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Posté 15 avril 2014 - 08:36

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None of my characters hate any race. No matter what they have been told they do not hate without reason that is justified through their own personal experience. They are not fond of what the humans have done when I play humans, but the also see that even among their own race there are those that are far from perfect and suspect that the humans who did these things were the far from perfect humans who maybe even had the power to get away with it. My elven characters also tend to share the trait that clinging to the past whether it's the one that was lost and forgotten or the one that lets dwell on injustices done in the past will not help you free yourself from this in the future. They are suspicious of humans but don't believe that they are all bad. This is proved by many they meet along the way. As you can see, I'm not big on bitter angry hostile characters. Reminds me too much of things I'd rather forget or not give air time to.

 

I eventually get to that point. I just don't like instantly being that way. Then I have to invent more reasons why they're enlightened right off the bat. I like using the game's events as a learning process, where they evolve (depending on how I interpret things).

 

Same goes in reverse for my human noble. I need good motivations for them to suddenly want to romance Morrigan, ruling with blatant injustice, or start drinking dragon's blood, when the Cousland family origin puts me in a different niche at first.


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Posté 15 avril 2014 - 08:43

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I eventually get to that point. I just don't like instantly being that way. Then I have to invent more reasons why they're enlightened right off the bat. I like using the game's events as a learning process, where they evolve (depending on how I interpret things).

 

Same goes in reverse for my human noble. I need good motivations for them to suddenly want to romance Morrigan, ruling with blatant injustice, or start drinking dragon's blood, when the Cousland family origin puts me in a different niche at first.

 

I think as you notice things, you make different choices. I began to notice more about Isolade which in the first games I didn't. But now I see her much differently and never let her live. I see Alistair a bit differently, blindly naive almost by choice and also now in romances I wonder if some of what is going on with him has far less to do with my character and his feelings for her than she is there and a suitable one to romance and lose his virginity to given that she hasn't irked him entirely. That's what my current character thinks about him anyway. It was triggered in a previous game where he romanced my elf and said he wanted to sleep with her especially because she was an elf which sort of was a bit odd and creepy.


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Posté 15 avril 2014 - 08:46

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Speaking of which, Stannis Baratheon reminds me of the kind of noble who goes barbaric, bad tempered, and brooding.. and converses with a witch and does ghastly dark rituals.

 

I don't mind getting to play something like that, but I just need good motivations. As it is, I see Cousland as Stark. Not Baratheon. I guess roleplaying is a bit like theater classes I used to dabble with. "What's your motivation?" I don't want to make (too many) arbritrary decisions.


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Posté 15 avril 2014 - 08:53

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Speaking of which, Stannis Baratheon reminds me of the kind of noble who goes barbaric, bad tempered, and brooding.. and converses with a witch and does ghastly dark rituals.

 

I don't mind getting to play something like that, but I just need good motivations. As it is, I see Cousland as Stark. Not Baratheon. I guess roleplaying is a bit like theater classes I used to dabble with. "What's your motivation?" I don't want to make (too many) arbritrary decisions.

 

It really is all about what your motivation is or what the character's motivation is. That's why I often end up doing some head cannon because things in the story don't fit to the character I'm playing.

 

Of course, the Baratheons are pretty much barbarians. I remember scenes with the one who died or was killed (he was killed right? I forget was it his wife who did it?) - he was a beastly one. Nothing about him comes off as noble. And when you see his brother and how he treats him... I am terrible with names... the one with the burns, that was his brother and didn't he do that to him? He's clearly a barbarian whereas Stannis seems more civil but pushed to his end likely by his brother's actions which seem a bit cruel though cruel seems to have been a motivator for him. Ned should have never gone with him. I really loved Ned the most. He's definitely a Cousland to me.

 

Oh and Ned's wife? ISOLADE


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Posté 16 avril 2014 - 05:05

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I tend to pick conversations for fun on either gender, so for my males, Alistair and my male warden are fellow Gray Wardens, a sort of 'us against the world' total bro-mance thing going on.  So, while I can see why he would annoy others, even my male wardens like him.  


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Posté 16 avril 2014 - 08:33

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Yeah I don't like playing male wardens cause they tend to end up hating everybody D: Thus they end up being manipulative power hungry bastards.


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Posté 17 avril 2014 - 01:29

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Yeah I don't like playing male wardens cause they tend to end up hating everybody D: Thus they end up being manipulative power hungry bastards.


Heh, my next playthrough is going to be with someone sort of like that. Male Cousland, very anti-magic, pro-Chantry, by-the-book kind of guy, who will romance Leliana (for achievement) and end up marrying Anora. Not sure what will happen to Alistair....maybe I'll have him kill Archie, or recruit Loghain to do it instead.


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Posté 17 avril 2014 - 01:34

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I tend to pick conversations for fun on either gender, so for my males, Alistair and my male warden are fellow Gray Wardens, a sort of 'us against the world' total bro-mance thing going on.  So, while I can see why he would annoy others, even my male wardens like him.  

 

I want to do that for the next human male noble I do. That's going to be the only male I'll do though. Couslands I think. Not enough in the mage right now and don't feel it enough for the other races to be anything but female.


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Posté 17 avril 2014 - 01:52

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I want to do that for the next human male noble I do. That's going to be the only male I'll do though. Couslands I think. Not enough in the mage right now and don't feel it enough for the other races to be anything but female.

 

My King Cousland (Gawain) was a son of a ******, a bit ruthless, but he had Ferelden's best interests at heart.

 

My Daylen Amell was a sweet, gentle soul who saw the good in everyone, even Jowan, and tried to help.

 

Both romanced Leliana in very different ways.  Gawain hardened her and I head-canoned that she was his 'ace in the hole' if any of the nobles gave him trouble... :ph34r:.  Thinking he was more manipulative of her than with genuine affection, though he did care for her, inasmuch as he could care for anyone.

 

Daylen genuinely loved her, and kept her unhardened.  The two of them ended up going off and traveling together.

 

But I had planned on playing an elf mage male and dwarf commoner male, but kind of lost interest in them.  I can make attractive human males, but not so lucky with the other 2 races.  :(


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Posté 17 avril 2014 - 02:56

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My King Cousland (Gawain) was a son of a ******, a bit ruthless, but he had Ferelden's best interests at heart.

 

My Daylen Amell was a sweet, gentle soul who saw the good in everyone, even Jowan, and tried to help.

 

Both romanced Leliana in very different ways.  Gawain hardened her and I head-canoned that she was his 'ace in the hole' if any of the nobles gave him trouble... :ph34r:.  Thinking he was more manipulative of her than with genuine affection, though he did care for her, inasmuch as he could care for anyone.

 

Daylen genuinely loved her, and kept her unhardened.  The two of them ended up going off and traveling together.

 

But I had planned on playing an elf mage male and dwarf commoner male, but kind of lost interest in them.  I can make attractive human males, but not so lucky with the other 2 races.  :(

 

I'm just now enjoying the female elfs but I don't see myself playing males of any race but humans and likely only the Couslands because there really is no other point to me in playing a male mage. I run the cousland for the endgame. Otherwise, it's females.


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Posté 17 avril 2014 - 11:15

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My Cousland male is a pro-Chantry type like that. Although I cut off the Leliana romance early there. She's one of my favorite characters, but is a bit too girly for that guy. I actually like Anora, in this case.

 

I don't see King Cousland as necessarily ruthless or powerhungry though. I think he's a bit like Harrowmont. A competent leader, but not the "royal bloodline". Just the next best option. I'm not that convinced the Theirin bloodline is all that worth holding on to anyways. Calenhad sounded like a dragon cultist. Not necessarily a great direction for Fereldens either, imo. This is the homeland of Andraste, but it's got a pretty lurid political history. The Couslands are one of the few families where you don't hear too much dark stuff. They became famous for stopping werewolves. I'd like to see a leader build on that. Fighting monsters instead of siding with them. And not doing the nasty with Flemeth. Or whatever.


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Posté 17 avril 2014 - 01:36

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My Cousland male is a pro-Chantry type like that. Although I cut off the Leliana romance early there. She's one of my favorite characters, but is a bit too girly for that guy. I actually like Anora, in this case.

 

I don't see King Cousland as necessarily ruthless or powerhungry though. I think he's a bit like Harrowmont. A competent leader, but not the "royal bloodline". Just the next best option. I'm not that convinced the Theirin bloodline is all that worth holding on to anyways. Calenhad sounded like a dragon cultist. Not necessarily a great direction for Fereldens either, imo. This is the homeland of Andraste, but it's got a pretty lurid political history. The Couslands are one of the few families where you don't hear too much dark stuff. They became famous for stopping werewolves. I'd like to see a leader build on that. Fighting monsters instead of siding with them. And not doing the nasty with Flemeth. Or whatever.

 

I see him like Bryce. Bryce didn't come off power hungry at all. A cousland character could be, but I've never really done that. They seem more shrewd and cunning if anything. Clever in tactics and you wouldn't see them as power hungry because it would be more subtle.


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Posté 17 avril 2014 - 02:30

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Yeah when I play as a HN I always move towards being quite calculating and shrewd, as well. I can't see them being sarcastic or blindly good in that setting, especially after having such a betrayal. 

 

It's fun to romance Alistair with that mindset, though. Catches him/her off guard if Alistair is kind to them or shows interest.


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Posté 17 avril 2014 - 03:12

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I don't know what to say to this post. Your art/style history is impressive. And shoes? Are you sure you're a dwarf... and not some redheaded bard? B)

 

I didn't realize it was Lady of the Skies. Was curious about that.

 

I'm a historical re-enactor with a focus on Anglo-Saxon England, and a nodding acquaintance with the other cultures in northwestern Europe at the time. :)  Means I have to take a chill pill for certain aspects of the game, but also that I roll around in geeky joy over others.  

 

Hey, even Shale knows red shoes are where it's at.  ;)

 

I'm guessing about the Lady of the Skies. If they're Avvar, that's who'd I'd say it is. If they're lowlanders, I guess it's Andraste?  It would be very appropriate for the same cultural artistic styles to be turned to the new religion - and the missionaries would be missing a major opportunity if they didn't just try to slide Andraste into every Lady of the Skies-shaped hole in the Avvar's lives when they go on mission into the mountains.


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Posté 17 avril 2014 - 03:36

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Like the Starks the Couslands are honorable, bent the knee to a conqueror who united the land, one of the most powerful families in the land,were betrayed by a family friend that saw their most of their family massacred and their lands usurped and have a member who joined an an ancient order of thieves, cuthroats, soldiers and anyone they can get (Night Watch-Grey Wardens) defending aganist an invasion from outside forces that wish to see Westeros/The North (Fereleden) destroyed. So i definitively wouldn't consider the current Couslands to be your typical elitist douchebag nobles.

 

 I wouldn't be surprised if ASOIAF was a big inspiration for the Human Noble origin, since I'm sure it was mentioned somewhere that Highever was allowed to remain as essentially an independent principality of Ferelden as long as the Teyrn swore fealty to the crown, much like how the Starks gave up their claim of being a kingdom, in exchange of being made the "Wardens of the North" instead.

 

The Couslands and the Starks pretty much sum up the idea of Old Nobility who still remained down to earth. Unlike most of the other nobles who are referred to with their titles, Lord Stark and Teyrn Cousland seem to be universally referred to as just "Ned" and "Bryce", showing that they aren't known for standing on ceremony or putting on airs.


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