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Posté 14 avril 2014 - 05:39

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So I did my first male run as a human noble after doing the dwarf noble start. Right now I kind of wish there was a human commoner warrior rather than only the noble warrior just because it would be nice to be a warrior that was not connected to nobility but that's a bit off topic.

 

I was surprised at just how much alistair annoyed me. I got into my character more than I thought I would. He was raised by Bryce and took his role as a warden seriously. They had a task to do. And he has to keep listening to alistair turn questions in to jokes, get pissy if I'm telling him to buck up and take things seriously or not to cry about Duncan. He had to get him a few presents just to get him talking to me again. What a puss! Then when he gets to the landmeet, had charmed Anora finding her far more capable than Alistair who by that time he was more than convinced he should never be on the throne, and he never even took him to his sister's. Honestly, without the sex/love motivation there's no motivation to remember so I forgot entirely and didn't care because I wouldn't have hardened him knowing what a sensitive thing he is. He's shown nothing but a need to be coddled. Who knows what taking him to his sister's would have done?

 

My HNM was very practical, extremely cunning, shrewd and already deduced there was probably some other reason they had to have the taint but did not know what it was yet. The fact that my allies never got tainted in all that fighting we did especially in Orzammar made me wonder since this clearly wasn't just to protect us from them. And sensing them is helpful but again, not a huge difference unless I'm headed to the hoard. And thus, when it's time to kill Loghain I choose to spare him because I'm not going to kill the father of the woman I'm going to marry and most certainly not in front of her. Then Riordan makes an offer and I think it's a good idea. That's when I see just how naive Alistair is. He really thinks after watching Duncan conscript a 'cutpurse' that this is something noble... He's really that naive that he doesn't realize he was conscripted for his utility rather than because Duncan cared about him. And he's having a tantrum because I'm not going to kill the man in front of his daughter. He's lucky I used my boon to let him live after all the whining he did the whole way there. He makes a grab at king simply to kill loghain. How childish.

 

Ah well, I let loghain redeem himself. I told Morrigan to suck it and just went along with Loghain's expectation. It was really more about Anora than him and if it were my father, I would hope that his last deeds wouldn't be the ones that everyone remembered when he did end a horrible occupation. What he did was wrong, but I spare him because Anora was more important to me than Alistair once I realized I could marry her.

 

Yep, I really do get why people don't like him. It comes off a lot differently from a male perspective. You don't any of that extra charm while he tries to screw  court you. Playing a male with him makes it a bit harder to see his charm and much easier to see how he can be very annoying.


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Posté 14 avril 2014 - 05:50

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Not for me; had to allow curiosity for more of Loghain's backstory to ever allow him the chance to breathe past the Landsmeet. Alistair may have been quirky, but I chose dialogue that allowed him to appear loyal; not annoying at all.


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Posté 14 avril 2014 - 05:57

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All the different origins seem to change perspective. Like with the Dwarf Noble, Alistair doesn't ask him/her if they've fought darkspawn. more, he comments on how the DN is experienced at killing darkspawn.

 

Dwarf Commoner-heh. He'll probably think Loghain being a criminal is a good thing. He may even ask him if he has any tips on maximizing revenue through criminal activity.


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Posté 14 avril 2014 - 06:24

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Human commoner was actually planned to apparently be a farmer from Redcliffe but it was scraped early on. I sometimes wish Bioware would do a "re make" of DA:O called Legendery edition or something and add the origins they considered (chasind barbarian, human commoner, apostate mage) fix some bugs and change things around. I'd pay a full $60 for it.

 

Anyway i was able to see Allistar's "charm" in a sense that i thought he was pretty funny and someone i would get along with irl. I just about finished my human noble play through and am about to play it all over again with a different mindset. Originally i had my character be a sarcastic, confident nobleman who gets along with Allistar as they share a sense of humor. It worked pretty well making Allister my bro but overall the playthrough was inconsistent (my character dipped from lawful good to chaotic good quite a bit and i like consistency) i also spared everyone saying stuff like "they deserve redemption" but didn't spare loghain because of Allistar which went against everything my warden was going for and i also made Allister king (unhardened by mistake as i chose the wrong dialogue choice after his personal quest)

 

I'm now about to replay as a human male noble and do things differently. I already have it all planned out. A noble human warden who will stick with his belieafs and not change for any one character and also take being a Warden very seriously (therefore clashing with Allistar a bit like like your warden) because of Bryce's last wishes with a romance subplot with Morrigan (good guy bad girl opposites attract kind of thing), a motherly relationship with Wynne and basically taking up the alpha male position while Allistar is a beta male/follower. I'll leave him unhardened and spare Loghain while becoming King/Prince consort this time with a godbaby.


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Posté 14 avril 2014 - 06:47

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Human commoner was actually planned to apparently be a farmer from Redcliffe but it was scraped early on. I sometimes wish Bioware would do a "re make" of DA:O called Legendery edition or something and add the origins they considered (chasind barbarian, human commoner, apostate mage) fix some bugs and change things around. I'd pay a full $60 for it.

 

Anyway i was able to see Allistar's "charm" in a sense that i thought he was pretty funny and someone i would get along with irl. I just about finished my human noble play through and am about to play it all over again with a different mindset. Originally i had my character be a sarcastic, confident nobleman who gets along with Allistar as they share a sense of humor. It worked pretty well making Allister my bro but overall the playthrough was inconsistent (my character dipped from lawful good to chaotic good quite a bit and i like consistency) i also spared everyone saying stuff like "they deserve redemption" but didn't spare loghain because of Allistar which went against everything my warden was going for and i also made Allister king (unhardened by mistake as i chose the wrong dialogue choice after his personal quest)

 

I'm now about to replay as a human male noble and do things differently. I already have it all planned out. A noble human warden who will stick with his belieafs and not change for any one character and also take being a Warden very seriously (therefore clashing with Allistar a bit like like your warden) because of Bryce's last wishes with a romance subplot with Morrigan (good guy bad girl opposites attract kind of thing), a motherly relationship with Wynne and basically taking up the alpha male position while Allistar is a beta male/follower. I'll leave him unhardened and spare Loghain while becoming King/Prince consort this time with a godbaby.

 

Alistair is beta male.

 

I can see people liking him as a comrade or friend. My Cousland though took it all very seriously. Not so much because that is all he is but because the situation called for it. He had a job to do and Couslands always serve their country. Alistair wasn't really taking it seriously it seemed. He brought up revenge a few times and his whole family wasn't even murdered right in front of him. The situation was much different in my Cousland's eye. He pegged this guy a father figure when really he was an opportunist. He put the wardens on a pedestal when really they grab bodies wherever they can. He saw that first hand in how Duncan essentially manipulated Bryce into making him a Grey Warden, which really caused my Cousland to see the wardens in a much different light, not quite the heroes they were made out to be. Though he was more than willing to do his duty and serve, his sense of them as these noble heroes was gone in that one statement that Duncan made as Bryce lay dying on the floor in a pool of his own blood. When he met Daveth then learned he was a cutpurse from Alistair, he realized he was totally accurate about the wardens. He also realized that Alistair was under the false assumption that being a warden made him better or more noble or whatever he thought and in a few more conversations he realized just how sheltered, naive, and even childish he could be. Too many jokes.

 

What's interesting is that I can see the need to joke with a woman about all these things... flirtation or feeling a bit shy maybe and protective. But with another man it seemed a bit silly and juvenile. But essentially he is a bit juvenile which you really see at the landsmeet. It's easy to miss that when you are being charmed by him for romance. Or it's easy to just write it off. But as a very serious and straight forward cousland who had to put his own desire for revenge on the back burner, he felt that Alistair wasn't being prudent in that situation. If he could have thrown Howe at the archdemon he damn well would have but that opportunity never presented itself.

 

And of course, my cousland was not going to lose the chance to regain what he had lost on some level just because alistair wanted loghain dead. He was very self serving in that way given that Alistair really hadn't done a damn thing for him but judge him at every turn for being straight forward and wanting straight answers rather than some boy/man who thinks it's appropriate to answer almost every question with a joke.

 

On a side note, I have no idea what became of Alistair. I spared his life but didn't get a slide, but I tried to reason with him. My dialogue choices were that we needed all the grey wardens we could get and along those lines, trying to get him to see reason. Very straight forward. I wonder if that changes whether or not he becomes a drunk.


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Posté 14 avril 2014 - 08:44

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All the different origins seem to change perspective. Like with the Dwarf Noble, Alistair doesn't ask him/her if they've fought darkspawn. more, he comments on how the DN is experienced at killing darkspawn.

 

Dwarf Commoner-heh. He'll probably think Loghain being a criminal is a good thing. He may even ask him if he has any tips on maximizing revenue through criminal activity.

 

My previous playthrough was really just the dwarf noble start until I meet duncan and we head to ostagar at which point I stopped because I don't care to play a dwarf. But boy, that stayed with me. On this run, I went with Harrowmont. It's going to be hard not to do that even though I know the ending with Behlen is better for the dwarves overall. Behlen is such a scheming little twit ... had he not been so scheming, I would have 100% given him the throne. If it had played out another way, I could have totally heard what his thoughts on things were and backed him without question. It kind of makes me sad that there were no options for this, to support him and not get screwed over by him in such a final way. I can only imagine how things go in Orzammar when you see him again. But I didn't feel like playing that far. I suppose I could have just done it first but nah, wasn't really that interested. The commoner though doesn't interest me at all.

 

Funny thing - now I always kill Vaughn after playing the CE. I talk to the elf in the dungeon then kill him.

 

I'm mostly playing human female nobles because I'm really loving scouts as there's a kind of strategy with stealth that makes it much more fun, reminds me of how I loved archery/stealth in skyrim so much. Oh, the fun! But in some games I try to forget I'm a noble as it often seems to sway my choices at the end to marrying Alistair and putting him on the throne knowing he'll be my own puppet king, afterall, he does what I say, loves me and is easily persuaded. Frankly, I should be ruling things given my lineage and capability to lead with honor and distinction. And then there's Fergus who would if I had a choice be chancellor to Alistair rather than Eamon or at least a primary advisor. That's how it works out in my games since these cool options were given.


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Posté 14 avril 2014 - 08:51

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My most recent Human Noble was actually less apt to sparing Loghain when he considered the alliance between Loghain and Howe. Loghain enabled Howe to do a lot of horrible actions and even if Loghain wasn't directly involved in the Cousland Massacre, his unwillingness to punish Howe's crimes didn't make him exactly endearing.

(Also, even WOG doesn't directly say that Loghain wasn't involved in the Cousland Massacre, only that Howe did a lot of stuff behind Loghain's back. But that doesn't mean that the massacre was one of those actions.)

 

He still managed to charm Anora into marrying him and let Unhardened Alistair get justice through killing Loghain and having him stay as a Warden. He thought Riorden had a point, but ultimately believed that keeping Loghain alive in the long-run was more dangerous for the order and for Ferelden.


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Posté 14 avril 2014 - 08:52

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Enjoyed playing all the origins, though the Dalish Elf was my least favorite. That said, it offered one of the best long term storylines that held to end game. The male CE was one of the better origins, but lacked the motivation appeal of the female counterpart.

 

Recommend playing them all, and some from the other gender for a varied POV.


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Posté 14 avril 2014 - 08:54

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Not for me; had to allow curiosity for more of Loghain's backstory to ever allow him the chance to breathe past the Landsmeet. Alistair may have been quirky, but I chose dialogue that allowed him to appear loyal; not annoying at all.

 

I was deliberately going in a different direction having played so many females who were more prone to being very understanding. I played a few elves who were less so but he managed to charm them enough that they romanced him with some interest and curiosity. But overall, I've never played a character who did not have the time for coddling a man who should know enough to pull himself together rather than whine about his royal blood and cry about duncan. And given my family was just brutally murderer, my estate taken over by a family 'friend' I think I have a lot more to whine about as I witnessed the whole thing, had to be dragged away from my father as he lay there in a pool of his blood, and had to put aside my desire for revenge and even my deep concern for my brother. These were people I spent my whole life with and I'm not crying about it. There's a blight and I have to keep it together. I will mourn when it is over. Alistair doesn't understand this. He doesn't realize that you have to compartmentalize when you are at war, else you might die due to lack of focus on the tasks at hand. Bryce taught me well. Alistair, for all his templar training, lacks this sort of discipline. I kind of laugh every time I ask if he can train me to be a templar and he says no, it's about discipline first. Excuse me, I'm way more disciplined that you! How is a rouge less disciplined? We have to learn the art of stealth and wielding two blades is a bit more complex than bashing things with shields and a huge sword. We have to know how to work traps and poisons to our advantage. How to be clever and sneaky. Yeah, I think that comment is kind of ignorant on his part.


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Posté 14 avril 2014 - 09:00

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My most recent Human Noble was actually less apt to sparing Loghain when he considered the alliance between Loghain and Howe. Loghain enabled Howe to do a lot of horrible actions and even if Loghain wasn't directly involved in the Cousland Massacre, his unwillingness to punish Howe's crimes didn't make him exactly endearing.

(Also, even WOG doesn't directly say that Loghain wasn't involved in the Cousland Massacre, only that Howe did a lot of stuff behind Loghain's back. But that doesn't mean that the massacre was one of those actions.)

 

He still managed to charm Anora into marrying him and let Unhardened Alistair get justice through killing Loghain and having him stay as a Warden. He thought Riorden had a point, but ultimately believed that keeping Loghain alive in the long-run was more dangerous for the order and for Ferelden.

 

I think I might do that route with a different male in the future. Not sure of who he is yet, but revenge will be a major motivator and taking the throne with Anora will be a juicy bit of irony for him given that it happens as a result of Loghain and Howe's actions. And he'll be a master manipulator who will charm anora and sway her. I really wish we could shape things more in the outcome based on personality of the character. That would really be a great thing to have added to the epilogues. If you have high cunning and persuade, you become the one who does the ruling or jointly rules. Logically, that would be the case if you chose it to be. You would have more sway in things, especially in the case of Alistair/female noble, whom he always listens to and follower her lead.

 

I have to get alistair to kill him for that to work if I want to marry Anora, right?


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Posté 14 avril 2014 - 09:04

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No.

 

As long as your PC doesn't kill Loghain himself he can marry Anora.


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Posté 14 avril 2014 - 10:31

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No.

 

As long as your PC doesn't kill Loghain himself he can marry Anora.

 

When I do another HNM I'll let Alistair kill him. That should make him happy.


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Posté 14 avril 2014 - 11:12

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I thought Alistair made himself king if he kills Loghain?


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Posté 14 avril 2014 - 11:32

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I thought Alistair made himself king if he kills Loghain?

I think only if he is hardened. If he is not, he'll seek to have someone else take the throne.


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Posté 15 avril 2014 - 12:15

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Actually  concerning my characters my HN*of either gender* would empathize with Alistair the most given s/he knows first hand exactly what losing one's family because of someone you trusted feels like. Also I've found Alistair really only brings up Duncan twice, first when you ask him if he wants to talk about it and when you ask him about his time with the Wardens which I found understandable given the man's still grieving.

 

As for finding his humor annoying well I'm not going to argue personal taste but I personally liked that he made light of bad situations. And well my Wardens tend to be sarcastic themselves.


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Actually  concerning my characters my HN*of either gender* would empathize with Alistair the most given s/he knows first hand exactly what losing one's family because of someone you trusted feels like. Also I've found Alistair really only brings up Duncan twice, first when you ask him if he wants to talk about it and when you ask him about his time with the Wardens which I found understandable given the man's still grieving.

 

As for finding his humor annoying well I'm not going to argue personal taste but I personally liked that he made light of bad situations. And well my Wardens tend to be sarcastic themselves.

 

It's not a matter of what I like. It's a matter of what I role I am playing. If I go by what I like, I'd play the same character over and over. It's kind of like acting. I immerse myself in the character and take on his/her tones and attitudes, beliefs, etc.  Usually I start close to home, truer to myself. That's why I was mostly human females. Mage first because I felt magic would be fun for a start. Then did the noble warrior. They were all sweet and nice for the most part. Always helping others. Straight forward.  Making the decisions I would make. Found Alistair charming and adorable, sweet and goofy. But like anything else, enough times of that and things get boring. So I moved on to elves. Generally not fond of humans so that was a different approach playing someone who didn't automatically warm up to Alistair. And worked through other types and finally broke out the HNM. He was going to be very different from everyone else I played.

 

Everything I wrote here about how I saw things is from the perspective of the character. It seems like it's my actual opinion but it's my character's actual opinion. That's what you do as a writer or an actor. You immerse yourself so well that people see the role you play rather than you or what you write as the truth rather than as story you are telling.

 

I still love alistair though having romanced him so much I got a little bored with it and decided it was time to break out a new character. It was a lot of fun, though it was really kind of hard to not kill loghain and I did miss the flirting fun since my character didn't romance anyway. I might play another version of him - a more ruthless one. Not sure. It was fun but not going to be my norm. Right now I'm back to romancing him with a noble rogue though she's using him as a pleasant distraction right now from all the things that are bouncing around her mind. She doesn't really care a lot about him. She's not sure if she ever will. Doesn't have the heart to tell him given he's just lost someone he felt was like family to him and she understands that. She even wonders what he claims to feel for her is colored by his loss making him think he feels that, coupled with the fact that he's clearly not really had an opportunity to connect like this with a woman at any point in his life. She's cautious but enjoying his company just the same, even if she doesn't feel as he does. She does think that it's possible at some point, but there's just too much going on for her now to really take this as seriously as he does.... that's this character. She's very different than the others. She's aloof but still enjoying it, being a warden as she promised, still acting how her father raised her with regards to all the decisions she has to make as a warden.


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Posté 15 avril 2014 - 03:20

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@starlitegirlx This is awesome: what dragon age origins is all about- real character RPGs. If u can really get in a character it makes for great replays, and the events and npcs can seem very different each time
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@starlitegirlx This is awesome: what dragon age origins is all about- real character RPGs. If u can really get in a character it makes for great replays, and the events and npcs can seem very different each time

 

It really does make it a lot more fun. There are so many variations on all the characters that it keeps it lively. The game itself though gets a little dull after a point, doing the same battles and using the same skills. So I have learned to code through the places I've gotten really tired of and play the ones I still like. That's why skyrim wins on this front, because there was so much other stuff to do that you never even really had to do the main storyline - you could do the DLCs only or all of it or just explore. Downside is that the interactions did not compare to DAO at all. So it really was all made up in your head and I never really did much with the romance/marriage. It was just sort of standard cookie cutter because it had not much to it at all. No conversation really at all beyond very basic interactions.

 

But even with paring down the game to parts I like only, new characters keep it fresh. You see it from different perspectives which is funny because the characters are EXACTLY the same. You just get different reactions and you form different opinions about them based on your character and what they say, do, and believe.


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Posté 15 avril 2014 - 10:02

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Yeah, I would've loved a human commoner. The only thing lacking for character options is something a bit more in touch with Ferelden's barbarian roots. I think if you take roleplaying seriously, being a noble only gets you so far. I like it too, but it fills another niche.


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Posté 15 avril 2014 - 10:26

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Play a noble in touch with their barbarian roots?  The ring-giver in the mead hall, who leads the war-band to gold and glory.  Arguably, as the warrior class, the nobility are closer to the fight-fight-fight traditions of genre barbarians than the domesticated, agricultural peasants.


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Play a noble in touch with their barbarian roots?  The ring-giver in the mead hall, who leads the war-band to gold and glory.  Arguably, as the warrior class, the nobility are closer to the fight-fight-fight traditions of genre barbarians than the domesticated, agricultural peasants.

 

It can be done to an extent, but they are still different. I think Carver and (Warrior) Hawke capture it better (even if they are technically Free Marcher nobility).

 

I want to be one of these Fereldens in the concept art:

 

Fereldens

 

Here's Ferelden nobility, just for reference. Which is actually kind of barbaric looking in it's own right, but the game itself doesn't reflect it, I guess.


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Posté 15 avril 2014 - 12:08

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Oddly enough, my distate towards Alistair mostly comes from his views on Duncan, a character I came to feel nothing but hate by the end of the day ( I wish I could be more open about my opinions towards Duncan, but Alistair loses massive disapproval because of it). I don't really have anything against Alistair, but his reaction at Redcliffe was quite unnecessary if you ask me. But anyway, yeah, play as male and half of the charm is gone.


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...they put the Ferelden lord in a peplos dress?  Oh.  Maybe it's a tabard.  It's sort of... Gustav Klimt does a Slavo-Germanic mash-up.  I like it.  Super-loving the bright enamel decorations of the Lady of the Skies on that first one, and the garnet-and-goldwork inspired footwear. I am actually coveting that guy's shoes; they're strongly reminding me of Queen Arnegunde's, only with her bling on the shoe instead of on the garters. Although he can keep the furry spats.

 

The garments and a lot of the armor in DAO are definitely more generic fantasy/late Middle Ages/Ren Festy, no argument there.  The Chasind robes and Thane Helmet can work for a sort of fantasy barbarian, Conanish look, but it's true there's very little that reflects (or even refracts through a fantasy lens) the cultures and eras that inform the Fereldan artistic motifs used in the names, the codex literature entries, the architectural decorations and some of the artworks.


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Oddly enough, my distate towards Alistair mostly comes from his views on Duncan, a character I came to feel nothing but hate by the end of the day ( I wish I could be more open about my opinions towards Duncan, but Alistair loses massive disapproval because of it). I don't really have anything against Alistair, but his reaction at Redcliffe was quite unnecessary if you ask me. But anyway, yeah, play as male and half of the charm is gone.

 

I can see your point on this. To me, Duncun is the ultimate opportunist that comes in a grabs people at their worst. The interesting thing is that none of my characters truly had an option to go with him. It was the least worst of what faces them. Same for Alistair really but he built it up in his mind not really differently from Cailan whereas the truth lies closer to Loghain minus that Loghain never knew the truly gorely details of the joining and why it's so important. But loghain sees them as far less honorable which is the fact. Sure they have some recruits who choose to join... men like Jory in search of glory who learn about the joining and freak out and crazy SOBs like Oghren who loves to kill and figures why not get paid to kill darkspawn? But of all the characters we see in the games, none of them come to us wanting to join except Jory and Oghren and Mhiari without some ulterior motive. We conscript a few in awakening. Odds are none of our companions would have joined though they would have still helped (yet even they have breaking points and my guess is the joining would have been one of them). We don't even know Riordan or Duncan's history. Were they conscripted? Or did they join? Or just another one of the many opportunistic grabs we see so much of in the openings? So the secrecy based on the odds we see in the game is idiotic when nearly all the characters  we play have little choice or no choice. More so given how all the secrecy seems to fall away in the landsmeet if you let loghain join. Riordan and Anora suddenly spout intimate knowledge that nobody seemed to know or want to discuss and in front of the entire landsmeet no less. This level of inconsistency is a huge fault in the game.

 

But again, they are opportunists. How Riordan makes a grab for Loghain shows it. They'll take anyone, even one who just tried to have the last of the wardens in ferelden killed. And just then is when it hits Alistair that he's not part of some noble organization though he doesn't realize that it is the same as it always has been. He still doesn't realize that he was nothing more than a recruit to Duncan and in fact the Chantry was more likely trying to protect him as well as its secret. He's so against the chantry at that point that this looks like a good trade off. I guess in some ways it is.

 

What it really boils down to is Alistair was so desperately in need of feeling like someone cared about him that he misconstrues Duncan's grabbing another warm body for actual true caring when in reality, we see nothing that indicates this other than him keeping him out of the fighting, but that might be due to other things like that he's a junior member who Duncan doesn't have much faith in yet. That might be how it is for most of the junior members. Remember, some of the abilities don't show up right away. It would be foolish to risk someone who survived the joining given those odds to a battle they might not be needed in when they are still only six months into it and probably hadn't seem much fighting at all. He sends him on an easy task with recruits. That's what he thinks of his ability but Alistair thinks it's because he's a bastard of a king because everything in his life is because he's the bastard of a king, yet Duncan really doesn't care about those things. He just cares to not ****** off nobility by conscripting a cousland given that could get them ousted again from Ferelden and they still haven't fully recovered from the last time. 

 

I think redcliffe goes back to saving his family. Remember he's very sentimental about that damn amulet and his memory of his time there though he jokes about it. He still feels eamon was this good guy who raised him when if you ask loghain, it seems to have had more to do with the fact that Maric really would have accepted him as a son if it wouldn't have made Rowan (was that her name) look badly and that was something he didn't want. So Eamon did him this favor but that didn't last long. Did eamon shuffle him off as soon as Maric died or while he was still alive? I got the impression that he was there for a little bit because Isolade was cruel to him and made him feel unwelcome. So again, Alistair once again sees things differently from as they are. Eamon did it as a favor not because he was so super great guy, and Alistair feels he owes him and I think there's a bit of him returning as the fabled Grey Warden Hero in all of that. He wants to be the hero who saves the day and instead it all goes south. I think that's an undercurrent that never gets stated but based on earlier discussions, it is who he thinks the grey wardens are. Heroes without equal or whatever the line is. I wonder how much of his love of the grey wardens has to do with ego and feeling like he's something better or someONE better because of the grey wardens who in his mind are heroes. He wants to be the hero who saves the day not the warden who murders Eamon's family. It a mix of his ideals, his pride, his boyscout ways and beliefs, and how he still sees eamon as his family who he owes something despite all evidence to the contrary.


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The interesting thing is that none of my characters truly had an option to go with him. It was the least worst of what faces them.

Every single Origin ends with a death sentence. Every Warden survives - whether they want to or not - because of Duncan.

And then it's a full circle when your death comes again at the end of the game. (Even if you elect to avoid it, it's fantastic symmetry.)

Did eamon shuffle him off as soon as Maric died or while he was still alive?


Assuming Alistair is about 20, he was sent to the Chantry 10 years ago. Maric died 5 years ago. Alistair would have to be only 15 if "sent to the Chantry at age 10" occurred the same year as Maric's death.
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