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[daveliam]

Class based? Seems outlandish honestly. The only time I can see that happening is if a party member had a huge aversion to mages and magic, and even that a 'rivalry' path (or significant changes in dialogue) would work much better.

 

To be honest, I think that it makes more sense to gate some companions based on class than gender.  If you are mage, I could easily see Fenris being unwilling to romance you.  Similar to a templar spec'd warrior or blood mage spec'd mage with Anders.  Those kind of restrictions at least make sense with the characters' story arcs, versus an arbitrary gender flag.

 

Gender restricted makes sense only if there are an equal amount of m/f and m/m or f/f options available. My solution has always been to have six LIs (may or may not be companions).

 

Male 1- females only

Male 2- males and females

Male 3- males only

Female 1- males only

Female 2- males and females

Female 3- females only

 

If there are going to be gender restrictions (which I'm not against necessarily, I just don't see why those are the only restrictions), this is the approach that I hope they would follow.  And I'm feeling like the devs are on the same page with this as well (not saying that they are doing it or not). 

 

 

As far as race restrictions go, again I would have to say it applies based on character. I'm in favor of it if it flavors the character's reasoning and mentality. For instance a heavily pro-Dalish elf most likely wouldn't want a shem coming onto him/her. Dwarves heavily embedded in their culture generally frown on interspecies relations and pretty much 'stick to their own'. Varric in DA2 says he's not into humans, so if he were an LI for example, having him suddenly be into a human Femquisitor would be awkward handwaving to please the masses. But as with anything that would be much harder to implement since the backlash would be tremendous.

 

At the very least, if an LI must be playersexual, I do like the idea of different romantic dialogue based on race/gender if/when applicable.

 

If a character like Velanna was a love interest, I would hope that she would be gated by race (or if not, that this would be the focus of her romance story) given that she's pretty prejudiced against humans.  This is another example of a restriction that makes to me.

 

Regarding "playersexual", I'm not concerned because I really don't think we've ever even had a playersexual LI to date, so I don't see them going in that direction.

[Eterna]

Personally I'm more upset with Biowares track record of m/m romance option that I hate. 

 

Zevran? Hated him so much, I loved Alistair but couldn't romance him unless I was female. So I rolled female.

 

Fenris And Anders were both terrible. Nothing about those two  interested me at all. I did not romance anyone in DA2 for this reason. 

 

Kaiden was way too whiney and looked far too old for my tastes, Cortez was alright, but he was boring. Garrus is my husbando so I rolled fem shep. I would have also liked James to be a romance option because I thought he was adorable. 

 

What I want most from Inquisition is a m/m romance option that isn't whiny or emo and that I actually like. But deep down in my heart I know they'll make Solas the m/m romance option just to spite me. 

[daveliam]

Personally I'm more upset with Biowares track record of m/m romance option that I hate. 

 

Zevran? Hated him so much, I loved Alistair but couldn't romance him unless I was female. So I rolled female.

 

Fenris And Anders were both terrible. Nothing about those two  interested me at all. I did not romance anyone in DA2 for this reason. 

 

Kaiden was way too whiney and looked far too old for my tastes, Cortez was alright, but he was boring. Garrus is my husbando so I rolled fem shep. I would have also liked James to be a romance option because I thought he was adorable. 

 

What I want most from Inquisition is a m/m romance option that isn't whiny or emo and that I actually like. But deep down in my heart I know they'll make Solas the m/m romance option just to spite me. 

 

Well, you had me at first.  I hated Zevran too.  The fact that he was a glaring example of the "promiscuous bisexual" trope and wouldn't stop talking about his female lovers made that romance almost unbearable for me.

 

I was kind of with you with the DA 2 guys.  Fenris is too broody and Anders is too emotional, but all in all, they weren't awful.  Anders romance feels more satisfying to me, right up until the end of Act 3......

 

I was still with you regarding Cortez.  Nice guy, but a bit boring and a perfect example of a male LI suffering from Carth Syndrome.

 

You completely lost me with Kaidan.  To me, he's the perfect male LI.  That romance was amazing and super satisfying from a three game arc.  And there is no way that Kaidan looks too old.  Shepard is in his thirties.  So is Kaidan.  It's perfectly appropriate.  And Kaidan (and his face model) are smoking hot.

 

You might have me again with Solas though.  I don't know enough about him at this point to say anything about his personality, but his looks are just about the opposite of what I'm looking for in a male LI.  To put it in perspective:  I'm hoping for the burly, muscular, bearded and hairy Grey Warden, but I'm probably gonna get the skinny, hairless elf.  Crossing my fingers that Cullen will at least be bi so I can compromise.

[Hellion Rex]

Well, you had me at first.  I hated Zevran too.  The fact that he was a glaring example of the "promiscuous bisexual" trope and wouldn't stop talking about his female lovers made that romance almost unbearable for me.

 

I was kind of with you with the DA 2 guys.  Fenris is too broody and Anders is too emotional, but all in all, they weren't awful.  Anders romance feels more satisfying to me, right up until the end of Act 3......

 

I was still with you regarding Cortez.  Nice guy, but a bit boring and a perfect example of a male LI suffering from Carth Syndrome.

 

You completely lost me with Kaidan.  To me, he's the perfect male LI.  That romance was amazing and super satisfying from a three game arc.  And there is no way that Kaidan looks too old.  Shepard is in his thirties.  So is Kaidan.  It's perfectly appropriate.  And Kaidan (and his face model) are smoking hot.

 

You might have me again with Solas though.  I don't know enough about him at this point to say anything about his personality, but his looks are just about the opposite of what I'm looking for in a male LI.  To put it in perspective:  I'm hoping for the burly, muscular, bearded and hairy Grey Warden, but I'm probably gonna get the skinny, hairless elf.  Crossing my fingers that Cullen will at least be bi so I can compromise.

Wow...I really liked Zev's romance. Although romancing Fenris with a male mage was so damn satisfying, and I loved his character development.

 

Kaidan takes the cake though. Kind and thoughful, with the ass of a god. Can't get much better. BioWare might have taken a while with the m/m, but damn did they deliver.

 

I'm banging on Solas being one LI, and my second (realistic, not desired) is probably Dorian cause he seems really cool. Still have a candle lit for IB or GW romance though...

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Honestly, it's just really subjective as to whether you "like" a love interest in this kind of sense. I mean, we're not talking about quality or quantity of content here, really. We're just talking about our personal opinion of the characters. With only a max possible 2-3 characters anyone's going to romance in a game, I think we're going to have to accept that maybe we'll have to settle sometimes, a little bit. Well, yeah, maybe sometimes a lot. That's true with all genders and sexualities. Imagine picking 3 random people of your gender and sexuality out of the general public in real life. What are the chances you'd want a long term relationship with those exact three people?

 

That being said, I actually enjoyed the romances with Zevran, Anders and Kaidan. It just goes to show that everyone has different personal tastes. In Inquisition I haven't honestly seen anyone that strongly caught my attention. Most of the possible male LIs look either too old, too big, or have too much/too little hair somewhere for my tastes. DHMG is the one I think I could most easily settle for, though. 

[sangy]

So far with the first two DA installments I've been okay with.  I'm sure I'll be fine with their decisions on DA:I too.  I have to say though, since everyone is different with their own tastes, it's just best to leave out the restrictions for relationships.  The thought of restricting based on actions or via dialog makes sense since that is how everything works in DA:I from what I've read or seen in video. 

 

Whether they decide to keep in restrictions or not, I'm sure they will do the best they can.  Bioware has been pretty cool about doing their best to cater to the broadest amount of their fans than any other gaming company I've witnessed to date.

[Eterna]

Well, you had me at first.  I hated Zevran too.  The fact that he was a glaring example of the "promiscuous bisexual" trope and wouldn't stop talking about his female lovers made that romance almost unbearable for me.

 

I was kind of with you with the DA 2 guys.  Fenris is too broody and Anders is too emotional, but all in all, they weren't awful.  Anders romance feels more satisfying to me, right up until the end of Act 3......

 

I was still with you regarding Cortez.  Nice guy, but a bit boring and a perfect example of a male LI suffering from Carth Syndrome.

 

You completely lost me with Kaidan.  To me, he's the perfect male LI.  That romance was amazing and super satisfying from a three game arc.  And there is no way that Kaidan looks too old.  Shepard is in his thirties.  So is Kaidan.  It's perfectly appropriate.  And Kaidan (and his face model) are smoking hot.

 

You might have me again with Solas though.  I don't know enough about him at this point to say anything about his personality, but his looks are just about the opposite of what I'm looking for in a male LI.  To put it in perspective:  I'm hoping for the burly, muscular, bearded and hairy Grey Warden, but I'm probably gonna get the skinny, hairless elf.  Crossing my fingers that Cullen will at least be bi so I can compromise.

 

I guess I just like funny/witty guys more. Kaiden just always struck me as whiny and annoying. I just didn't like him as a character. I would prefer something closer to Garrus or Alistair as a male LI. 

[Vincent-Vega]

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[grumpymooselion]

Tali worked as a male only relationship in Mass Effect, I don't believe they ever changed that. Tali remained a popular character despite. I liked that she could have interests outside of Shepard as well, that she ends up with _______ if you're female or a male Shepard with no romantic involvement with her. To me that's a real character. She has her own ideas and wants, and they don't have to meet up with my character's. Just the same I wouldn't want a gay or lesbian character to suddenly go straight for the main character just because the main character was interested in them. That's not to say bisexual characters shouldn't exist, because people like that do exist, but, if they do exist, I'd actually like to see complications due to that interest that may be outside the player's comfort zone. They may like your character, but that doesn't make their like for the other gender just go away. Maybe that means one bisexual character cheats on you while another wants to bring another male or female into the relationship regardless of your own gender preferences and this leads to conflict.

 

I think the thing I look for most in the evolution of fictional game relationships is conflict, individual ideas clashing. Maybe it says something about me and my relationships but I have to honest . . . I get bored with relationships that don't have a good argument or heated discussion to spice things up. Gender, Race, Choices you've made (Blood Magic?) and what you do (I'm a Templar and . . . oh . . . you're a Mage, you forgot to mention that for the past couple months . . . this is awkward) factoring into relationships more is something I really look forward to as how we interact with other characters in games grows and evolves.

 

I'm not in it for wish fulfillment and if I die, and I end up in the usual 'perfect and everything is nice all the time' version of Heaven some people dream up, It'd take seconds for me to jump off the nearest jump off the fluffy white cloud footing. I like flaws. People fascinate me. Perfection and everything going my way is boring, so, even though characters I play aren't me . . . there's a certain layer to my personality that gets real bored, real fast, with a lack of challenge from artificial people just the same as I'd get bored with a game with gameplay that wasn't challenging. I like that people challenge me, and characters in a book or game or movie just going, "You're the protagonist and the most awesome thing ever and you're always right and I'm actually gay but sorry you've totally turned me straight all of a sudden . . .  because . . . " are inevitably going to make my eyes roll.

[daveliam]

 

Just the same I wouldn't want a gay or lesbian character to suddenly go straight for the main character just because the main character was interested in them.

 

I like that people challenge me, and characters in a book or game or movie just going, "You're the protagonist and the most awesome thing ever and you're always right and I'm actually gay but sorry you've totally turned me straight all of a sudden . . .  because . . . " are inevitably going to make my eyes roll.

 

Yeah, I agree with you that you should eye roll if a character every explicitly changes their sexuality because of the PC's gender.  Now, that being said, it's never happened in a Dragon Age game ever.

 

 

That's not to say bisexual characters shouldn't exist, because people like that do exist, but, if they do exist, I'd actually like to see complications due to that interest that may be outside the player's comfort zone. They may like your character, but that doesn't make their like for the other gender just go away. Maybe that means one bisexual character cheats on you while another wants to bring another male or female into the relationship regardless of your own gender preferences and this leads to conflict.

 

Maybe it's just me, but this is a somewhat questionable line of reasoning.  Bisexuality doesn't mean that the character is more likely to cheat nor more likely to want to engage in a three some.  Yes, these plot lines could happen with a bisexual character, but they could also happen with a straight or gay character.  I'm not really seeing how a plot line like this is more realistic for a bisexual character.  You are correct that a bisexual character in a same sex relationship still has attraction to the opposite sex, but the implications that they have to act on it is fitting into the "promiscous bisexual" trope that Bioware already flirts too much with, in my opinion (see Isabela and Zevran).

[Mockingword]

LOL. Of course the bisexual character gets the cheating plotline. Because not nearly enough LGB characters get labelled as unethical and promiscuous as it is.

 

Are these the kinds of arguments that are supposed to convince me that restricting the romances will somehow magically lead to richer, fuller characters with "interests outside" of the relationship (which, by the way, all the LIs in DA2 had)? Because it sure as hell doesn't sound like the people asking for restrictions want deeper characterisation. It sounds like they want a zoo of offensive stereotypes to gawk at, under the guise of being "progressive".

 

Next someone's going to say that Leliana and Zevran were "fine" because they had a "reason" for being bisexual. If they haven't already said that ten times.

[Darth Krytie]

 That's not to say bisexual characters shouldn't exist, because people like that do exist, but, if they do exist, I'd actually like to see complications due to that interest that may be outside the player's comfort zone. They may like your character, but that doesn't make their like for the other gender just go away. Maybe that means one bisexual character cheats on you while another wants to bring another male or female into the relationship regardless of your own gender preferences and this leads to conflict.

 

Wow. That's really gross. Like really offensive and gross. Attraction to both sexes doesn't necessitate acting on said attraction. Presumably straight people, even married ones, still become attracted to other people in their gender of preference.

 

Also, bisexuality doesn't necessarily imply that they're polyamorous. Plenty of bisexuals don't want to be in a relationship with more than one person at a time. There are bisexuals who have only ever been in a relationship with one gender or the other. There are bisexuals who have never had sex at all. Sexuality isn't contingent upon acting upon attraction.

 

Heterosexuals don't consider themselves asexual until they first have sex with a person. So, why do people assume that people of other sexualities must actually do the nookiefuntimes before they've earned their "this is my sexuality" card?

[Mockingword]

HOW DO YOU EVEN KNOW YOU'RE STRAIGHT IF YOU'VE NEVER TRIED KISSING A BOY?

[Gwydden]

HOW DO YOU EVEN KNOW YOU'RE STRAIGHT IF YOU'VE NEVER TRIED KISSING A BOY?

Sarcasm?

 

I've never seen the point of restricting romance options, truth be told. Especially considering there is a grand total of four people in Thedas willing to engage in a romantic relationship with a given PC.

[Mockingword]

Sarcasm?

Hello. I don't believe we've met.

[Gwydden]

Hello. I don't believe we've met.

I don't believe we have, no, but my question still stands. Tone is hard to get without actually hearing the other person, and I still find your statement confusing. On that matter, my tone in this and my previous post is most certainly not hostile, just in case it came across that way.

[Darth Krytie]

I don't believe we have, no, but my question still stands. Tone is hard to get without actually hearing the other person, and I still find your statement confusing. On that matter, my tone in this and my previous post is most certainly not hostile, just in case it came across that way.

 

I can tell you on good authority that he was being flippant in his commentary.

[Mockingword]

I don't believe we have, no, but my question still stands. Tone is hard to get without actually hearing the other person, and I still find your statement confusing. On that matter, my tone in this and my previous post is most certainly not hostile, just in case it came across that way.

Well, I wasn't being hostile either. That was light teasing.

 

For future reference; if you think I'm being sarcastic, I probably am.

[SurelyForth]

Tali worked as a male only relationship in Mass Effect, I don't believe they ever changed that. Tali remained a popular character despite. I liked that she could have interests outside of Shepard as well, that she ends up with _______ if you're female or a male Shepard with no romantic involvement with her. To me that's a real character. She has her own ideas and wants, and they don't have to meet up with my character's. Just the same I wouldn't want a gay or lesbian character to suddenly go straight for the main character just because the main character was interested in them. That's not to say bisexual characters shouldn't exist, because people like that do exist, but, if they do exist, I'd actually like to see complications due to that interest that may be outside the player's comfort zone. They may like your character, but that doesn't make their like for the other gender just go away. Maybe that means one bisexual character cheats on you while another wants to bring another male or female into the relationship regardless of your own gender preferences and this leads to conflict.

 

 

Hilarious that you should mention Tali, since there is literally no reason why FemShep can't romance her. She has all of the dialogue leading to romance, and she's every bit as sexually frustrated with FemShep as she is with Sheploo. So they did exactly the opposite of what you're commending them for- they laid the groundwork for her to be bisexual, but pulled back at the last minute with no explanation.

 

They did something similar with Jack, where she says she's bisexual but she has no interest in FemShep, only Sheploo and his Healing ****. Also ridiculous. 

[daveliam]

Hilarious that you should mention Tali, since there is literally no reason why FemShep can't romance her. She has all of the dialogue leading to romance, and she's every bit as sexually frustrated with FemShep as she is with Sheploo. So they did exactly the opposite of what you're commending them for- they laid the groundwork for her to be bisexual, but pulled back at the last minute with no explanation.

 

They did something similar with Jack, where she says she's bisexual but she has no interest in FemShep, only Sheploo and his Healing ****. Also ridiculous. 

 

Jack was the one that I still really don't understand.  She was a bisexual character who was gated from females for no apparent reason.  It just seemed random and out of place given that we know that she's been with men and women in the past and is a casual sex kind of gal.  

 

Sure, someone could say, "Well, she's just not into FemShep.  It's part of her character."  But these would likely also be the same people who have issues with Anders and (possibly) Cullen being m/m options.  If Jack can go against her past expressed sexual orientation, then so can the guys (but in the other direction).

 

And I understand that not every bisexual is interested in every person, but if the game has romance for both male and female characters AND Jack has a romance story arc AND there is already a bisexual female human character in the game (Kelly), I'm just not seeing why FemShep couldn't romance Jack.

[Ianamus]

Jack was the one that I still really don't understand.  She was a bisexual character who was gated from females for no apparent reason.  It just seemed random and out of place given that we know that she's been with men and women in the past and is a casual sex kind of gal.  

 

Sure, someone could say, "Well, she's just not into FemShep.  It's part of her character."  But these would likely also be the same people who have issues with Anders and (possibly) Cullen being m/m options.  If Jack can go against her past expressed sexual orientation, then so can the guys (but in the other direction).

 

And I understand that not every bisexual is interested in every person, but if the game has romance for both male and female characters AND Jack has a romance story arc AND there is already a bisexual female human character in the game (Kelly), I'm just not seeing why FemShep couldn't romance Jack.

 

I was always under the impression that Jack just vastly preferred men, and that while she had been in relationships with women before she did not find them particularly satisfying. 

[daveliam]

I was always under the impression that Jack just vastly preferred men, and that while she had been in relationships with women before she did not them particularly satisfying. 

 

No, I get that.  I just find it odd that there is a female bisexual character in the game and she's gated from the female players.  That could actually have been a really interesting story to explore with her letting her guard down with FemShep.  I mean, every plot relevant or adjacent female character on the Normandy besides Chakwas was throwing her panties at MaleShep (including Jack), but suddenly, when Shep is a lady, she doesn't have the same hold over people?

 

It's not the end of the world, but I find it suspicious when considered with the ME team's already crappy track record with both LGB characters and female players.  It just strikes me as "Let's make the punk bad-ass girl bisexual because guys love that."

[Ianamus]

No, I get that.  I just find it odd that there is a female bisexual character in the game and she's gated from the female players.  That could actually have been a really interesting story to explore with her letting her guard down with FemShep.  I mean, every plot relevant or adjacent female character on the Normandy besides Chakwas was throwing her panties at MaleShep (including Jack), but suddenly, when Shep is a lady, she doesn't have the same hold over people?

 

It's not the end of the world, but I find it suspicious when considered with the ME team's already crappy track record with both LGB characters and female players.  It just strikes me as "Let's make the punk bad-ass girl bisexual because guys love that."

 

I'm fine with Jack just not being interested in having a sexual relationship with Femshep, my problem with her is that it's impossible for Femshep to have any kind of relationship with her, platonic or not. It's the same with a male Shepard who does not romance her.

[Giggles_Manically]

You know I really dont care one way or the other.

Playersexual? All BI? 2/2/2 whatever.

 

It is a video game made to be enjoyed and if it makes people happy so what?

If it is at the expense of characterization and derails them? I dont agree with that.

Long as their is sound reasons behind their preferences I dont mind. 

 

Really we know only that THERE IS romances, and the Cass and Cullen have a romance arc.