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[Divine Justinia V]

As I've said before, if there's a way to help her cause without causing more damage and further harm to anyone, be it Elves or Humans, I'm all for it. I see her a watered down Adrian, and I sincerely mean that in the nicest way possible. Her cause is just but her methods are questionable.

[The Hierophant]

Dalish are allied with the CE a viable faction. I agree

"plan of prolonging the war" Not a real plan. This is just a sentence. I can't believe this is all she has. That puts her in the not to smart category.

It's only a means to achieve her true objective, which is the betterment of the CE. It's unclear if her endgame is an armed uprising or mass withdrawal while the Orlesian ruling body is distracted.

*Mind you there's a possibility she changed her goal of prolonging the war after the veil tear. I doubt she'd be that stupid when there's a probable army of demons running around. Although this is only possible if she's alive or has a cameo.*

[AresKeith]

As I've said before, if there's a way to help her cause without causing more damage and further harm to anyone, be it Elves or Humans, I'm all for it. I see her a watered down Adrian, and I sincerely mean that in the nicest way possible. Her cause is just but her methods are questionable.

 

You insult Briala   

[efd731]

Dalish are allied with the CE a viable faction. I agree

"plan of prolonging the war" Not a real plan. This is just a sentence. I can't believe this is all she has. That puts her in the not to smart category.

I agree with your last sentence, but it's all we have to go on for now. Doubt she'll be one dimensional, but the whole elves first bit is fairly prominent

[Divine Justinia V]

You insult Briala   

 

Lmfao, I know but you know what I mean. Don't be schmuck  

[LobselVith8]

I apologize if you feel I've attacked you, but some of your responses don't quite match up the the posts before them.(what personal attacks?) and since they're putting so much emphasis on choice and optional content I wouldn't be surprised if you could choose to not deal with gaspard/celene.

That may be because you seem to be addressing something different than the others. I'm not looking to persuade anyone to change their mind about how how they want to play Inquisition; I was pointing out that all three are engaged in a conflict, then I disagreed with Mercury's suggestion that Briala would likely be a villain the player would have to kill. If the Orlesian conflict is optional like the Highlands, all the better in leaving the choice in player hands.

But that's not what "our side" is on about. We just think (generally) that celene/gaspard have much more to offer than briala, and don't see how what she can offer equals what they can offer. Plus since all we know of her plans is her intention to draw out a civil war, that means she is in opposition to us getting order in place and dealing with demon spawning hell holes. Siding with her could/should be an option, it is apparently just a rather poor choice(IMO)

My contention is when it goes from how a person wants to play their Inquisitor to when it's suggested their preference will be the only method, like with the earlier suggestions of Briala likely being a villain.

[The Hierophant]

Honestly I feel she might be a secondary option along with you dealing with Celene/Gaspard

If she appears i wonder if she could be temporarily convinced to work with Celene (highly unlikely) or Gaspard?

[AresKeith]

Lmfao, I know but you know what I mean. Don't be schmuck

 

Na, rude to Briala

[Heimdall]

As I've said before, if there's a way to help her cause without causing more damage and further harm to anyone, be it Elves or Humans, I'm all for it. I see her a watered down Adrian, and I sincerely mean that in the nicest way possible. Her cause is just but her methods are questionable.

Not even I would put Briala in the same category as that vile ******.

...Sorry, I really despise that hellion.

[Divine Justinia V]

Na, rude to Briala

 

girl, bye

 

 

My contention is when it goes from how a person wants to play their Inquisitor to when it's suggested their preference will be the only method, like with the earlier suggestions of Briala likely being a villain.

 

I understand what you're saying, but Briala doesn't strike me as the villainous kind either.

[Divine Justinia V]

Not even I would put Briala in the same category as that vile ******.

...Sorry, I really despise that hellion.

 

LOL I know! I just meant the cause is right, the methods are off.

[Heimdall]

Ghost is addressing the common link about freeing people from an unjust Orlesian system. It's not an oversimplification, it's an apt comparison about helping people against overwhelming Orlesian odds, but not an exact one.

A nationalist revolution of a relatively recently conquered people vs. an underclass racial uprising(Which may or may not exist) is neither an apt nor a useful comparison just because the opposition is Orlesian.

[AresKeith]

I understand what you're saying, but Briala doesn't strike me as the villainous kind either.

 

Well being in the opposition doesn't automatically translate to villain

[LobselVith8]

A nationalist revolution of a relatively recently conquered people vs. an underclass racial uprising(Which may or may not exist) is neither an apt nor a useful comparison just because the opposition is Orlesian.

Both are examples of a group of people rising up to free themselves from the Orlesian Empire, albeit in different ways. I also said the comparison wasn't exact (and nothing Ghost said suggested otherwise), but rather that there were similarities.

[TheJediSaint]

Well being in the opposition doesn't automatically translate to villain

 

I believe antagonist is the word. 

[Heimdall]

LOL I know! I just meant the cause is right, the methods are off.

Oh, I agree with that.

A lot of players of Dragon Age are pretty free with how much they would like to tear down institutions and murder certain individuals, but I've always been quite restrained. Adrian's the first character in the series to fill me with such a visceral desire to break out ye olde murder knife.

[Heimdall]

Both are examples of a group of people rising up to free themselves from the Orlesian Empire, albeit in different ways. I also said the comparison wasn't exact (and nothing Ghost said suggested otherwise), but rather that there were similarities.

Yes, similarities so vague that they are meaningless.

[leaguer of one]

Sound like her character? I'm just telling you the consequences of her actions if she truly wants to prolong this civil war. The longer the war goes on, the more people will suffer, the more villages and cities are pillaged, the more citizen's are killed and raped by attacking armies.

And What of her people in the long run? The actions in the civil war is not her fault. If someone shoots and kills some one do you blame the shooter or the people who did not stop the shooter. The shooter would of found a way. Briala knows for a fact that her people are pawn in the game for the nobility. Her submitting to a side would just strengthen that. Who should she do that? If you point is to say to save lives then you're missing the point here thats the fault of the nobility, not hers.

[Divine Justinia V]

Well being in the opposition doesn't automatically translate to villain

 

Was Briala possibly "being a villain" not the discussion at hand, or..?

 

Oh, I agree with that.

A lot of players of Dragon Age are pretty free with how much they would like to tear down institutions and murder certain individuals, but I've always been quite restrained. Adrian's the first character in the series to fill me with such a visceral desire to break out ye olde murder knife.

 

Lmfao me too, oh me too.

[AresKeith]

Was Briala possibly "being a villain" not the discussion at hand, or..?

 

It sorta is, but that's what we've been trying to explain to Lob

[LobselVith8]

Well being in the opposition doesn't automatically translate to villain

Except Mercury said she thought it was likely Briala would be a villain, and that the player would have to kill her.

I'm just saying it's likely.
 
That said my Inquisitor will definitly consider her a villain albeit a  well intentioned one

I'm not seeing why this is even contested; Mercury only emphasized that she thought it was "likely".

[Hellion Rex]

Oh, I agree with that.

A lot of players of Dragon Age are pretty free with how much they would like to tear down institutions and murder certain individuals, but I've always been quite restrained. Adrian's the first character in the series to fill me with such a visceral desire to break out ye olde murder knife.

She is mine, and mine alone to kill.

[leaguer of one]

LOL I know! I just meant the cause is right, the methods are off.

I don't see how the methods are off. What the best way to apply change, having the power to make sure it happens or bowing and scraping hoping by the good wills of others it happens?

[Hellion Rex]

I don't see how the methods are off. What the best way to apply change, having the power to make sure it happens or bowing and scraping hoping by the good wills of others it happens?

Better than trying to outright force it through violence like Briala is attempting to do.

[Heimdall]

And What of her people in the long run? The actions in the civil war is not her fault. If someone shoots and kills some one do you blame the shooter or the people who did not stop the shooter. The shooter would of found a way. Briala knows for a fact that her people are pawn in the game for the nobility. Her submitting to a side would just strengthen that. Who should she do that? If you point is to say to save lives then you're missing the point here thats the fault of the nobility, not hers.

If someone could stop the shooter and instead gave him a better bow, I would say that person bears part of burden of guilt. Briala isn't just standing by and letting the civil war happen, she's actively working to perpetuate the violence. That, I find that unconscionable.