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[renfrees]

Uh, the Chantry just blew their biggest resource against Qunari with allowing TMW to happen. Without mages Qunari wouldn't be driven back first time.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The nations of Thedas were not strong enough to defeat the Qunari outright last time, so it strikes me as unlikely they would be now that they would be weakened by Veil Tears and Civil Wars and the Chantry has splintered.

[renfrees]

I actually think the Qunari could launch a full stage invasion on Tevinter now, if they want. Considering TMW and Orlais' civil war, northerners are unlikely to receive help from the White Chantry.

[DKJaigen]

If i had actually had my way?

 

I would have had the Economies of Thedas crumble into ruin in the prior war to actually obliterate the Qunari from existence, i would sacrifice temporary reprieve and stability for the utter removal of the second most pressing threat to thedas. They were going broke rebuilding and funding campaigns already, but i would sacrifice Orlais, Nevarra, Definitely Tevinter to be rid of the Qunari for good.

 

New Flags will rise, New Leaders will be appointed.

 

Same **** different day, different names, but no Qunari this time.

 

always nice to sacrafice somebody else isnt it?

[Master Warder Z_]

In what way do the armies of Thedas match the Qunari military prowess?

 

Numbers, ability to make war and Logistics.

 

And they exceed them on all three, they don't match them, The individual Qunari soldier may be better, but that doesn't matter when Thedas can field a hundred for their one.

[Master Warder Z_]

I actually think the Qunari could launch a full stage invasion on Tevinter now, if they want. Considering TMW and Orlais' civil war, northerners are unlikely to receive help from the White Chantry.

 

Eh, Not in troops perhaps, but material support i could see.

 

Tevinter is depised by Thedas as large but its still their only Ally against the Qunari and they waged war together for near two centuries together against them, even if people have forgotten, i doubt rulers have.

[SerCambria358]

Numbers, ability to make war and Logistics.

 

And they exceed them on all three, they don't match them, The individual Qunari soldier may be better, but that doesn't matter when Thedas can field a hundred for their one.

How so, numbers yes thedas has more of course, but you're assuming they would form alliances with ease. As far as tacticians go, there are individuals in the Qun who's sole purpose for living is to serve as tacticians and with the ongoing conflicts with Tevinter, they're sure to be experienced. Discipline is another factor the the Qunari dominate in, you wont find any rebellions or mutinies among Qunari ranks. Weaponry is another Qunari advantage on a general level. I just dont see how these advantages go to Thedas, the only thing going for them is Numbers (if they band together) and Magic (although cannons+sarbaas match that out in my opinion)

[Master Warder Z_]

How so, numbers yes thedas has more of course, but you're assuming they would form alliances with ease. As far as tacticians go, there are individuals in the Qun who's sole purpose for living is to serve as tacticians and with the ongoing conflicts with Tevinter, they're sure to be experienced. Discipline is another factor the the Qunari dominate in, you wont find any rebellions or mutinies among Qunari ranks. Weaponry is another Qunari advantage on a general level. I just dont see how these advantages go to Thedas, the only thing going for them is Numbers (if they band together) and Magic (although cannons+sarbaas match that out in my opinion)

 

They more or less did in the prior war because of the Chantry, once the Mainland Thedas invasion began, the Chantry declared an exalted march within years of the initial landing, And that prompted the massive armies that combated and eventually routed the Qunari and eventually shoved them for the most part out of Thedas entirely, if you read WOT and the codex's, its relatively that Thedas was winning but too broke and economically devastated to continue the War, Only the Imperium had the Wisdom to see the Qunari like the darkspawn are an eternal enemy. As for tactics, they are relatively minute at the moment, there aren't going to be any Pattons, Models or Rommels of the Qunari, the resources and chain of officers that support their commanders do not exist yet. After all, What general magically knows the logistics, the manpower and combat capability of his army?

 

They had Gatlock weapons in the original qunari war along with their mages but it still was a notable enough tactic to use mages against them scholars centuries later to comment on.

 

And as for capaity to make war? Thedas is an entire continent, when it goes to war as a whole, it easily outstrips one ****Ing island, it goes to Thedas, same for population, and again as long as it has a unifying force like the Chantry, it can rally together in times of crisis, if not under the banner of an exalted march, then merely as the forces of Humanity.

[SerCambria358]

They more or less did in the prior war because of the Chantry, once the Mainland Thedas invasion began, the Chantry declared an exalted march within years of the initial landing, And that prompted the massive armies that combated and eventually routed the Qunari and eventually shoved them for the most part out of Thedas entirely, if you read WOT and the codex's, its relatively that Thedas was winning but too broke and economically devastated to continue the War, Only the Imperium had the Wisdom to see the Qunari like the darkspawn are an eternal enemy. As for tactics, they are relatively minute at the moment, there aren't going to be any Pattons, Models or Rommels of the Qunari, the resources and chain of officers that support their commanders do not exist yet. After all, What general magically knows the logistics, the manpower and combat capability of his army?

 

They had Gatlock weapons in the original qunari war along with their mages but it still was a notable enough tactic to use mages against them scholars centuries later to comment on.

 

And as for capaity to make war? Thedas is an entire continent, when it goes to war as a whole, it easily outstrips one ****Ing island, it goes to Thedas, same for population, and again as long as it has a unifying force like the Chantry, it can rally together in times of crisis, if not under the banner of an exalted march, then merely as the forces of Humanity.

They routed the Qunari because they were one group scattered across northern thedas. Any nation no matter how powerful, is spread thin, they can be beaten much easier. You see this anywhere in history (Persian, Greek, or Roman Empire) that is why once the Qunari gathered back into one place which was Rivain, Thedas couldnt budge them, with resources completely diminished, the truce was made. This is why the Qunari have a strong presence in Rivain despite the war 

 

Tevinter did not continue fighting because they saw them as "darkspawn" like, they continued fighting because the Qunari took both Par Vollen and Seheron from them, the treaty allowed the Qunari to keep land that they felt was theirs.

 

I dont think Thedas is as willing to unify as you think, but we need to see more of it to get a better idea of this.

[renfrees]

Eh, Not in troops perhaps, but material support i could see.

 

Tevinter is depised by Thedas as large but its still their only Ally against the Qunari and they waged war together for near two centuries together against them, even if people have forgotten, i doubt rulers have.

I doubt material support would do much for Tevinter, they need heavy meatshields and naval forces. Navy could be provided by Armada, but heavy infantry and cavalry are mostly Orlais and Chantry troops, which i doubt would be available.

[KainD]

I doubt material support would do much for Tevinter, they need heavy meatshields and naval forces. 

 

Nah, they just need less political mages and more battle mages on the field. Imo they should offer the broken circle mages to become their contract soldiers on the front line while offering them good wage, living conditions, proper military training. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Qunari never routed... Do you people even know what a rout is?

[Master Warder Z_]

The Qunari never routed... Do you people even know what a rout is?

 

The tactical destabilization and a complete inability to make war in that threater

 

My personal definition

[SerCambria358]

The tactical destabilization and a complete inability to make war in that threater

 

My personal definition

The actual definition "a disorderly retreat of defeated troops."

[EmperorSahlertz]

The tactical destabilization and a complete inability to make war in that threater

 

My personal definition

Which is both a wrong definition of rout AND an inaccurate description of the situation during the Qunari Wars...

[Cainhurst Crow]

What if tevinter and par vollen have their own problems to deal with at them moment?

[KainD]

What if tevinter and par vollen have their own problems to deal with at them moment?

 

Yeah they are each others problem. 

[renfrees]

Nah, they just need less political mages and more battle mages on the field. Imo they should offer the broken circle mages to become their contract soldiers on the front line while offering them good wage, living conditions, proper military training. 

Battlemages wouldn't offer much against ranged troops and doesn't have required armor protection to get close. Many Qunari are trained with throwing spears and bows as far as i recall.

[KainD]

Battlemages wouldn't offer much against ranged troops and doesn't have required armor protection to get close. Many Qunari are trained with throwing spears and bows as far as i recall.

 

Huh? Since when does ranged weaponry out-range magic? Also magic is the greatest defense. 

[renfrees]

Huh? Since when does ranged weaponry out-range magic? Also magic is the greatest defense. 

You either close the gap or stand and cast spells. Battlemage spec is useless from afar. And if you are counting solely on the defense, then i must tell you, that cannons surely outrange magic.

[The Baconer]

You either close the gap or stand and cast spells. Battlemage spec is useless from afar. And if you are counting solely on the defense, then i must tell you, that cannons surely outrange magic.

 

I think his use of the term "Battlemage" refers to their profession and training, as opposed to the literal in-game spec.

[KainD]

I think his use of the term "Battlemage" refers to their profession and training, as opposed to the literal in-game spec.

Yes. Military mage in other words.

[KainD]

cannons surely outrange magic.

I wouldn't be so sure, it replies on training again.

[Wolfen09]

mages tend to exhaust themselves fairly quickly, in terms of the novels...  i mean in the calling, fiona launches like 2 fireballs and 1 heal and shes exhausted to the point she cant cast....  felessan casts like 4 spells and has to lean on his staff to keep himself from falling over...  yeah get a bunch together and its a foe to be reckoned with, but to a seasoned tactician its easy to calculate a solution to defeating them...  plus from what i understand, seheron is 90% jungle, how often do you see ranks and formations of troops in jungles... no its all about getting the jump on your enemy and surprising them, which i think the qunari have an overwhelming advantage compared to tevinter

[KainD]

mages tend to exhaust themselves fairly quickly, in terms of the novels... i mean in the calling, fiona launches like 2 fireballs and 1 heal and shes exhausted to the point she cant cast.... felessan casts like 4 spells and has to lean on his staff to keep himself from falling over... yeah get a bunch together and its a foe to be reckoned with, but to a seasoned tactician its easy to calculate a solution to defeating them... plus from what i understand, seheron is 90% jungle, how often do you see ranks and formations of troops in jungles... no its all about getting the jump on your enemy and surprising them, which i think the qunari have an overwhelming advantage compared to tevinter

How much battle training did Fiona and Felessan have? How often do they fight?