Whether we actually see any of these is another matter altogether. DA doesn't seem to mix factions much: we didn't see Dalish with strong opinions on the mage question, we didn't see surface dwarves who cared about Orlais vs. Ferelden, and we've never seen elves with institutional ties to the Chantry.
The Dalish who stop the Templars from taking Feynriel beg to differ.
Yes
Lol, definitely not a girl haha. Just a gay guy.
The Dalish who stop the Templars from taking Feynriel beg to differ.
That was just templars getting up in Dalish business, nothing to do with the Circle directly from their point of view.
You've never seen the Boondocks, I take it. Uncle Ruckus is all the proof you'll ever need.
Uncle Ruckus was not facing death for being black.
LOL YES!!!
But as I said, I think he was just overcompensating.
But but but......I was writing fanfic about you and ares!!(I wasn't, can't write worth crap)Lol, definitely not a girl haha. Just a gay guy.
With her holding on the the tech of the old world, you think the dalish who very goals are to rediscover the past is going to pass this up?
She now has something they have interest in to get them to help her.
She's also involved with the massacre of a Dalish clan, and the old world tech she's holding is something that 'moderate' Dalish treated as a danger and needing to be buried and forgotten.
The bigger difference, though, is that Briala doesn't seem to be feeling any love for the Dalish at this point, after her bad encounters. She is not a pan-elven revolutionary: she is a city elf revolutionary.
But but but......I was writing fanfic about you and ares!!(I wasn't, can't write worth crap)
Pffft, you should be writin fanfic about Ares and Div, the dumb lovebirds.
That was just templars getting up in Dalish business, nothing to do with the Circle directly from their point of view.
No, they were there to take Feynriel to the Circle, so it is Circle business.
She's also involved with the massacre of a Dalish clan, and the old world tech she's holding is something that 'moderate' Dalish treated as a danger and needing to be buried and forgotten.
The bigger difference, though, is that Briala doesn't seem to be feeling any love for the Dalish at this point, after her bad encounters. She is not a pan-elven revolutionary: she is a city elf revolutionary.
A major part of her character development was discovering that the Dailish were not going to help the city elves, and in fact looked down on them. They even had their own charming pejorative for her kind, "flat ears".
Uncle Ruckus was not facing death for being black.
That was just templars getting up in Dalish business, nothing to do with the Circle directly from their point of view.
And Wynne's former apprentice?
...You don't understand he's only doing it to cover up the face he's half elf and really has no problem with elf's at all, right?
Well... there was that talk about "how can the empress be with an elf, oh the humanity!" and some other lines as well, but I think that's just because elves are second class citizens and it was just a gut reaction on his part.
Considering that at the end he embarks on a personal quest of atonement to avenge a butchered Dalish clan, I don't think he's a malicious racist.
No, they were there to take Feynriel to the Circle, so it is Circle business.
Right, but the Dalish don't care about the Circle, they just cared about the templars wanting to kidnap one of their people.
She's also involved with the massacre of a Dalish clan, and the old world tech she's holding is something that 'moderate' Dalish treated as a danger and needing to be buried and forgotten.
The bigger difference, though, is that Briala doesn't seem to be feeling any love for the Dalish at this point, after her bad encounters. She is not a pan-elven revolutionary: she is a city elf revolutionary.
For reasons that had nothing to do with the Eluvian itself, but rather their encounter with a tainted one. It was individual and emotion-driven.
Whether we actually see any of these is another matter altogether. DA doesn't seem to mix factions much: we didn't see Dalish with strong opinions on the mage question, we didn't see surface dwarves who cared about Orlais vs. Ferelden, and we've never seen elves with institutional ties to the Chantry.
That we don't see them doesn't mean they don't mix: it simply means we don't see them.
Hell has frozen over as I agree with Xil, but yeah. They threatened the clan, came into the camp and attempted to kidnap a member. The circle may have had something to do with why the Templars were there, but nothing to do with why the Dalish stopped them.No, they were there to take Feynriel to the Circle, so it is Circle business.
Great, then they should all go live in the mirror world instead of weakening Orlais. What's stopping them? Briala doesn't seem to intend that. She appears to want to achieve something in Thedas, not run to the vacuum. If the elves ran off to their vacuum and left Orlais alone, I wouldn't have any complaints, but I see no reason to assume that is the case.1.Sometimes trying to be on the moral high ground gets you eaten , especially when dealing with bears. And with the mirrors, yes the elves can live in a vacuum. The issue for year is that any human conflict elves get dragged in and left to rot. With the mirrors that stops. Saying that the Briala should help the human end their war over helping the elves ignores the fact the that will just end put having the humans dumping over the elves again like they always do.
She intends to free the elves. She believes the best time to do that is while the humans are embroiled in civil war, which is why she is hamstringing the winning side to prolong it, and she EXPLICITLY SAYS AS MUCH!2.Because of her general goal she stated. Let say both sides make a truce and stop fighting. How can she extent the war from that? Why would she extend the war from that? Think for a moment of what she want and can do while the human are fighting their war? Would that be the best time to make a stable elven state when no human can stop them? Why help the human end their war when she can help her kind protect themselves?
I'm of the opinion that people are people, human or elf. And in my book you can't throw one under the bus for the other and claim to be free of moral wrongdoing. I am in fact not saying Briala has to do anything. I'm saying what she IS doing is wrong. Stop making claims about what I think Briala should do. I have never made such claims.She not doing any wrong doing. She helping her kind. The elves are like a batted woman in an abusive marriage who get dragged back home when ever she tries to run away. If the husband is away that gives the woman all the time to get to a better place where he can't touch her or she can defend herself better. You keep say the moral thing is for Braila to help the people effect by this war by helping end it but that would just put the power back to the human nobles and the elf will be dumped on all over again. And this happen over and over again in thedus history. And you're saying the elf should risk that to help the human end their war?
Lol, definitely not a girl haha. Just a gay guy.
Well duh! I figured that out now 
Right, but the Dalish don't care about the Circle, they just cared about the templars wanting to kidnap one of their people.
That's the same thing. They don't want the Templars taking their Keepers, so they are against the Circle.
For reasons that had nothing to do with the Eluvian itself, but rather their encounter with a tainted one. It was individual and emotion-driven.
Strangely, none of the Dalish in DA2 make an argument of 'it's only bad because it's tainted.'
Hell has frozen over as I agree with Xil, but yeah. They threatened the clan, came into the camp and attempted to kidnap a member. The circle may have had something to do with why the Templars were there, but nothing to do with why the Dalish stopped them.
As I said, the Dalish do not like the Templars taking away their mages to the Circle, so they are against the Circle.
That we don't see them doesn't mean they don't mix: it simply means we don't see them.
True, but how many there are and if their proportions hold any significance whatsoever will likely be purely speculative.
Strangely, none of the Dalish in DA2 make an argument of 'it's only bad because it's tainted.'
A lot of it was related to how it killed Tamlen and sickened Mahariel, i.e. the taint.
And Wynne's former apprentice?
Also, I don't think Celene is anywhere near as cruel as Gaspard's potential to be.
Why not?
Granted, different people find different things painful and mean, but between Celene at her most manipulative (Briala) and at her most brutal (the elven crackdown), I am honestly curious what about Gaspard makes you think he's so much worse. Is he going to raze the alienage twice or something?
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