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Tevinter & Par Vollen, will they make a move soon?


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How many cannons though?

The numbers I'd say up to a thousand in manpower approx.

 

Eh, I don't think you need much dedicated crew to operate an Oarship, You generally only need Oarmen for that role, So sixty of them would be a fair guess.

 

This isn't a modern warship.

 

You don't have communication, Bridge, Weapons and Engineering officers, You likely don't even have those departments.

 

I'd imagine this would fit more into the role of a 14-16th century navy, namely you have the deck crew and you have the commander, and then you have Marines.

 

Simple.



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Thousand muggle power you mean? 

I think the image shows 16 cannons each side.

Hm i see only 12, that's not too much for such a gigantic ship. Unless they are really massive in size. Medieval frigates and warships often carried from 26 to 40 cannons.



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 I thought by ironclad, you meant clad in iron and not the shape.  :blush:

 

It's fine dear, but even that isn't a prerequisite.

 

Ah...I can talk navy BS for a while longer, i am pleased this subject got brought up.

 

Pleasant diversion from other threads.



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That ship looks like it would burn well and like it could blow up if you target the cannon area with some fireballs. 



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Eh, I don't think you need much dedicated crew to operate an Oarship, You generally only need Oarmen for that role, So sixty of them would be a fair guess.

 

This isn't a modern warship.

 

You don't have communication, Bridge, Weapons and Engineering officers, You likely don't even have those departments.

 

I'd imagine this would fit more into the role of a 14-16th century navy, namely you have the deck crew and you have the commander, and then you have Marines.

 

Simple.

I was thinking more of a Marines, than crew. They looks like a troop carriers, not just warships.



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That ship looks like it would burn well and like it could blow up if you target the cannon area with some fireballs. 

 

Like that mission in COD where you sabotage the Tirpitz? Reminds me of Zaeed's mission about bringing down a Turian frigate.

 

I'd love to fight and sneak my way through a Qunari Dreadnought at port and bring one down.



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That ship looks like it would burn well and like it could blow up if you target the cannon area with some fireballs. 

 

Or some fire ships primed with the "Anders Special".


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I was thinking more of a Marines, than crew. They looks like a troop carriers, not just warships.

 

Yeah should be about 1k.



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I was thinking more of a Marines, than crew. They looks like a troop carriers, not just warships.

 

Probably a lot more Marines then crew.

 

For a warship like that, as i said you just need Oarsmen for crew.



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Like that mission in COD where you sabotage the Tirpitz? Reminds me of Zaeed's mission about bringing down a Turian frigate.

 

I'd love to fight and sneak my way through a Qunari Dreadnought at port and bring one down.

 

Wouldn't the blast work from outside?



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Or some fire ships primed with the "Anders Special".

 

A few hundred kilos of solid justice!



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They should be pretty clumsy, judging from their size, which is not the case, according to lore. Also, i don't see any masts or sails - means steam engine, or something entirely unknown?

 

Edit: no funnels too.



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They should be pretty clumsy, judging from their size, which is not the case, according to lore. Also, i don't see any masts or sails - means steam engine, or something entirely unknown?

 

Qunari muscles.



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Wouldn't the blast work from outside?

If it were that easy, they wouldn't build Dreadnoughts

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If it were that easy, they wouldn't build Dreadnoughts

 

Fighting mages is also not a very common occurrence even for Qunari, pretty sure that 95% of Tevinter forces is made of mundane slaves and mercs. Neither does the rest of Thedas has plenty mages to offer during the war. 



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Fighting mages is also not a very common occurrence even for Qunari, pretty sure that 95% of Tevinter forces is made of mundane slaves and mercs. Neither does the rest of Thedas has plenty mages to offer during the war. 

Or just mundanes. I'm sure they have something akin to Roman legions. And mages - yeah, elite troops, maybe 1 squad per legion?



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Fighting mages is also not a very common occurrence even for Qunari, pretty sure that 95% of Tevinter forces is made of mundane slaves and mercs. Neither does the rest of Thedas has plenty mages to offer during the war.

That's what I mean, they've had plenty of experience fighting some of the toughest mages in Thedas. If it took a simple fireball from one Mage, they wouldn't continue to make Dreadnoughts, I'm sure it takes quite a barrage considering they're only shooting fire, no solid object is hitting the ship

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That's what I mean, they've had plenty of experience fighting some of the toughest mages in Thedas. If it took a simple fireball from one Mage, they wouldn't continue to make Dreadnoughts, I'm sure it takes quite a barrage considering they're only shooting fire, no solid object is hitting the ship

 

Oh yeah sure, it takes a very powerful mage or a few mages casting a powerful fire spell. I'm just saying that is the best way to fight dreadnoughts Thedas currently has. 



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Oh yeah sure, it takes a very powerful mage or a few mages casting a powerful fire spell. I'm just saying that is the best way to fight dreadnoughts Thedas currently has.

oh yes no doubt.

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Ah reading through this thread is a good lark, one simple truth remains. when it comes down to it war stories are morality tales.

so we have

Tevinter: a nation that once ruled all of thedas despotically, but since its reformation has made no aggressive moves against any nation in thedas despite this hysterical belief that they want to take over again and of course slavery.

Qunari: basically a NAZI religion, discrimination against groups (Saarabas), eugenics programs, spread the ideology through warfare, superior tech, forced indoctrination, labour camps and overt sense of superiority.

 

Now we've already seen on a small scale attempts by the dev team attempts to redeem tevinter, presenting it in the form of the Dorian project. a good guy, Who wants to fix whats wrong with tevinter. So you remove slavery and what is really wrong with tevinter? can't be the magiocrisy(sp) because thedas all countries are feudal house's kings lords etc, and all of those ban mage's from ruling. there's no moral argument from there. claims that tevinter will try and take over are unfounded, there's no reason to suggest it tevinter has never been the aggressor in a war since the Glory age.

 

So if the reforms with slaves goes ahead what would a war been Tevinter and par volley look like? 

on one hand the only nation completely open to mages who hasn't been a aggressor in centuries thats been valiantly defending its lands from invading forces since its foundation, stood against blights, revolts marches, invasions since its founding. and has fought the Qunari threat for 200 years.

 

on the other? a nation of Horned NAZI's, who if they won would slaughter every mage in Tevinter. It's literally TAKE OVER THE WORLD vs the country that has stood as protectors of the realm for years conflict.

 

Given as every story needs a good (or less bad) guy and the US's whole deal with slavery, even in a fictional setting a country with slaves cannot be supported so the task is reshaping war mongering eugenics loving qunari we can easily see that Slavery will be abolished in Tevinter before this war is won. (in fact that's how they can win it freeing all slaves and getting them to fight with them against a common enemy)

 

I understand this forum has a strange love for qunari, mainly because they are alien i'd assume. But the fact is morally their pretty scummy people. you cannot have a group overtones of NAZIism win a war, you think the end of ME3 sparked outrage? this ending would be all over 24hr news channels.

 

I mean not only are these guys NAZI's but like the real NAZI's their seems no end to their evil war mongering way's, If Tevinter was to fall to the Qun the next country simply becomes the target.

 

Morally the Qunari cannot win such a war the bad guys winning? that would be like an option to have the archdemon win it lacks sense. But what about the people who love the Qunari? well sadly as we've seen earlier its a ton easier to redeem tevinter then it is the Qun. Fixing the Qun to make it palatable to most people would require so many changes that it wouldn't resemble the Qun at all. so the Answer becomes? make the Qunari more evil, frankly i'm not sure how they can be more evil then they already are without turning them into cartoon villains maybe have them make coats out of Mabari puppies? or have them kidnap people and have them kill defenceless children oh wait? oh i know Murder the just ruler of a city….. hmmm nope unless they become a pack of rapists dead puppies looks the go.



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Tevinter: a nation that once ruled all of thedas despotically, but since its reformation has made no aggressive moves against any nation in thedas despite this hysterical belief that they want to take over again and of course slavery.

That's because they're always busy with either Blights, slave revolts or Seheron. And yeah, you kinda forgot of blood sacrifices as a result of commonly practiced blood magic.



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The only changes to the Qun that need to be made is their forced conversion policy and their ideas of mages. You made it seem much worse, besides that they are nothing like Nazi's at all. Nazi's weren't accepting of any race, Nazi's didn't view each individual as equals, Nazi's don't view every life as a potential brother or sister. Your bias is showing pretty badly in that statement. They definitely have their moral faults but that doesn't make them Nazis in the least bit

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Morally the Qunari cannot win such a war the bad guys winning? that would be like an option to have the archdemon win it lacks sense. 

 

Nah, nah, not at all. I personally don't agree with Qunari philosophy and I hate their guts, I want to cut of their horns and stick them into their bums so they bleed to death, BUT their philosophy is a very legit way of life that one can agree with. They don't want to destroy the world, they want to live by a certain set of rules like we all do, just different rules, and they are willing to fight for it and believe in their ways. I respect them. 


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Tevinter: a nation that once ruled all of thedas despotically, but since its reformation has made no aggressive moves against any nation in thedas despite this hysterical belief that they want to take over again and of course slavery.

 

Uh, that's not really true. They've made efforts to subjugate Marcher cities. They conquered Starkhaven in the Glory Age, and Hunter Fell after the Fourth Blight. Plus a large part of the reason they haven't made the same attempts to conquer others as they did in their golden age is that they can't. The primitives they once subdued have risen into more powerful nation states and their own empire is in a slow inexorable decay.



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That's what I mean, they've had plenty of experience fighting some of the toughest mages in Thedas. If it took a simple fireball from one Mage, they wouldn't continue to make Dreadnoughts, I'm sure it takes quite a barrage considering they're only shooting fire, no solid object is hitting the ship

With Sandal as the lead-savant? the Qunari will lose half of their fleet! :D


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