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Tevinter & Par Vollen, will they make a move soon?


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At the moment, most of Andrastrian Thedas is in disarray. The templars and seekers are rebelling, which makes the Chantry militarily powerless until they can rein them in. Orlais, arguably the strongest of the Andrastrian nations, is embroiled in civil war. Ferelden is still recovering from a Blight. We know the veil tears will also take place over the Orlais/Ferelden area. The Free Marches have also suffered intense instability lately. 
 
So, my question is, doesn't this seem like a perfect time for Tevinter or Par Vollen to make a move? Do yo think they're still too wrapped up in their own, ongoing war to do anything? Do you think the next game could pertain to this? 

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i have a feeling that tevinter will make a move but from the shadows and in small forces


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Why didn't the Byzantine Empire take advantage of the Investiture Controversy to reconquer Italy and drive the Germans back north of the Alps?

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If it means we get to go to Tevinter, I'm down for w.e


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Why didn't the Byzantine Empire take advantage of the Investiture Controversy to reconquer Italy and drive the Germans back north of the Alps?

 

because the lords were a bit busy killing each other so that they could be the target of plots and assassinations,

 

in addition to the long defeat against the Turks

 

and then there was the fourth crusade....


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Tevinter would be foolish to invade southern thedas. A war on both fronts has almost never benefited any nation ever. Maybe the Qunari would eventually but probably only after they dealt with Tevinter.


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If it means we get to go to Tevinter, I'm down for w.e

 

Nope, bioware stated that repeatedly. 

 

 

Imo Tevinter and Par Vollen are not going to stop, and won't even notice what the DA:I protagonist would have done. 



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Maybe the Qunari would eventually but probably only after they dealt with Tevinter.

 

So never. 



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Nope, bioware stated that repeatedly. 

 

 

Imo Tevinter and Par Vollen are not going to stop, and won't even notice what the DA:I protagonist would have done. 

 

I meant in a future game.



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Tevinter would be foolish to invade southern thedas. A war on both fronts has almost never benefited any nation ever. Maybe the Qunari would eventually but probably only after they dealt with Tevinter.

What makes you think the Qunari are in a better position to win? If anything, I'd say the climate favors Tevinter. The Qunari had their slip up with the Free Marches, but Tevinter has a clean slate for mistakes, as far as we've seen, and it seems like the Chantry's problem serves most likely to strengthen trade and relations with the Dwarves. The dwarves being the only ones close to breaking the Quanari black powder formula, as we've seen a bit in past games. That could be a problem for the Qunari, if it pans out. 


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I meant in a future game.

 

Thedas is in disarray now, if they wanted to act now would be the best chance. When DA:I passes there won't be a reason to attack until the war is over. 



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If it means we get to go to Tevinter, I'm down for w.e

 

Well I am going to be a female qunari mage, so i bet they'll just love me lol , BRING ON THE CARNAGE WOO!! 


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Well I am going to be a female qunari mage, so i bet they'll just love me lol , BRING ON THE CARNAGE WOO!! 

 

lmfao!!! I love this


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Well I am going to be a female qunari mage, so i bet they'll just love me lol , BRING ON THE CARNAGE WOO!! 

 

Quite the carnage indeed.

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Thedas is in disarray now, if they wanted to act now would be the best chance. When DA:I passes there won't be a reason to attack until the war is over. 

Like I said, idc as long as I go to Tevinter eventually

 

@Cast don't pay any attention to Kain :angry:


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What makes you think the Qunari are in a better position to win? If anything, I'd say the climate favors Tevinter. The Qunari had their slip up with the Free Marches, but Tevinter has a clean slate for mistakes, as far as we've seen, and it seems like the Chantry's problem serves most likely to strengthen trade and relations with the Dwarves. The dwarves being the only ones close to breaking the Quanari black powder formula, as we've seen a bit in past games. That could be a problem for the Qunari, if it pans out. 

Correct me if Im wrong, but doesnt Tevinter consist only of Seheron now? In the words of Sun Tzu (I paraphrase here) "No matter the valiance of the smaller forces attack, the larger force will always be victorious," Besides the Qunari have explosives and as we can see by the world today, gunpowder will (almost) always win at the end of the day.



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Like I said, idc as long as I go to Tevinter eventually

 

@Cast don't pay any attention to Kain :angry:

 

Oh no its ok, that's just one more reason to blow up (or something of that nature) tevinter lol  


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Correct me if Im wrong, but doesnt Tevinter consist only of Seheron now? In the words of Sun Tzu (I paraphrase here) "No matter the valiance of the smaller forces attack, the larger force will always be victorious," Besides the Qunari have explosives and as we can see by the world today, gunpowder will (almost) always win at the end of the day.

 

Don't agree with that saying, don't agree that gunpowder can beat proper trained magic. 


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Oh no its ok, that's just one more reason to blow up (or something of that nature) tevinter lol  

 

Such a beautiful place, and you want to blow it up. Sigh


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because the lords were a bit busy killing each other so that they could be the target of plots and assassinations,
 
in addition to the long defeat against the Turks
 
and then there was the fourth crusade....


All that stuff happened after the Investiture Controversy was over. Some of it happened over a hundred years later.

In the first part of the eleventh century, the Empire was insanely powerful and extremely rich, and its leaders had recently spent several decades eradicating internal dissensions and other related issues. It was as well positioned as any country to 'take advantage' of the weakness of its neighbors. And many of those neighbors were very weak: the Buyids that ruled Iran and Mesopotamia, the scattered Turkic rulers of the Caucasus and Levant, the fragmenting Fatimid khilafa, the disunited emirates of Sicily, and the civil war-wracked HRE.

The problem is that projecting power is difficult, even more so in an era reliant on horse- and manpower to sustain campaigns rather than the internal combustion engine. In such a context, what might appear to be weakness from afar might not look the same when your troops are bogged down in a bloody stalemate half a continent away. Orlais and Tevinter are not very close to each other. The qunari aren't much closer. Also, wars aren't cheap, and plenty of rulers were averse to spending money just for a chance to roll the iron dice.

Finally, there are specific issues with getting there. It's well and good for one qunari dreadnought to make a jaunt down to the Waking Sea, but you can't sustain an invasion off of one dreadnought. You need local harbors to mount a campaign, and lots of dreadnoughts, and lots of troops. Would the qunari even have the shipping capability to fight a long war in the Free Marches, or Orlais? It's pretty dubious, and even if they did, for that kind of expenditure they'd probably need to have a lot more reason to go than "they look kinda weak-ish now". Fighting overland ain't any easier a proposition, because there are a few countries in the way. Nevarra might be dealing with its own issues at the moment, but fighting Nevarra in order to fight the Marchers and eventually Orlais or Ferelden...well, that's basically an attempt at continental conquest, and ain't nobody got the ability to try something like that.

Hence the Byzantine comparison. Sure, the HRE was weak in the eleventh century, but taking advantage of that weakness would have required a fairly incredible military commitment. It'd be unrealistic to take such a commitment for granted. A Byzantine Emperor would've been about as sanguine about his ability to take and hold Rome and Milan as a Tevinter archon would be about reclaiming Val Royeaux or Starkhaven - that is to say, "probably not very".

I fully expect that qunari or Tevinter agents will be involved in attempting to take advantage of the conflict in Orlais and Ferelden in some fashion, but an outright attempt at military conquest seems beyond the pale to me.
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Correct me if Im wrong, but doesnt Tevinter consist only of Seheron now? In the words of Sun Tzu (I paraphrase here) "No matter the valiance of the smaller forces attack, the larger force will always be victorious," Besides the Qunari have explosives and as we can see by the world today, gunpowder will (almost) always win at the end of the day.

Tevinter doesn't consist only of Seheron. That's just a small-ish island that Tevinter and Par Vollen are constantly fighting over most heavily. It's not either side's major asset. We don't have magic today, so it's not a very accurate comparison. But that's also sort of the point, the dwarves have made strong headway in discovering a way to make black powder. If Tevinter should strengthen relations with the Dwarves during the Chantry's downtime with the lyrium trade, or even if they should happen to steal the formula at any point by other means, the Qunari may be sunk. Their whole strategy hinges on this one advantage, which puts them in a precarious place in comparison to Tevinter, which doesn't really have an equitable weak point. 



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So never. 

 

Yes. If by "never" you mean "Soon".



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Yes. If by "never" you mean "Soon".

 

Soon the Qunari will realize that they made a big mistake. 



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Such a beautiful place, and you want to blow it up. Sigh

 

Jeff Dunham- Peanut: Polish a turd, it's still a turd!   :lol: 



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Jeff Dunham- Peanut: Polish a turd, it's still a turd!   :lol: 

 

Tevinter is not a ******, it shines like diamonds in the sky! Or something..