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[AresKeith]

The racist dolt deserves no better.

You never answered my question before, have you atleast read the synopsis of TME?

[Divine Justinia V]

Doesn't Merrill say "we all had magic once" or something like that, implying all of the Dalish were once Mages?

[Hellion Rex]

You never answered my question before, have you atleast read the synopsis of TME?

Xil's synopsis was me telling what happened to her.

[Hellion Rex]

Doesn't Merrill say "we all had magic once" or something like that, implying all of the Dalish were once Mages?

She was referring to all Arlathan elves having magic, supposedly. Who knows if it was true or not.

[TheJediSaint]

Doesn't Merrill say "we all had magic once" or something like that, implying all of the Dalish were once Mages?

 

She implies that all elves once had magic.  But that does beg the question that Felassan brought up.  Who did the sweeping?

[Hellion Rex]

She implies that all elves once had magic.  But that does beg the question that Felassan brought up.  Who did the sweeping?

Sweeping? Oh, you mean the servants?

 

Perhaps the magical elves of that era subjugated those without the gift.

[Divine Justinia V]

Why not?

 

Granted, different people find different things painful and mean, but between Celene at her most manipulative (Briala) and at her most brutal (the elven crackdown), I am honestly curious what about Gaspard makes you think he's so much worse. Is he going to raze the alienage twice or something?

 

When did Celene manipulate Briala? Her brutality was forced by none other than Gaspard, it was the only way to get the Divines aid in the Mage/Templar war happening in her empire.

 

Specifically the implication on his desire to march on the Dales, but even without that, it was said more than once by more than one how terrible the Elves would have it under his rule.

[TheJediSaint]

Sweeping?

 

I'm paraphrasing a bit, but Felassan asked the question of who did the cleaning when they were in the tombs of the Unethera.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Sweeping? Oh, you mean the servants?

 

Perhaps the magical elves of that era subjugated those without the gift.

Ancient elves enslaved their own. Turns out Tevinter is just a copycat.

[Dean_the_Young]

That's the same thing. They don't want the Templars taking their Keepers, so they are against the Circle. 

 

No, that's just means they're against the Templars taking their Keeper. It implies nothing about what they feel about the shems doing to their own mages.

[LobselVith8]

True, but how many there are and if their proportions hold any significance whatsoever will likely be purely speculative.

Yeah, the actual representations remain to be seen.

A lot of it was related to how it killed Tamlen and sickened Mahariel, i.e. the taint.

Marethari did say Merrill would bring back the taint, so it's not too difficult to see why they would oppose it. I'm not sure the Sabrae clan is the best example of how a typical clan might react towards the potential of the Eluvian.

[Heimdall]

Why not?
 
Granted, different people find different things painful and mean, but between Celene at her most manipulative (Briala) and at her most brutal (the elven crackdown), I am honestly curious what about Gaspard makes you think he's so much worse. Is he going to raze the alienage twice or something?

Gaspard hasn't got half as much sympathy for the elves as Celene. If a situation like Halamshiral came up, he wouldn't even attempt to solve it quietly like Celene did, nor would he ride down the streets trying to keep his soldiers from being too brutal as Celene did.

Though really, it's his expansionist policies that generate my dislike.

[leaguer of one]

Great, then they should all go live in the mirror world instead of weakening Orlais. What's stopping them? Briala doesn't seem to intend that. She appears to want to achieve something in Thedas, not run to the vacuum. If the elves ran off to their vacuum and left Orlais alone, I wouldn't have any complaints, but I see no reason to assume that is the case.
 
She intends to free the elves. She believes the best time to do that is while the humans are embroiled in civil war, which is why she is hamstringing the winning side to prolong it, and she EXPLICITLY SAYS AS MUCH!
 
I'm of the opinion that people are people, human or elf. And in my book you can't throw one under the bus for the other and claim to be free of moral wrongdoing. I am in fact not saying Briala has to do anything. I'm saying what she IS doing is wrong. Stop making claims about what I think Briala should do. I have never made such claims.

1. The goal is not to weaken  Orlais but to have enough time to make something for themselves. As long as the war last, the humans can't stop them from doing that.

 

2.And the reason why is so she can make a state for the elves and make sure the humans can stop them from doing that.

Prolonging the war is a means not an end.

 

3.She's not wrong. Doing something beneficial for someone  who will only do you harm is not moral, it's foolish. Think of the story of the fisherman and the sick snake. Take not of that and you see that she doing no wrong.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

No, that's just means they're against the Templars taking their Keeper. It implies nothing about what they feel about the shems doing to their own mages.

The Circle System's goal is that all mages, regardless of race, live in the Circles. The Dalish disagree.

[Pottumuusi]

She implies that all elves once had magic.  But that does beg the question that Felassan brought up.  Who did the sweeping?

 

A Wizard did it.

[Divine Justinia V]

She implies that all elves once had magic.  But that does beg the question that Felassan brought up.  Who did the sweeping?

She was referring to all Arlathan elves having magic, supposedly. Who knows if it was true or not.

 

All Elves or just Arlathan Elves?

 

It is a very good question, TJS, I'd imagine possibly the Tevinter? And yeah, Elu, similar to how it was said they all lived forever. While I'd like to believe it, we haven't seen evidence.

[Hellion Rex]

Ancient elves enslaved their own. Turns out Tevinter is just a copycat.

It would seem Tevinter learned from the best. And yes, I know that lol. I'm the one who came in here screaming about the slavery bit a week or two ago.

[Dean_the_Young]

Makes sense.  Vanilla lyrium exists in both places, so why not the red kind as well?

 

Vanilla? What, do the Templars flavor the lyrium they ingest?

 

Hm. Not a bad idea, actually- I've always been a sucker for grape.
 

[Hellion Rex]

All Elves or just Arlathan Elves?

 

It is a very good question, TJS, I'd imagine possibly the Tevinter? And yeah, Elu, similar to how it was said they all lived forever. While I'd like to believe it, we haven't seen evidence.

Perhaps the non magical were subjugated by those with the Gift.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It would seem Tevinter learned from the best. And yes, I know that lol. I'm the one who came in here screaming about the slavery bit a week or two ago.

I remember. You were the source of TME spoilers for us who wanted to know yet didn't have access yet.

[Divine Justinia V]

Perhaps the non magical were subjugated by those with the Gift.

 

Do we know how far back the Eluvians date to?

Also, your disdain for them but yet having it as your name makes me chuckle.

[TheJediSaint]

Perhaps the non magical were subjugated by those with the Gift.

 

Or those with lesser magical abilities.  There was probably some kind of classism in Arlathan, if not outright slavery.

[Hellion Rex]

I remember. You were the source of TME spoilers for us who wanted to know yet didn't have access yet.

I remember how JB had the best day of his life when I said the old elves practiced slavery lol

[Dean_the_Young]

The Circle System's goal is that all mages, regardless of race, live in the Circles. The Dalish disagree.

 

The Dalish are segregationists. They disagree with just about every Human institution and cultural expectation. Not because they want to tear them down or actively oppose them, but because they want to do things their own way.

 

There's a major difference between 'will not submit to someone else's system' and 'actively opposing.' The Dalish aren't interested in submitting to the Circles, but they have never expressed interest in helping mages tear down the Circle system to be free.

[LobselVith8]

All Elves or just Arlathan Elves?

It is a very good question, TJS, I'd imagine possibly the Tevinter? And yeah, Elu, similar to how it was said they all lived forever. While I'd like to believe it, we haven't seen evidence.

All elves in the kingdom of Elvhenan that covered Thedas. That's part of elven lore for the Dalish. They started losing their magic and immortality, as a result of the quickening. Felassan does mention their immortality and uthenera.