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[Banxey]

I'm in the "I'm not sure Felassan was really Dalish" camp, as others have mentioned. But his whole purpose was to manipulate Briala to get her to the point where she activated the Eluvians. And as such, appearing to a frightened girl whose parents had just been murdered as one of the mystical Dalish (who city elves see as saviors) would have served him fairly well in gaining her trust quickly.

 

The fact that he was off in the forest "dreaming" while Briala killed Lady Mantillon suggested to me that he may have manipulated quite a few situations. As the name he chose means "Slow Arrow" it seemed to me that he was more of a tool of Fen'Harel (or something similar) than Fen'Harel himself. But as an agent of something more sinister, I'm glad he seemingly had a change of heart. He was actually a bit like Ishmael in that it seemed important to him that Briala made certain choices herself.

 

I also found it telling that Ishmael kept insisting he was a spirit. And I think that we will see a lot more variety in extremes between traditional all good/bad demons/spirits in DAI.

[Banxey]

Or the others elves laughter at her...

 

When Andraste came to liberate the elves from Tevinter, they fought the magisters with junk. Briala just needs to find her Shartan. Perhaps Solas.

[LobselVith8]

Or the others elves laughter at her...

That would make for an awkward ending to Briala's story.

[Hellion Rex]

That would make for an awkward ending to Briala's story.

A tad bit lol

[LobselVith8]

When Andraste came to liberate the elves from Tevinter, they fought the magisters with junk. Briala just needs to find her Shartan. Perhaps Solas.

Shartan seemed to join Andraste after they freed themselves (with the aid of an elf whose name is lost to history), but I get what you mean. It could help to have persuasive people at her side, fighting for the common goal of helping all the elves.

[Hellion Rex]

Shartan seemed to join Andraste after they freed themselves (with the aid of an elf whose name is lost to history), but I get what you mean. It could help to have persuasive people at her side, fighting for the common goal of helping all the elves.

I'm wondering if we are gonna meet Sera through Briala.

[AresKeith]

I'm wondering if we are gonna meet Sera through Briala.

 

That's one what to do it, since I think Sera might be a City Elf

[LobselVith8]

I'm wondering if we are gonna meet Sera through Briala.

I've wondered the same, since TME seems to have caused a potential ripple effect among the elves of Orlais, with the massacre and the death of a clan, and Briala heading to the capital. The other theory I've read is that she's a leader, perhaps of the Thieves Guild (I'm guessing from the survey that noted her network of rogues).

[Dean_the_Young]

Well, awkward revolutionaries are a real thing. For all that Briala is gung-ho about helping the City Elves, at this point she isn't much more than a sugar mommy with a mesiah complex: her Eluvians might be too valuable to refuse, but she doesn't have much in the way of commonality with the city elves. She's kind of like the Thedasian equivalent of a bourgeoisie communist revolutionary- fighting in the name of the class identity, without actually having been a part of it.

 

It wouldn't be at all out of place if Briala were neither as respected or influential with the city elves as she would like to be.

 

(Which could actually be a good theme for DAI: a deconstruction of heroic revolutionaries and noble rebellions, in a similar sense that DA2 deconstructed the idea/trope of the RPG third way ideal by making a theme of irreconcilable differences.)

[Hellion Rex]

I've wondered the same, since TME seems to have caused a potential ripple effect among the elves of Orlais, with the massacre and the death of a clan, and Briala heading to the capital. The other theory I've read is that she's a leader, perhaps of the Thieves Guild (I'm guessing from the survey that noted her network of rogues).

That sounds like a good place for Briala to hit up to make allies. Hell, she probably knows Sera already, since it seems like Bri has her own network out within the cities of Orlais.

[Banxey]

Shartan seemed to join Andraste after they freed themselves (with the aid of an elf whose name is lost to history), but I get what you mean. It could help to have persuasive people at her side, fighting for the common goal of helping all the elves.

 

Oh OK. I didn't know they'd freed themselves, thanks. I thought they'd just prepared and were waiting for an opportunity. But yeah, I feel like Briala could use an ally who actually is a city elf as they might not see her as one of them and were a bit hostile towards her in TME.

[MisterJB]

I wonder just why would any non-pro-elf Inquisitor would ever feel the need to side with the elves. Their one power is the Eluvians and if Briala does something so:

"Inquisitor, I am capable of providing you with an instantaneous means of transportation. However, you must aid my people because I am the only one who knows the password."

 

Why wouldn't I just do something so:

 

"Seize her. Torture her until she gives up the password. If it doesn't work use blood magic."

[Xilizhra]

Well, awkward revolutionaries are a real thing. For all that Briala is gung-ho about helping the City Elves, at this point she isn't much more than a sugar mommy with a mesiah complex: her Eluvians might be too valuable to refuse, but she doesn't have much in the way of commonality with the city elves. She's kind of like the Thedasian equivalent of a bourgeoisie communist revolutionary- fighting in the name of the class identity, without actually having been a part of it.

 

It wouldn't be at all out of place if Briala were neither as respected or influential with the city elves as she would like to be.

 

(Which could actually be a good theme for DAI: a deconstruction of heroic revolutionaries and noble rebellions, in a similar sense that DA2 deconstructed the idea/trope of the RPG third way ideal by making a theme of irreconcilable differences.)

It's possible, but I don't think it would be nearly as good if the deconstruction wasn't followed by a reconstruction. The concept is far from lacking in merit, after all.

[Hellion Rex]

I wonder just why would any non-pro-elf Inquisitor would ever feel the need to side with the elves. Their one power is the Eluvians and if Briala does something so:

"Inquisitor, I am capable of providing you with an instantaneous means of transportation. However, you must aid my people because I am the only one who knows the password."

 

Why would I just do something so:

 

"Seize her. Torture her until she gives up the password. If it doesn't work use blood magic."

Oooo, JB. Using BM? I approve.

[Xilizhra]

One thing gives me continued hope: we've never been forced in any piece of DA material to work against the freedom or welfare of elvenkind, nor have we ever been forced to do so for mages. I expect this trend to continue.

[Steelcan]

One thing gives me continued hope: we've never been forced in any piece of DA material to work against the freedom or welfare of elvenkind, nor have we ever been forced to do so for mages. I expect this trend to continue.

And the two attempts to give them proper recognition, ie the boons, have been retconned

[Hellion Rex]

One thing gives me continued hope: we've never been forced in any piece of DA material to work against the freedom or welfare of elvenkind, nor have we ever been forced to do so for mages. I expect this trend to continue.

Well, in that aspect, they always give you a choice. Perhaps not always presented in the best way, but always a choice.

[MisterJB]

And the two attempts to give them proper recognition, ie the boons, have been retconned

Yeah, we don't need to screw either of those groups, the game will do it for us.

 

"I want the mages to be free.

No.

Ok."

 

"I want the elves to have a bann.

Stoned to death or run away or assassinated."

[Banxey]

I wonder just why would any non-pro-elf Inquisitor would ever feel the need to side with the elves. Their one power is the Eluvians and if Briala does something so:

"Inquisitor, I am capable of providing you with an instantaneous means of transportation. However, you must aid my people because I am the only one who knows the password."

 

Why wouldn't I just do something so:

 

"Seize her. Torture her until she gives up the password. If it doesn't work use blood magic."

 

This is dependent on your Inquisitor knowing that a password exists, that Briala is the only one who has it, and that she is stupid enough to push for a deal with the inquisition without finding out as much about the Inquisitor as possible. 

 

She is a bard after all.

[Xilizhra]

And the two attempts to give them proper recognition, ie the boons, have been retconned

No they weren't. The Dalish boon is brought up in DA2 and just had some random problems appear, and the city elf boon was never relevant at all to DA2.

 

 

Yeah, we don't need to screw either of those groups, the game will do it for us.

 

"I want the mages to be free.

No.

Ok."

 

"I want the elves to have a bann.

Stoned to death or run away or assassinated."

Wrongo. The Warden bann survives and prospers.

[Steelcan]

Then if the Dalsih boon wasn't retconned there is nor reason to make elven sovereignty a central issue, they have land they can use

[Xilizhra]

Then if the Dalsih boon wasn't retconned there is nor reason to make elven sovereignty a central issue, they have land they can use

And indeed, the plot in the Dales does not seem to be related directly to the Dalish.

[LobselVith8]

Then if the Dalsih boon wasn't retconned there is nor reason to make elven sovereignty a central issue, they have land they can use

For players who went through the Fifth Blight with a Warden who wasn't Dalish.

[In Exile]

Then if the Dalsih boon wasn't retconned there is nor reason to make elven sovereignty a central issue, they have land they can use

What the Dalish got in Ferelden barely counts as land. And even if the dalish had an outright utopia in Ferelden that doesn't mean anything for the CEs plight in Orlais.

And on that note I'm still disapointed we're forced to be Dalish if we want to play an elf in DAI.