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[Ryzaki]

Yeees. XD

 

 

I feel like a female qunari is just meant to be sassy lol, no idea what it is but they definitely seem the "i dont need no man!" type of women

 

Yep.

[SerCambria358]

As long as they do it in similar fashion to that

 

 

It'd be interesting if we were given a choice of what to wear, with one of the outfits being influenced by the PC's race, especially with the emphasis on armor pieces changing depending on what race is wearing it. Just wishful speculation and hopes, i dont expect to see that at all

[Jedi Master of Orion]

To be honest any nation thats not Tevinter or Anderfels I really don't care about, I just happen to hate Orlais more due to my hatred for religion and dislike of french accents.

 

You hate religion yet you only care about the two places in Thedas where religion has probably the most exalted place in society?

[Texhnolyze101]

You hate religion yet you only care about the two places in Thedas where religion has probably the most exalted place in society?

 

I like the anderfels because of the lore behind it and its the home base of the wardens. And i like Tevinter because its the only place where mages govern themselves and don't bow to anyone plus i'm bias because i like mages and only mages.

[KainD]

I like the anderfels because of the lore behind it and its the home base of the wardens. And i like Tevinter because its the only place where mages govern themselves and don't bow to anyone plus i'm bias because i like mages and only mages.

 

Well we should get along well.

 

Unfortunately though, some mages do still bow to other mages in Tevinter. Not all mages care about all other mages. But hey if you are going to be buddies with someone better make sure it's a mage. 

[Texhnolyze101]

Well we should get along well.

 

Unfortunately though, some mages do still bow to other mages in Tevinter. Not all mages care about all other mages. But hey if you are going to be buddies with someone better make sure it's a mage. 

 

I want to play a Tevinter Magister so badly

[KainD]

I want to play a Tevinter Magister so badly

 

Me too.

[KainD]

Stop

Read a few earlier posts and holy..
Do you know what a troll is? You started it, for no good reason.

[KainD]

Why every Tevinter supporter portray him/herself as lunatic? Is it something in the water?

Bah, i guess it just the concept of supporting slavery and human sacrifices messes with brains.

People who have different views are lunatics.

[Lulupab]

People need to realize much worse things happened in real feudal societies than blood sacrifices. I laugh at the people who try to apply the norms of our post modern, post merchantile and democratic soceity to Thedas which is a medieval, pre-merchantile and feudal society. Tevinter is absolutely fine given the alternatives are not any better.

[renfrees]

Oh look, the extreme mage-lovers found each others under the banner of Tevinter. I knew it was bound to happen. Now you just need Xil for a full party.

[renfrees]

People need to realize much worse things happened in real feudal societies than blood sacrifices. I laugh at the people who try to apply the norms of our post modern, post merchantile and democratic soceity to Thedas which is a medieval, pre-merchantile and feudal society. Tevinter is absolutely fine given the alternatives are not any better.

Says the person, who applied the norms of Netherlands' freedoms to MvT situation. But you were defending mages, so it was ok, right?

Hypocrisy at its finest, and why am I not surprised to catch another mage on it? 

[KainD]

Oh look, the extreme mage-lovers found each others under the banner of Tevinter. I knew it was bound to happen. Now you just need Xil for a full party.

She doesn't like Tevinter.

[KainD]

Says the person, who applied the norms of Netherlands' freedoms to MvT situation. But you were defending mages, so it was ok, right?
Hypocrisy at its finest, and why am I not surprised to catch another mage on it?

Another? I'm not hypocritical. Nor is texhnolyze.

[renfrees]

Another? I'm not hypocritical. Nor is texhnolyze.

I wasn't speaking about the two of you.

[Lulupab]

Says the person, who applied the norms of Netherlands' freedoms to MvT situation. But you were defending mages, so it was ok, right?

Hypocrisy at its finest, and why am I not surprised to catch another mage on it? 

 

Lol, if memory serves me right I applied it to how Fereldan works not mage vs Templar debate and it was a mere small similarity. Fereldan is the most "liberal" of Thedas nations so it was a fitting one. You asked me how much freedom is ok and I told you my opinion about the limit of freedom.

 

I NEVER applied our norms to Thedas.

[KainD]

I wasn't speaking about the two of you.

Who's the another then? Haven't met many here.

[renfrees]

Lol, if memory serves me right I applied it to how Fereldan works not mage vs Templar debate and it was a mere small similarity. Fereldan is the most "liberal" of Thedas nations so it was a fitting one. You asked me how much freedom is ok and I told you my opinion about the limit of freedom.

 

I NEVER applied our norms to Thedas.

Memory doesn't serve you right. We were talking about mage freedoms, and you said, that in your opinion, which was based on your individual experience as a member of Netherlands society, mages deserve it full and ungoverned. Thus you applied your stance as a member of modern society to medieval fantasy environment, and now you call for exactly the opposite.

 

 

Who's the another then? Haven't met many here.

Xil.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Please try not to name drop people that aren't even a part of the discussion, especially to basically insult them. The discussion is mostly still about Tevinter, but just try not to let it drift away too much into rehashing the mage vs templar issue, generally. Maybe also try to rein the hostility in a bit. I'd rather the thread didn't get locked. 

[KainD]

Xil.

Xil wants complete freedom and equality for both mages and elves, and is against any slavery. Where's hypocrisy?

[Lulupab]

Memory doesn't serve you right. We were talking about mage freedoms, and you said, that in your opinion, which was based on your individual experience as a member of Netherlands society, mages deserve it full and ungoverned. Thus you applied your stance as a member of modern society to medieval fantasy environment, and now you call for exactly the opposite.

 

 

Xil.

 

No I said mages should govern themselves not go ungoverned. That alone makes you last two posts irrelevant and off-topic as its basically a wrong assumption.

[renfrees]

Xil wants complete freedom and equality for both mages and elves, and is against any slavery. Where's hypocrisy?

It was on topic of redemption and is not relevant to this thread. You just asked for name and i answered.

[Mister Gusty]

Or you know, it could just be personal musings on the Lore, given WOT plainly stated the Qunari were displaced, suffering logistical shortages, naval defeats and the loss of territory right up until the Felsimia Armada went and invaded Par Vollen, And then la poof.

 

More then a hundred and fifty years of war ends, they sue for peace.

 

._.

 

Just because i didn't take your baiting seriously, didn't mean i didn't know of what i speak.

 

6:30 Steel - The Qunari land in Par Vollen in massive numbers and handily conquer it - unbeknownst to the rest of the continent.

6:32 Steel - Qunari ships arrive en masse in Seheron and northern Rivain. The First Qunari War begins in earnest.

6:42 Steel - Qunari advances claim much of the Imperium, Rivain, and Antiva. They begin an assault on the Free Marches.

6:85 Steel - Human resistance finally manages to chip away at Qunari lines in Tevinter.

 

7:25 Storm - The first Exalted March on the Qunari is called by both the Imperial Chantry to retake Seheron and the Chantry to free RIvain.

7:52 Storm - The Second Exalted March on the Qunari ends in disaster, with the Qunari capturing most of Antiva.

7:54 Storm - The Qunari land in Estwatch and use it as a launching point for fleets of dreadnoughts.

7:55 Storm - Raiders from Llomerryn unite under the banner of the Felicisima Armada. Together, their pirate fleets help turn the tide against the Qunari at sea.

7:55 Storm - A third and final Exalted March on the Qunari is called.

7:56 Storm - The Qunari hit the Free Marches hard. Starkhaven and Ostwick are able to hold them back, but Kirkwall is invaded.

6:60 Storm - Kirkwall is liberated from Qunari invaders by famed chevalier Ser Michel Lafaille. He is appointed the city's first viscount. Kirkwall falls under Orlesian control.

7:78 Storm - The Felicisima Armada takes Estwatch following a massive naval battle with the Quanri.

7:84 Storm - Much of northern Thedas is laid waste in the decades of Qunari invasion. Rebuilding is considered more important than driving the Qunari from Kont-aar.

7:84 Storm - A meeting between the Quanri and envoys from all Thedosian nations except Tevinter is called in Llomerryn. The Llomerryn Accords are signed, ushering in an uneasy peace.

 

That is the entire timeline from WOT about the Qunari wars in Thedas, nowhere does it mention the massive defeat and rout of the Qunari. If that had happened then rest assured it would be mentioned, also Par Vollen was never significantly invaded by the Felicisima Armada as such a major event would be in the timeline, it is stated that the Armada did have seaborne invasions on the "Qunari coast", but does not say which Qunari coast as they held Par Vollen, Seheron, Estwatch, and Rivain at the time when they tried these invasions, most likely Estwatch, as it was soon after these "invasions"  that they captured it. It was the nations of Thedas that sued for peace after they decided rebuilding was more important then continuing a war with the Qunari.

[Master Warder Z_]

6:30 Steel - The Qunari land in Par Vollen in massive numbers and handily conquer it - unbeknownst to the rest of the continent.

6:32 Steel - Qunari ships arrive en masse in Seheron and northern Rivain. The First Qunari War begins in earnest.

6:42 Steel - Qunari advances claim much of the Imperium, Rivain, and Antiva. They begin an assault on the Free Marches.

6:85 Steel - Human resistance finally manages to chip away at Qunari lines in Tevinter.

 

7:25 Storm - The first Exalted March on the Qunari is called by both the Imperial Chantry to retake Seheron and the Chantry to free RIvain.

7:52 Storm - The Second Exalted March on the Qunari ends in disaster, with the Qunari capturing most of Antiva.

7:54 Storm - The Qunari land in Estwatch and use it as a launching point for fleets of dreadnoughts.

7:55 Storm - Raiders from Llomerryn unite under the banner of the Felicisima Armada. Together, their pirate fleets help turn the tide against the Qunari at sea.

7:55 Storm - A third and final Exalted March on the Qunari is called.

7:56 Storm - The Qunari hit the Free Marches hard. Starkhaven and Ostwick are able to hold them back, but Kirkwall is invaded.

6:60 Storm - Kirkwall is liberated from Qunari invaders by famed chevalier Ser Michel Lafaille. He is appointed the city's first viscount. Kirkwall falls under Orlesian control.

7:78 Storm - The Felicisima Armada takes Estwatch following a massive naval battle with the Quanri.

7:84 Storm - Much of northern Thedas is laid waste in the decades of Qunari invasion. Rebuilding is considered more important than driving the Qunari from Kont-aar.

7:84 Storm - A meeting between the Quanri and envoys from all Thedosian nations except Tevinter is called in Llomerryn. The Llomerryn Accords are signed, ushering in an uneasy peace.

 

That is the entire timeline from WOT about the Qunari wars in Thedas,

 

Yup, I included it in my prior summary on a different Qunari thread.

 

 

nowhere does it mention the massive defeat and rout of the Qunari. If that had happened then rest assured it would be mentioned

 

"Massive Naval battle that was lost by them." Factor in that they were reduced a singular front, Also you left out how the mass combination of slave revolts and Magister counterattack, broke the siege of Tevinter and allowed the Imperium to renter the war after their capital was besieged. Sure Bioware wasn't as cut and dry as "they picked a fight with a continent while it took near two centuries they were losing by the end of it." But that isn't exactly inaccurate either, The timeline though is as you said not definite proof of a "rout" but it isn't proof there wasn't a "rout" what is confirmed though is that they were shoved out of the Imperium, The free Marches, Antiva and only clung to Rivain which was under siege by the time the war ended.

 

 

also Par Vollen was never significantly invaded by the Felicisima Armada as such a major event would be in the timeline

 

It didn't mention a few events from other sources, Also the fact it's refered as "Coastlands" in this period of the war it either was Rivain, Sehron or Par Vollen. The Qunari were shoved out of everywhere else. I just assume and i admitted as much, that it was Par Vollen. And as for the scales of their "invasions" it isn't for you or i to say, because there wasn't any indication of it. So you can claim it wasn't "significantly" invaded or no, but the Lore doesn't specify.

 

 

 the nations of Thedas that sued for peace after they decided rebuilding was more important then continuing a war with the Qunari.

 

No, The Qunari retreated from Rivain and sued for Peace, Thedas agreed but they weren't pushing for it, Rebuilding was more important then wiping them from existence when near two centuries of war had devastated and bankrupted it. Its sad when the Imperium is the only Nation to take the long view of events.

 

Ultimately? I don't view as anything i said as patently inaccurate, perhaps a differing view from your own, but the Lore supports more or less everything i stated or it doesn't specific or offer clarification.

[SerCambria358]

 

No, The Qunari retreated from Rivain and sued for Peace, Thedas agreed but they weren't pushing for it, Rebuilding was more important then wiping them from existence when near two centuries of war had devastated and bankrupted it. Its sad when the Imperium is the only Nation to take the long view of events.

 

Ultimately? I don't view as anything i said as patently inaccurate, perhaps a differing view from your own, but the Lore supports more or less everything i stated or it doesn't specific or offer clarification.

No they didnt, ive already given you a support from the WoT that says the Qunari AGREED to due to civilian losses, they werent the ones who initially sued for peace. We're going in circles because you ignore supporting evidence.