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[Vincent-Vega]

Well, I'm not really asking for more content, I just think, the player's influence on a NPC's behaviour and charater should be limited.

The sexuality is just a part (and not even a very important, just an obvious one) of what I'm talking about.

 

Metal-Potata-Alex expressed this way better than I ever could with my english without thinking at least twice about every word. While I'm still for gender/race restrictions, that's not really my issue. I'm just allergic to the statement "We don't want player to miss out on stuff because of....".

 

I think "missing out stuff" (for whatever reasons) can greatly improve an RPG game by making it more believable.

 

Btw. I understand, why many feel that way, but we're here to discuss different opinions, right.

[cephasjames]

Except they are not and it is purely your perception that makes it so.

So, the LIs sexuality stays the same no matter how the player reacts to them over multiple playthroughs? EG: Female Companion X is into men no matter what. This means even if the PC is female, Female Companion X will always and only be into men. That is sexuality independent of the PC. That's not how BW is doing it.

[cephasjames]

Since they never discuss their sexuality, how do you even know what it is? Let alone what factors it's 'dependent' on, if any.

In a metagaming sense, actions speak louder than words.

[cephasjames]

I dont see how thats the same as choosing to let someone live or die

It's call a choice. Being presented with choices is by its very nature restrictive.

[daveliam]

So, the LIs sexuality stays the same no matter how the player reacts to them over multiple playthroughs? EG: Female Companion X is into men no matter what. This means even if the PC is female, Female Companion X will always and only be into men. That is sexuality independent of the PC. That's not how BW is doing it.

 

It is if you take the fact that they are romanceable by both males and females as evidence that they are bisexual.  There's clear evidence in the game that Isabela is bisexual.  The devs, including Gaider who wrote him in DA: A, have stated that Anders is bisexual and was intended as such back in DA: A.  Sebastian is straight.  In DA: O, Alistair and Morrigan are straight and Zev and Leliana are bisexual.

 

So if there are two straight and two bisexual LIs in DA: O and two bisexual and one straight LI in DA 2, it strikes me as odd that the other two LIs are playersexual.  Yes, there is no evidence to show that they are, just like there is no evidence to show that they aren't, so it's up for debate. 

 

However, I'm of the opinion that there haven't any true playersexual LIs so far.  If Merrill said, "I'm only into men" to male Hawke and "I'm only into women" to female Hawke, then that would be playersexual.  However a character who doesn't discuss their sexuality to anyone but is romanceable to both males and females sounds more like a bisexual character, especially considering that 7 of the other companions all have set sexualities.  At least that's how I see it.

[Mockingword]

In a metagaming sense, actions speak louder than words.

In a metagaming sense, you still don't know what their sexualities are, so...

[Darth Krytie]

In a metagaming sense, you still don't know what their sexualities are, so...

Your icon is always such a grand accompaniment to most of your posts.

[SerCambria358]

It's call a choice. Being presented with choices is by its very nature restrictive.

so how is making romance restrictions allowing choice?

[CENIC]

I could see them making romances race-restricted because they have invested in separate body models for humans, elves, dwarves and qunari.
So, they can either restrict what race can romance which character, construct every romance scene carefully so that the player model doesn't look weird, or construct a different romance scene for every race. Considering that romance scenes are such a small part of the game overall, I really doubt that last option will come to pass.

[cephasjames]

so how is making romance restrictions allowing choice?

It's not allowing choice, it's forcing choice (like any other choices we need to make in the game) by making the PC choose to role play one way rather than another way. If those restrictions are not on there then the PC can play however they want; therefore there is no real choice to be made.

[SerCambria358]

It's not allowing choice, it's forcing choice (like any other choices we need to make in the game) by making the PC choose to role play one way rather than another way. If those restrictions are not on there then the PC can play however they want; therefore there is no real choice to be made.

Thats been my point lol, why have you been disagreeing with me?

[Enigmatick]

It's not allowing choice, it's forcing choice (like any other choices we need to make in the game) by making the PC choose to role play one way rather than another way. If those restrictions are not on there then the PC can play however they want; therefore there is no real choice to be made.

That's like complaining that you're being forced to use physical attacks when you're the one who chose to not be a mage, you made a choice and it has it's effects. I don't see how that's a problem.

[DarthSliver]

I am for at least Race restricted romance and I even have an example.

 

Recently I was telling a friend of mine that Varric should only be Romanceable if you are a Dwarf character just as a thrown bonus to people who want to romance him. I am not too sure on Varric's romance preference but I mainly said that to make him hard to romance type thing. He could just be Gender- restricted to female PC too but I figured Race restricted would be easier so all the romance options can be flagged as Bi for preferences of all players.   

[Mockingword]

So, the LIs sexuality stays the same no matter how the player reacts to them over multiple playthroughs? EG: Female Companion X is into men no matter what. This means even if the PC is female, Female Companion X will always and only be into men. That is sexuality independent of the PC. That's not how BW is doing it.

Lol.

 

Being into men "no matter what" doesn't preclude the possibility of being with a woman. It just means that Female Comapnion X cannot be deterred from liking men.

 

People can like apples and oranges.

 

And since we are not privy to the sexuality of the characters (they do not make their preferences explicit, and the writers have also not divulged that information), there's absolutely no way to tell if their sexuality "changes" or not.

[Mockingword]

I am for at least Race restricted romance and I even have an example.

 

Recently I was telling a friend of mine that Varric should only be Romanceable if you are a Dwarf character just as a thrown bonus to people who want to romance him. I am not too sure on Varric's romance preference but I mainly said that to make him hard to romance type thing. He could just be Gender- restricted to female PC too but I figured Race restricted would be easier so all the romance options can be flagged as Bi for preferences of all players.   

But why does Varric, or any character for that matter, need to be "hard" to romance? What value is added to the character by restricting access to a portion of their content, and why shouldn't people who play differently be allowed access to it?

[Mockingword]

One could easily pre-empt that question for the other side and ask you what value is added by having Varric be sexually available to every protagonist, regardless of how people choose to play. Why does Varric need to be 'easy' to romance?

They could, but they'd look like a twit.

 

More freedom of choice is inherently valuable, especially in RPGs, which emphasize that aspect of play over any other feature.

[Fetunche]

If you want restricted content you can restrict it for yourself, if you think Varric should be restricted to a female dwarf LI don' t romance him with any other character. You the player chooses the LI if you think only certain combination should work choose them for yourself, don't stop me from romancing him with dwarf hating mabari if I choose.

[myahele]

I don't mind race/class/gender restrictions. While playersexual makes things easier, I always liked the fact that you can't get the ending you want unless you metagame. Also, it forces to play a character that you may not have other wise played.

[TKavatar]

If you want restricted content you can restrict it for yourself, if you think Varric should be restricted to a female dwarf LI don' t romance him with any other character. You the player chooses the LI if you think only certain combination should work choose them for yourself, don't stop me from romancing him with dwarf hating mabari if I choose.

Bioware should allow the mage class to be available for dwarves as well. We should be able to take Bianca out of Varric's inventory and sell it without any repercussions. We should be able to make Wynne a blood mage, we should be able to romance Fenris as a blood mage and damn anyone who says that's OOC for these characters or the lore right?

Too much choice is not always a good thing.

[Mockingword]

If I want to be 'forced' to play a character I wouldn't have made for myself, I'll just play one of the dozens of games I already own that have fixed protagonists.

[Fetunche]

Meta gaming should not be a requirement for a satisfactory playthrough.

[OrbitalWings]

The way I see it, it's always better to give the player the choice, rather than dictating it to them at the start of the game.

 

All restricting romances to certain genders or races will accomplish is annoying people who don't want to play as the gender/race required. From a purely personal point of view, I would very much like my Inquisitor to romance Cassandra, but I also know I will not make a male Inquisitor just to do it. Restricting it just means people miss out, and really doesn't add anything to the character - I don't know about anyone else, but a character's preference in the downstairs department isn't exactly the top of the priority list for character development.

 

As Fetunche said, if you want there to be restrictions, impose them yourself, and enjoy the fact that you have the freedom to play the game your way, with the race/gender/romance combinations you prefer. And if other people prefer to do it a different way, so be it, everyone should have fun.

 

I'd much rather the love interests availability be decided by decisions I make within the story of the game, rather than be locked out from the moment I started.

[Mockingword]

We should be able to make Wynne a blood mage, we should be able to romance Fenris as a blood mage

You can already do those things.

[TKavatar]

You can already do those things.

Yes, I know. But it's horribly OOC for these characters to even allow such a thing.