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[Nocte ad Mortem]

As for the multiple play through issue, I don't play through on characters I don't want to play. A romance wont motivate me to do that. Having multiple romances available to the type of character I enjoy playing WILL motivate me to play the game again. If I have to play a race or gender I don't enjoy playing, I just wont play through again. I'm not going to play a female, I don't want to play a dwarf or Qunari. No amount of romances for those specs is going to get me to do it.

 

I didn't switch genders to play DA:O again for the chance to romance Alistair. It didn't motivate me to play the game again in the least. I would have definitely done multiple play throughs just for romancing both Zevran and Alistair on different characters, though. What motivates people to do multiple play throughs varies and just having the characters available to all genders/races/classes doesn't mean you don't need multiple play throughs for multiple romances. By gating romances, you may just as easily be limiting play throughs as you are encouraging them. 

[Blackrising]

I feel like ive seen this discussion over & over again, no1 will ever be 100% satisfied

 

Very true, but it does make for a few very entertaining hours.

(And then a few more when I whine to my flatmates about threads like this.)

[Ryzaki]

Oh so very much :/

 

This is the reason I'm very keen for there to be no restrictions - yeah, romances are a big part of the game for me, but not enough to roll a character I'm not going to enjoy playing the whole game as.

 

Agreed. I would adore to do the Garrus romance. No way in hell I'm playing FemShep to do it. So yeah I'd rolled another Shep if he was male Shep available as it was I skipped it and watched it on youtube.

 

I don't know why people are acting like everyone has time enough to replay a 40+ hour game for about 15 minutes of different content. Some people (Hell I bet it's most people) don't have time for that.

 

Far better to have in game decisions (like killing X, sparing Y, siding with Z) to influence the romance. You still get them being restricted to certain PCs, and it helps characterization far better than a mere gender restriction which can end up in lol scenarios like Leliana staying in love with someone who poisoned the ashes (if Hardened) and Alistair romancing a slavery supporting bloodmage ******* or Zev being with a human supremest.

[daveliam]

Really?
 

 

Yep really.  There is a difference between wanting the 4 companions who are LI's to be bisexual and not have preferences on race and having "every companion" be "sexually available" as a "vehicle for the romantic advances of players".  You are exaggerating what people are asking for as if that will somehow strengthen your argument.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Very true, but it does make for a few very entertaining hours.
(And then a few more when I whine to my flatmates about threads like this.)

Im just surprised it hasn't just turned into a total "bi vs straight" war yet, already seen a few "bisexuality cheapens characters" like comments by some.

[daveliam]

Seeing as how I've yet to mention sexuality in a single one of my posts and this thread (like so many others) is reading like a litany of requests for a smorgasboard of LI's in all of the games ever, I'd say it's you that needs to do a better job of understanding the posts of others, not me.

 

I understand their arguments just fine.  I don't agree with them necessarily, but I understand them.  I'm using your own words, so I'm pretty sure I understand yours as well.  Dance around the issue all you'd like, but you got caught up in hyperbole and exaggeration and got called out on it and now you're trying to discredit my understanding.  It's clear to me that you aren't going to own up to it, so I'm pretty much done with you, I guess.

[wright1978]

Not a fan of gener/race/class/specialisation/insert term restrictions on romances. I'm much more a fan of the open approahc where the focus is on inclusiveness, providing an element of choice and quality of concentrated content amongst companion romances rather than creating a myriad of restrictions.

[daveliam]

Like you, I'm quoting and responding to the posts of others in this thread. Where's the hyperbole lad?

 

Okay.  I'll bite.  Can you point me to where you got these direct quotes then?

 

"every companion"

"sexually available"

"vehicle for the romantic advances of players"

 

These are the words that I'm using when I say that you are exaggerating and using hyperbole.  If you can point me to a single poster who has used them directly, then I'll take back what I said with a humble apology.  Because I read the thread and didn't see anyone use them except for you.  Cheers!

[daveliam]

You want me to quote you the quotes of the things I wrote that you just quoted? May I ask why? In any case, the things I said perfectly encapsulate the views of those who want nothing more than to have a full compliment of LI's available to their protagonist, regardless of how they choose to play. You know, people like you?

 

Yeah, that link was an example of me calling you out for the exact same issue of exaggeration about the exact same topic four months ago.  That doesn't demonstrate that you aren't exaggerating people's opinions.  And it also doesn't demonstrate that I am doing what you are accusing others of doing (if you actually follow that thread back, you'd see that I never said anything about wanting to romance Aveline, I was responding to your exaggerated reply to another poster).

 

You do this in threads like this.  When people express that they don't want there to be restrictions on the LI's, you create these sweeping exaggerations where you claim that people are asking to romance "every companion" (they are not, they are only talking about the LIs) and that they only want companions to be "vessels for their romantic interest" (they don't, they want to have equal access to the LIs regardless of their character build based on race, class, and gender).

 

And with that, I'm thanking you for reminding me that you were the guy who was doing this exact same thing a few months ago.  That indicates to me that it's not worth my time to even discuss it because you are not interested in hearing other points of view; you are interested in creating arguments based on exaggeration.  Have a great day!

[Kingthlayer]

"If Varric stays true to his races belief that they are better than the other races"

 

In any case, the point is that it doesn't add depth for any given character to have romance restrictions, unless you believe that, say, heterosexuals have inherently more depth than bisexuals.

 

That was quoted right from the wikia, where it says Dwarves believe themselves superior to the other races,  as one of the reasons why they don't mate with other species.  Perhaps I misquoted but since it was from the wiki, it would have been easy to see yourself.

 

Plus let's not pretend that every other race in Thedas isn't racist, humans and elves hate each other.

[Kingthlayer]

Ok but how dose what happens in one world effect the one you are playing in?  If say Varric romances your female Dwarf in your game.  How dose him romancing a male Quinari in mine change your experience?  In your game he is still a heterosexual species loving purist.  The fact that you the player are meta gaming dose not change the experiences of those in the game.

 

Is he really?  Does his dialogue reflect that?  Or am I suppose to head cannon and fan fiction my way through the game?

[Giggles_Manically]

Ehhh well....I think it is kinda needless in many ways.

 

Like what are they going to do? Release a chart that says what does/does not work?
I think it can add depth to it in some ways, or just be pointless in others.

 

If it works for the character they should do it.

Like if a LI hates humans, dont have them romance humans or something.

 

All depends on how they do it really, as I normally say.

But honestly if you dont like a LI romancing a certain gender/race/class then DONT romance them as it and let people who do live with it.

[someguy1231]

Funny how so many people on these forums claims to be in favor of more RPG elements for this game, yet the moment those might start interfering with their ability to get with their waifu/husbando, all of that goes out the window...

[ArtemisMoons]

I was hoping to see more opinions on race/class/gender restrictions in other areas than romance, but all anyone focuses on is romance. xD

[Darth Krytie]

I was hoping to see more opinions on race/class/gender restrictions in other areas than romance, but all anyone focuses on is romance. xD

 

Oh, like a quest available only to elves? I wouldn't necessarily be opposed. If it was balanced, sure...Or if one merchant favoured a warrior over a mage. I'd just like that it didn't tip the balance between who you created to the point where it sort of railroads you into a specific set up lest you miss  too much content.

[ArtemisMoons]

Oh, like a quest available only to elves? I wouldn't necessarily be opposed. If it was balanced, sure...Or if one merchant favoured a warrior over a mage. I'd just like that it didn't tip the balance between who you created to the point where it sort of railroads you into a specific set up lest you miss  too much content.

Since I intend multiple playthroughs, I don't mind cut content for certain paths as I like getting a new experience with each playthrough. lol

[Darth Krytie]

Since I intend multiple playthroughs, I don't mind cut content for certain paths as I like getting a new experience with each playthrough. lol

 

Same here. I always do multiple playthrough. I just don't want restricted content to end up with one heavily favoured build.

[Thomas Andresen]

Funny how so many people on these forums claims to be in favor of more RPG elements for this game, yet the moment those might start interfering with their ability to get with their waifu/husbando, all of that goes out the window...

How about you try to be constructive next time, huh?

That was quoted right from the wikia, where it says Dwarves believe themselves superior to the other races,  as one of the reasons why they don't mate with other species.  Perhaps I misquoted but since it was from the wiki, it would have been easy to see yourself.

To my knowledge, Varric never held to the racist beliefs of his people. That said, though I my recollection might not be solid, I think what he said(or might have said) to female Hawke was "humans aren't to my taste." I might have gotten the wording wrong, but I recall him being that specific. On the other hand, I could easily see how that might have been nothing more than an excuse to hide that he wasn't over "that girl", or whatever the case might be.

[daveliam]

I was hoping to see more opinions on race/class/gender restrictions in other areas than romance, but all anyone focuses on is romance. xD

 

Regarding romance, I'm not sure if it makes sense to restrict based on class.  Is someone's job really a deal breaker?  I guess, it could be for some people, but that doesn't strike me as terribly compelling.  And I think we've already discussed both gender and race in this conversation.

 

Oh, like a quest available only to elves? I wouldn't necessarily be opposed. If it was balanced, sure...Or if one merchant favoured a warrior over a mage. I'd just like that it didn't tip the balance between who you created to the point where it sort of railroads you into a specific set up lest you miss  too much content.

 

I kind of like the idea of both a race and class specific quest, kind of like the ones that you get in ME1 based on Shepard's background.  For those who aren't familiar, in the CC, you get to pick two aspects for Shepards background:  where s/he grew up and what his/her reputation was based on a past mission.  Then, later in the game, you get to experience two unique quests based on those decisions that fit the background.

 

Perhaps in DA: I, this could be based on race and class.  For example, a dwarven warrior would experience the dwarf and warrior sidequests.  An elven rogue would experience the elf and rogue sidequests.  A qunari rogue would experience the qunari sidequest and the same rogue sidequest as an elven rogue does.  The racial sidequests could be about the Inquisitor's upbringing and/or family; while the class sidequests could be related to either their immediate past before the game starts or could be related to something current (like a rogue inquisitor could be asked to do reconnaissance; while a mage inquisitor could be asked to research a powerful magical artifact; etc.).

 

I think that this could be interesting and promote some replay.

[ArtemisMoons]

Regarding romance, I'm not sure if it makes sense to restrict based on class.  Is someone's job really a deal breaker?  I guess, it could be for some people, but that doesn't strike me as terribly compelling.  And I think we've already discussed both gender and race in this conversation.

 

 

I kind of like the idea of both a race and class specific quest, kind of like the ones that you get in ME1 based on Shepard's background.  For those who aren't familiar, in the CC, you get to pick two aspects for Shepards background:  where s/he grew up and what his/her reputation was based on a past mission.  Then, later in the game, you get to experience two unique quests based on those decisions that fit the background.

 

Perhaps in DA: I, this could be based on race and class.  For example, a dwarven warrior would experience the dwarf and warrior sidequests.  An elven rogue would experience the elf and rogue sidequests.  A qunari rogue would experience the qunari sidequest and the same rogue sidequest as an elven rogue does.  The racial sidequests could be about the Inquisitor's upbringing and/or family; while the class sidequests could be related to either their immediate past before the game starts or could be related to something current (like a rogue inquisitor could be asked to do reconnaissance; while a mage inquisitor could be asked to research a powerful magical artifact; etc.).

 

I think that this could be interesting and promote some replay.

You do realize that I said I wanted to hear about restrictions NOT related to romance. ALL anyone seems to focus on is the romance aspect. I wanted to hear other people's thoughts on general content, which you ended up getting to when responding to someone who had responded to me. xD

[ArtemisMoons]

Same here. I always do multiple playthrough. I just don't want restricted content to end up with one heavily favoured build.

I agree.
I'd like to see different paths for each race, to be honest, but that's because I'll play them all. xD