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[The Elder King]

No, I believe it was the one that showed the Crestwood preview from seven months ago.
I get the impression the developers want to leave it up to the player how to respond to it. In the game informer video, Darrah said, "This is very important to me. We're not... forcing you to any sort of stance in terms of what you think about mages, what you think about Templars, what you think about the role of magic in Dragon Age. That's going to be left to the player to decide."

I know about that (their opinion of giving freedom in choosing a stance). I just think that saying that the Inquisitor is the deciding factor i the mage-templar war seems differnr form saying that he has to find a balance between them. Though I'll stop for now since we might go off-topic.

[Heimdall]

There's the possible consequence of the elves being free because of Briala's actions, and future generations never having to suffer like their progenitors have for centuries.


Briala is fighting to end that kind of behavior, by emancipating the elves to end their suffering under this tyranny.

I'm not sure why I keep having to explain this to you Lob, but I understand what Briala's goal is and I don't have a problem with it. Also, possible outcomes are immaterial to my point. I have a problem with her willingness to submit the Orlesian people to such depravity and suffering, more I have a problem with her willingness to prolong it. She should understand the suffering brought by such behavior as her own people are subjected to it, and that she doesn't hesitate to perpetuate it upon others doesn't buy her any sympathy from me.

[Cobra's_back]

You do realize that such actions are common features of any medieval war, right? And this is a civil war, Orlesians are both the aggressors and the victims. We don't even know if Briala is planning an armed uprising or what sort of freedom she plans for the elves. What we do know is that she intends for the Orlesian civil war to continue as long as possible.

 

Yes i do realize that, and that doesn't stop people from having a revolution does it? 

 

"What we do know is that she intends for the Orlesian civil war to continue as long as possible."

 

One sentence doesn't make a real plan does it. I don't expect this is everything she has planned. It wouldn't make sense.

 

Edit: Personally, I thought the writer put this in to make her look clever. The writer didn't give us any details on how any of the three plan to win this war.

[LobselVith8]

I know about that (their opinion of giving freedom in choosing a stance). I just think that saying that the Inquisitor is the deciding factor i the mage-templar war seems differnr form saying that he has to find a balance between them. Though I'll stop for now since we might go off-topic.

I imagine the player will have options to take sides, rather than being forced into compromise between the two. The player is the one molding the Inquisition, rather than being told what needs to be done. Laidlaw said: "We’ve always wanted to ask the question, ‘what if you could found the Jedi Order instead of becoming a Jedi?’," followed by Gaider saying, "If going to start something, what would it be? What would you make that you would want to be a part of?"

I think the player will meet with the different factions of mages and templars. Gaider said, "I think a big part of Dragon Age II was letting the player see the people who thought that things were bad by these extremists. And now in Dragon Age: Inquisition we want to show the player the people who feel that they’re right. That they’re on the side of good, not from the side of, ‘I am an extremist who has this view that might be hard to understand,’ [but] more, ‘This is why my position is morally correct’."

I think it's unlikely that the dilemma with the mages or the elves will have a narrow trajectory in how the player can handle it.

[Heimdall]

Yes i do realize that, and that doesn't stop people from having a revolution does it? 
 
"What we do know is that she intends for the Orlesian civil war to continue as long as possible."
 
One sentence doesn't make a real plan does it. I don't expect this is everything she has planned. It wouldn't make sense.
 
Edit: Personally, I thought the writer put this in to make her look clever. The writer didn't give us any details on how any of the three plan to win this war.

My point was that we don't know such a revolution is even taking place. I just don't see this situation as being comparable to Ferelden's in any way.

[Cobra's_back]

I imagine the player will have options to take sides, rather than being forced into compromise between the two. The player is the one molding the Inquisition, rather than being told what needs to be done. Laidlaw said: "We’ve always wanted to ask the question, ‘what if you could found the Jedi Order instead of becoming a Jedi?’," followed by Gaider saying, "If going to start something, what would it be? What would you make that you would want to be a part of?"

I think the player will meet with the different factions of mages and templars. Gaider said, "I think a big part of Dragon Age II was letting the player see the people who thought that things were bad by these extremists. And now in Dragon Age: Inquisition we want to show the player the people who feel that they’re right. That they’re on the side of good, not from the side of, ‘I am an extremist who has this view that might be hard to understand,’ [but] more, ‘This is why my position is morally correct’."

I think it's unlikely that the dilemma with the mages or the elves will have a narrow trajectory in how the player can handle it.

 

 

This is the game I want to play.   

 

I don't need a game with option A or B and they both stink.   

[Shadow Fox]

I'm not sure why I keep having to explain this to you Lob, but I understand what Briala's goal is and I don't have a problem with it. Also, possible outcomes are immaterial to my point. I have a problem with her willingness to submit the Orlesian people to such depravity and suffering, more I have a problem with her willingness to prolong it. She should understand the suffering brought by such behavior as her own people are subjected to it, and that she doesn't hesitate to perpetuate it upon others doesn't buy her any sympathy from me.

*high fives*

[Cobra's_back]

My point was that we don't know such a revolution is even taking place. I just don't see this situation as being comparable to Ferelden's in any way.

 

" I just don't see this situation as being comparable to Ferelden's in any way."  Fighting for your freedom and the removal of the oppressor.

 

There isn't enough information to define what they want to do exactly. If this is about an elven leader who takes back part of her home land with all the clans supporting her then I'm in.

 

 

If this is just keep the civil war going on forever, then I would have to wonder why I'm even playing this game. It would be silly if that is all the person was planning. 

 

I would like to think the Dev is smarter than that.

[The Elder King]

I imagine the player will have options to take sides, rather than being forced into compromise between the two. The player is the one molding the Inquisition, rather than being told what needs to be done. Laidlaw said: "We’ve always wanted to ask the question, ‘what if you could found the Jedi Order instead of becoming a Jedi?’," followed by Gaider saying, "If going to start something, what would it be? What would you make that you would want to be a part of?"
I think the player will meet with the different factions of mages and templars. Gaider said, "I think a big part of Dragon Age II was letting the player see the people who thought that things were bad by these extremists. And now in Dragon Age: Inquisition we want to show the player the people who feel that they’re right. That they’re on the side of good, not from the side of, ‘I am an extremist who has this view that might be hard to understand,’ [but] more, ‘This is why my position is morally correct’."
I think it's unlikely that the dilemma with the mages or the elves will have a narrow trajectory in how the player can handle it.

I agree with that, though I hope an option for compromise is possible for those who want to pursue it.

[Heimdall]

" I just don't see this situation as being comparable to Ferelden's in any way." Fighting for your freedom and the removal of the oppressor.

...That is such a vast oversimplification that it removes any meaningful comparison. Even that resemblance is predicated on the assumption that armed rebellion is in Briala's plan. I don't doubt she plans for something more, but as yet we don't know what that is.

[AresKeith]

" I just don't see this situation as being comparable to Ferelden's in any way."  Fighting for your freedom and the removal of the oppressor.

 

There isn't enough information to define what they want to do exactly. If this is about an elven leader who takes back part of her home land with all the clans supporting her then I'm in.

 

 

If this is just keep the civil war going on forever, then I would have to wonder why I'm even playing this game. It would be silly if that is all the person was planning. 

 

I would like to think the Dev is smarter than that.

 

It's obvious that Briala is planning more than just keeping the civil war going on, but as it stands at the moment we need to stop the Civil War and Briala's actions are standing in the way

[The Hierophant]

It's obvious that Briala is planning more than just keeping the civil war going on, but as it stands at the moment we need to stop the Civil War and Briala's actions are standing in the way

People forget that there's probably an army of demons who the Inquisition might have to combat.

[efd731]

Guys, either lob is being intentionally dense or has crossed the line from defense to trolling. We've stated many times individually that elf rights and other associated problems isn't the point of the arguement and been ignored. However, since that bein understood would leave this thread at a loss for content....."RABBLERABBLERABBLE"

[LobselVith8]

...That is such a vast oversimplification that it removes any meaningful comparison. Even that resemblance is predicated on the assumption that armed rebellion is in Briala's plan. I don't doubt she plans for something more, but as yet we don't know what that is.

Ghost is addressing the common link about freeing people from an unjust Orlesian system. It's not an oversimplification, it's an apt comparison about helping people against overwhelming Orlesian odds, but not an exact one.

It's obvious that Briala is planning more than just keeping the civil war going on, but as it stands at the moment we need to stop the Civil War and Briala's actions are standing in the way

No developer has said we have to stop the Orlesian civil war, and no developer has said our choices are limited to Celene or Gaspard.

[Hellion Rex]

People forget that there's probably an army of demons who the Inquisition might have to combat.

True, and it's gonna take more than the help of some disorganized City elves to put those demons down, on top of figuring out how to seal the rift.

[LobselVith8]

Guys, either lob is being intentionally dense or has crossed the line from defense to trolling.

I think trolling involves a lack of civility and personal attacks, which you seem to have a habit of engaging in.

We've stated many times individually that elf rights and other associated problems isn't the point of the arguement and been ignored. However, since that bein understood would leave this thread at a loss for content....."RABBLERABBLERABBLE"

No, I've addressed different issues, from Mercury's idea that Briala will be a likely villain who we will have to likely kill, to my suggestion that Celene and Gaspard may not be mandatory or the only options.

[Cobra's_back]

It's obvious that Briala is planning more than just keeping the civil war going on, but as it stands at the moment we need to stop the Civil War and Briala's actions are standing in the way

 

We haven't even seen the game yet. I don't know if she is going to be on my way or not. I'm going to wait to see if they wrote her as an intelligent leader with a real plan or she is just another crazy person in my way. 

 

"but as it stands at the moment we need to stop the Civil War and Briala's actions are standing in the way" She hasn't even done anything yet. It is just one sentence in a book. I'm sure if she doesn't lose her marbles like everyone in DA 2 did you can actually talk to her.

[LobselVith8]

True, and it's gonna take more than the help of some disorganized City elves to put those demons down, on top of figuring out how to seal the rift.

Yes, it's going to take the Inquisition.

[AresKeith]

We haven't even seen the game yet. I don't know if she is going to be on my way or not. I'm going to wait to see if they wrote her as an intelligent leader with a real plan or she is just another crazy person in my way. 

 

Her being an intelligent leader or crazy means nothing that's she is still partly responsible for the OCW still going on 

 

"but as it stands at the moment we need to stop the Civil War and Briala's actions are standing in the way" She hasn't even done anything yet. It is just one sentence in a book. I'm sure if she doesn't lose her marbles like everyone in DA 2 did you can actually talk to her.

 

I'm not saying that we won't be able to talk to her, I'd actually like that option and possibly make her stand down as I find her very useful in helping the Inquisition 

[The Hierophant]

True, and it's gonna take more than the help of some disorganized City elves to put those demons down, on top of figuring out how to seal the rift.

If the Dalish are allied with the CE then i could see them as a viable faction. I hope the CE could be helped without going along with Briala's (if she's alive) plan of prolonging the war, because it'll possibly mean there's less manpower/resources to fight DAI's big bad.

[AresKeith]

If the Dalish are allied with the CE then i could see them as a viable faction. I hope the CE could be helped without going along with Briala's (if she's alive) plan of prolonging the war, because it'll possibly mean there's less manpower/resources to fight DAI's big bad.

 

big bad(s) 

[TheJediSaint]

Murdered parents, subterranean lair, often wears a mask, has pointy ears... Oh my God!  Briala's Batman!

[efd731]

I think trolling involves a lack of civility and personal attacks, which you seem to have a habit of engaging in.


No, I've addressed different issues, from Mercury's idea that Briala will be a likely villain who we will have to likely kill, to my suggestion that Celene and Gaspard may not be mandatory or the only options.

I apologize if you feel I've attacked you, but some of your responses don't quite match up the the posts before them.(what personal attacks?) and since they're putting so much emphasis on choice and optional content I wouldn't be surprised if you could choose to not deal with gaspard/celene. But that's not what "our side" is on about. We just think (generally) that celene/gaspard have much more to offer than briala, and don't see how what she can offer equals what they can offer. Plus since all we know of her plans is her intention to draw out a civil war, that means she is in opposition to us getting order in place and dealing with demon spawning hell holes. Siding with her could/should be an option, it is apparently just a rather poor choice(IMO)

[Cobra's_back]

If the Dalish are allied with the CE then i could see them as a viable faction. I hope the CE could be helped without going along with Briala's (if she's alive) plan of prolonging the war, because it'll possibly mean there's less manpower/resources to fight DAI's big bad.

 

Dalish are allied with the CE a viable faction. I agree

 

"plan of prolonging the war" Not a real plan. This is just a sentence. I can't believe this is all she has. That puts her in the not to smart category. 

 

EDIT: Big IF: She and all the clans get together and take back their homeland. War ends.

[AresKeith]

I apologize if you feel I've attacked you, but some of your responses don't quite match up the the posts before them.(what personal attacks?) and since they're putting so much emphasis on choice and optional content I wouldn't be surprised if you could choose to not deal with gaspard/celene. But that's not what "our side" is on about. We just think (generally) that celene/gaspard have much more to offer than briala, and don't see how what she can offer equals what they can offer. Plus since all we know of her plans is her intention to draw out a civil war, that means she is in opposition to us getting order in place and dealing with demon spawning hell holes. Siding with her could/should be an option, it is apparently just a rather poor choice(IMO)

 

Honestly I feel she might be a secondary option along with you dealing with Celene/Gaspard