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[Divine Justinia V]

I don't know, if they provide a good solution to the greater matter at hand, I'd rather use it. The tear provides a bigger thread, imo.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't know, if they provide a good solution to the greater matter at hand, I'd rather use it. The tear provides a bigger thread, imo.

Thus I said "unless they are essential to closing the Veil Tears".

[Divine Justinia V]

Thus I said "unless they are essential to closing the Veil Tears".

I didn't even see your post until after I wrote that, soooooooooooooooooooo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[leaguer of one]

Personally, yes. The harm they've caused so far outweighs any good they can possibly provide unless they are essential to closing the Veil Tears.

 

Though so far I'm 0 for 1 since I can't rival Merrill. 

We don't know what the full harm can be done by them. And the taint can be cleared from them.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I didn't even see your post until after I wrote that, soooooooooooooooooooo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I didn't know if you did or not, so I played it safe.

 

 

We don't know what the full harm can be done by them. And the taint can be cleared from them.

Exactly. That's the problem. Who knows if Imshael is the worst those things can release?

[DrogonTheThird]

I know they have been a problem before for us but I would not rush to throwing them out

[efd731]

Depends on what risk could be involved? If they still transmit the Taint or do anything demony, I'ma smashin'.

If they are risk free, they'll be placed under the management of the Inquisition. The only one worthy of such power is the Inquisitor.

yup. Either we get all the toys or no one does. The only problem with that is, the inquisition will need an elven contingent in order to use them effectively. Shouldn't be hard, but at the same time, if Orlais is our sole chance at getting elven troops, maybe not. Also, will enjoy watching the other shoe drop when game is released, and we all look silly for arguing this point so vehemently. We'll all be wrong and hope this thread never sees the light of day.

[Divine Justinia V]

I didn't know if you did or not, so I played it safe.

 

Muchas gracias for the consideration

[Pottumuusi]

Has there been a discussion already on the Highland thing? Mike Laidlaw said on the PAX panel that a major character from The Masked Empire would be present there. This character was also referred to as "he".

 

Am I missing something here? It seems to me that according to any reasonable definition of "major character" it has to be Ser Michel.

Him and Gaspard are the only major male characters that are alive at the end of the book.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Has there been a discussion already on the Highland thing? Mike Laidlaw said on the PAX panel that a major character from The Masked Empire would be present there. This character was also referred to as "he".

 

Am I missing something here? It seems to me that according to any reasonable definition of "major character" it has to be Ser Michel.

Him and Gaspard are the only major male characters that are alive at the end of the book.

That's who most of us think too. 

[Shadow Fox]

Also guys just for future reference I'm a man.

 

 

Not that anyone cares of-course.

[The Baconer]

Great plan, behead Orlais, watch the body flounder as local strongmen try to set themselves up as lords, then watch them get crushed as Nevarran soldiers conquer Orlais. That's not to mention the political upheaval that would engulf the rest of Thedas with the sudden loss of one of its two superpowers.

Drastic actions have drastic backlash.

Besides, you may need the nobles, who do think has the power to assemble armies in Orlais?

 

I will not bargain or negotiate. If they do not submit, and offer what resources they can to strengthen the Inquisition (in order to save Thedas, and by extension, their country), then they will hang. If they aren't assembling armies already to defend the realm, as opposed to throwing masquerade balls or plotting to invade Ferelden, then clearly they are not fit to maintain their station, and are expendable.

 

Whatever comes next, be it a Nevarran invasion, or chaotic interregnum, it doesn't matter. Our directive is to save the world, not the Orlesian empire.

[TheJediSaint]

Has there been a discussion already on the Highland thing? Mike Laidlaw said on the PAX panel that a major character from The Masked Empire would be present there. This character was also referred to as "he".

 

Am I missing something here? It seems to me that according to any reasonable definition of "major character" it has to be Ser Michel.

Him and Gaspard are the only major male characters that are alive at the end of the book.

 

The consensus is that it's probably Ser Michel, unless Bioware decides to be cheeky and the players come across Felassan's body instead.

[Palidane]

Yeah, I think Ser Michel is the only likely guy. I hope they do his story justice, and we don't swoop in and clean up his life-long hunt in 10 minutes.

[LobselVith8]

We don't know what the full harm can be done by them. And the taint can be cleared from them.

True, Merrill discovered a way, and with access to the right amount of lyrium, blood magic wouldn't be necessary. I suspect the taint from the Eluvian in the Elven Ruins may have come from the underground city Tamlen saw in the mirror - possibly Arlathan, which was sunk underground (where the darkspawn reside). The darkspawn corrupt anything they touch, from land to objects, so they may have corrupted Eluvians in the ruins of Arlathan.

[leaguer of one]

I didn't know if you did or not, so I played it safe.

 

 

Exactly. That's the problem. Who knows if Imshael is the worst those things can release?

Imshael is a bad example because that's proof that randomly destroying magical items is the worst thing you can do.

[Xilizhra]

Yeah, I think Ser Michel is the only likely guy. I hope they do his story justice, and we don't swoop in and clean up his life-long hunt in 10 minutes.

The racist dolt deserves no better.

[Hellion Rex]

Has there been a discussion already on the Highland thing? Mike Laidlaw said on the PAX panel that a major character from The Masked Empire would be present there. This character was also referred to as "he".

 

Am I missing something here? It seems to me that according to any reasonable definition of "major character" it has to be Ser Michel.

Him and Gaspard are the only major male characters that are alive at the end of the book.

Could be Imshael....he seemed like a "he".

[Dean_the_Young]

That logic doesn't work when it comes to moral culpability. Take the example of a death resulting from a motor vehicle accident. There a significant moral difference we attribute, on the basis of the subjective mental state of the perpetrator, between someone who was just following the rules of the road, someone who was reckless as to those rules and to possible consequences, and someone who intentionally sought another person ought to crash their car into. 

If the logic of "dead is dead" applied, then our justification for distinguishing between criminal negligence causing death, manslaughter and murder would collapse. 

 

For the person who's dying, they still experience the torture. And that level of depravity being inflicted is quite relevant in assessing the magnitude of a crime. A criminal who simply shoots someone in the heart, and another who tortures their victim for weeks on end before killing them, are both murders but they did not commit equivalent crimes. 

 

There is a moral difference, but not a moral pardon, when someone who has responsibility chooses actions that lead to various outcomes, even if they themselves do not directly cause those outcomes and those outcomes depend on the actions of others. Especially when those actions by others are predictable results of your choice.

 

The justification for distinguishing between criminal negligence causing death, manslaughter, and murder doesn't rest on it not being  than dead is dead: dead being dead is why all of those are serious crimes. The justification for distinction is to claim intent matters... but that is not a justification everyone needs to agree is appropriate.

 

 

 

 

Those thought experiments get at an entirely different part of moral reasoning. Here we're talking about the magnitude of moral culpability for one's actions, firstly, and secondly, about the magnitude of the crime in terms of harm caused. 

 

The implicit assumption is that harm caused is somehow binary - that all that matters is whether death results and then the number of deaths. 

 

 

 

Not quite. It rests more on the premise that getting people dieing is worse than people suffering. Other crimes matter, but they just don't matter as much as life and death consequences.

 

 

 

 

Except that it's not that simple, especially if a large number of the elves consent to their treatment. If - for whatever reason - someone actually consented to their treatment there is a quite significant difference in this "victim quantity" level of measure for moral wrongness. 

 

 

 

Briala isn't exactly giving the elves a choice or a chance to consent in her ambitions to prolong the civil war. The elves have no influence on that- whether they wanted to rebel in the first place, or want to expand the war, is irrelevant to Briala's influence.

 

[Hellion Rex]

True, Merrill discovered a way, and with access to the right amount of lyrium, blood magic wouldn't be necessary. I suspect the taint from the Eluvian in the Dragonbone Wastes may have come from the underground city Tamlen saw in the mirror - possibly Arlathan, which was sunk underground (where the darkspawn reside). The darkspawn corrupt anything they touch, from land to objects, so they may have corrupted Eluvians in the ruins of Arlathan.

You mean the Eluvian in the Brecilian Forest, though, right? The Dragonbone Wastes one wasn't tainted as far as we know.

[Divine Justinia V]

Also guys just for future reference I'm a man.

 

Wow. Really? I feel like I've been punk'd lol.

[Hellion Rex]

Also guys just for future reference I'm a man.

 

 

Not that anyone cares of-course.

No, you're an elf. And yes, nobody cares.

[Hellion Rex]

Wow. Really? I feel like I've been punk'd lol.

Wait, it wasn't obvious?

[Divine Justinia V]

Wait, it wasn't obvious?

 

No, just like I thought you were a girl.

 

I'm terrible at guessing genders lol.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The racist dolt deserves no better.

Can he truly be racist? I mean, he's half elf so can one be racist to their own race?