achieve this by perpetuating the violence, rape ad murder of the Orlesian people. Calling it a "struggle for freedom" doesn't blot out Briala's methods.

[AresKeith]

I disagreed with Mercury's assertion that Briala would most likely be a villain, and that the player would most likely being forced to kill her. I'm entitled to disagree with her.

 

I never said you wasn't entitled too, I only said that your jumping to conclusions and getting defensive over nothing

[LobselVith8]

And she's decided the achieve this by perpetuating the violence, rape ad murder of the Orlesian people. Calling it a "struggle for freedom" doesn't blot out Briala's methods.

Freeing the elves doesn't mandate violence, rape, and murder, which are the aspects of the status quo that elves have had to endure for centuries.

[Heimdall]

Freeing the elves doesn't mandate violence, rape, and murder, which are the aspects of the status quo that elves have had to endure for centuries.

I didn't say it was. I said that's what Briala has chosen to perpetuate by deliberately prolonging this civil war.

[LobselVith8]

I never said you wasn't entitled too, I only said that your jumping to conclusions and getting defensive over nothing

I disagreed with something that someone said, as I've pointed out several times already. It has nothing to do with "jumping to conclusions", but disagreement over what was explicitly stated by another poster. You seem to be vainly trying to twist the situation into something else.

[Cobra's_back]

The part about Tevinter is completely wrong, since we won't go to Tevinter. And the mage-templar war isn't even the main plot of the game.

 

Thanks,

 

I just picked off Wiki and they must have it wrong.

[Cobra's_back]

And she's decided the achieve this by perpetuating the violence, rape ad murder of the Orlesian people. Calling it a "struggle for freedom" doesn't blot out Briala's methods.

 

Does that sound like her character??? I didn't read her that way. She didn't seem a Branka or a Java and there really isn't a reason to support that type of behavior.

[LobselVith8]

Thanks,
 
I just picked off Wiki and they must have it wrong.

I remember it was information that was released early on, years ago, but the developers have said the Inquisitor is the "deciding factor" in the struggle between mages and templars, so it will likely play some role.

[Cobra's_back]

I didn't say it was. I said that's what Briala has chosen to perpetuate by deliberately prolonging this civil war.

 

She would not be responsible for the rape. Loghain was not responsible for his mother's rape and murder. The Orlesian soldiers were responsible. The people that fight for their freedom should not be held accountable for the evil actions of the Orlesians. If she is offered what she is looking for it will end.

[The Elder King]

I remember it was information that was released early on, years ago, but the developers have said the Inquisitor is the "deciding factor" in the struggle between mages and templars, so it will likely play some role.

I recall that they said that the Inquisitor has to find 'a balance' between mages and templars, at PAX prime, not that we'd be the deciding factor. Do you recall when they say it?
About Tevinter, I don't remember if the devs actually stated it, or if some journalists mixed some news (there were rumours of Tevitner being a location after all).

[The Hierophant]

Hopefully by DAI's start Briala succeeds in her goal of prolonging the war before the Inquisitor arrives to settle it. If she manages to survive the veil tear and attempts to follow through with her plan it's possible she might be an antagonist for non elf affiliated players.

[Heimdall]

Does that sound like her character??? I didn't read her that way. She didn't seem a Branka or a Java and there really isn't a reason to support that type of behavior.

Sound like her character? I'm just telling you the consequences of her actions if she truly wants to prolong this civil war. The longer the war goes on, the more people will suffer, the more villages and cities are pillaged, the more citizen's are killed and raped by attacking armies.

[The Hierophant]

She would not be responsible for the rape. Loghain was not responsible for his mother's rape and murder. The Orlesian soldiers were responsible. The people that fight for their freedom should not be held accountable for the evil actions of the Orlesians. If she is offered what she is looking for it will end.

Aesir beat me to it.

[Heimdall]

She would not be responsible for the rape. Loghain was not responsible for his mother's rape and murder. The Orlesian soldiers were responsible. The people that fight for their freedom should not be held accountable for the evil actions of the Orlesians. If she is offered what she is looking for it will end.

Loghain fought to end that sort of behavior. She's made it her business to prolong their suffering. It's not the same thing. She is partly accountable for that suffering.

[LobselVith8]

I recall that they said that the Inquisitor has to find 'a balance' between mages and templars, at PAX prime, not that we'd be the deciding factor. Do you recall when they say it?
About Tevinter, I don't remember if the devs actually stated it, or if some journalists mixed some news (there were rumours of Tevitner being a location after all).

They specifically said "deciding factor", and Lady Insanity used the same phrase in her Introduction to Inquisition blog. At PAX, it was said the player will "make tough, personal decisions," including how the player leads "the Inquisition, a powerful organization that's the deciding factor in the balance between the mages and the templars, in the fate of nations (leading to a geographical picture showing Orlais and the Dales predominantly), and these decisions will strengthen you and your Inquisition in different ways."

[The Elder King]

They specifically said "deciding factor", and Lady Insanity used the same phrase in her Introduction to Inquisition blog. At PAX, it was said the player will "make tough, personal decisions," including how the player leads "the Inquisition, a powerful organization that's the deciding factor in the balance between the mages and the templars, in the fate of nations (leading to a geographical picture showing Orlais and the Dales predominantly), and these decisions will strengthen you and your Inquisition in different ways."

Is this about the recent PAX? I was quoting the PAX demo.
Thanks for the info, I might've missed it .

[Cobra's_back]

Sound like her character? I'm just telling you the consequences of her actions if she truly wants to prolong this civil war. The longer the war goes on, the more people will suffer, the more villages and cities are pillaged, the more citizen's are killed and raped by attacking armies.

Thanks. This is probably why the Orlesians used this same tactics on the people of Ferelden. Of course we know it only made the people more angry. The rebels were small in number at first but as the Orlesian's violence grew the number of people signing up expanded significantly. I don't know yet if they are going to make her a great leader. I'm hoping the will.

[LobselVith8]

Sound like her character? I'm just telling you the consequences of her actions if she truly wants to prolong this civil war. The longer the war goes on, the more people will suffer, the more villages and cities are pillaged, the more citizen's are killed and raped by attacking armies.

There's the possible consequence of the elves being free because of Briala's actions, and future generations never having to suffer like their progenitors have for centuries.

Loghain fought to end that sort of behavior. She's made it her business to prolong their suffering. It's not the same thing. She is partly accountable for that suffering.

Briala is fighting to end that kind of behavior, by emancipating the elves to end their suffering under this tyranny.

[Heimdall]

Thanks. This is probably why the Orlesians used this same tactics on the people of Ferelden. Of course we know it only made the people more angry. The rebels were small in number at first but as the Orlesian's violence grew the number of people signing up expanded significantly. I don't know yet if they are going to make her a great leader. I'm hoping the will.

You do realize that such actions are common features of any medieval war, right? And this is a civil war, Orlesians are both the aggressors and the victims. We don't even know if Briala is planning an armed uprising or what sort of freedom she plans for the elves. What we do know is that she intends for the Orlesian civil war to continue as long as possible.

[LobselVith8]

Is this about the recent PAX? I was quoting the PAX demo.
Thanks for the info, I might've missed it .

No, I believe it was the one that showed the Crestwood preview from seven months ago.

I get the impression the developers want to leave it up to the player how to respond to it. In the game informer video, Darrah said, "This is very important to me. We're not... forcing you to any sort of stance in terms of what you think about mages, what you think about templars, what you think about the role of magic in Dragon Age. That's going to be left to the player to decide."