And early cannons were actually quite often used agaisnt mass infantry. In these cases they used grapeshots, which technically are giant shotgun rounds, which tore entire units to pieces. Accuracy wasn't neccesary.
And using grapeshot against walls was largely pointless, furthermore it was primarily deployed against large blocks of pikemen who would have had little in the way of proper armor
and mobile
and made with magic and lyrium
Any military unit is mobile. Golems are not agile though, and as such are easy targets. And they may be made with magic and lyrium, but they still fall to simple swords. Cannon hits will destroy them.
Any military unit is mobile. Golems are not agile though, and as such are easy targets. And they may be made with magic and lyrium, but they still fall to simple swords. Cannon hits will destroy them.
That's a gameplay issue
I imagine things like magic, lyrium, and steel would be able to resist the blows of a canon, ironclad ships with only a few inches of steel plating could shrug off dozens of canon blasts
That's a gameplay issue
I imagine things like magic, lyrium, and steel would be able to resist the blows of a canon, ironclad ships with only a few inches of steel plating could shrug off dozens of canon blasts
Well, Ironclads had angled armor, while Steel Golems do not.
Well, Ironclads had angled armor, while Steel Golems do not.
They look like they do in some sections, like the shoulders and chest
They look like they do in some sections, like the shoulders and chest
You mean the chest armor that angles any shot it gets to the face. 
That's a gameplay issue
I imagine things like magic, lyrium, and steel would be able to resist the blows of a canon, ironclad ships with only a few inches of steel plating could shrug off dozens of canon blasts
The issue here is that you're saying the cannons wouldnt effect golems based on the cannons of reality, that doesnt apply to gaatlok. Gaatlok is more powerful than dwarven lyrium based explosives, im sure this is more than enough to take a dragon let alone a golem
The issue here is that you're saying the cannons wouldnt effect golems based on the cannons of reality, that doesnt apply to gaatlok. Gaatlok is more powerful than dwarven lyrium based explosives, im sure this is more than enough to take a dragon let alone a golem
And do we have any indication that gaatlok is more powerful than our real life gunpowder?
And do we have any indication that gaatlok is more powerful than our real life gunpowder?
We dont need to because comparing reality to DA is a fallacy. All we need to know is that golems have been taken down by less, gaatlok is probably the most powerful explosive substance known to Thedas, that in itself says it wont have trouble with golems
We dont need to because comparing reality to DA is a fallacy. All we need to know is that golems have been taken down by less, gaatlok is probably the most powerful explosive substance known to Thedas, that in itself says it wont have trouble with golems
That is several leaps in logic and a fallacy
A. We can't use the warden killing golems with his sword as evidence, that's a gameplay/story segregation, unless his sword is enchanted or something similar slashing a solid rock or steel behemoth will only dull his blade.
B. "Probably the most powerful" that's a ringing recommendation, and does nothing to solve whether its comparable in destructive power to gunpowder
That is several leaps in logic and a fallacy
A. We can't use the warden killing golems with his sword as evidence, that's a gameplay/story segregation, unless his sword is enchanted or something similar slashing a solid rock or steel behemoth will only dull his blade.
B. "Probably the most powerful" that's a ringing recommendation, and does nothing to solve whether its comparable in destructive power to gunpowder
A.) They've been destroyed before, how do you suggest they were destroyed and how do the means in which they were destroyed compare to gaatlok?
B.)Why does it need to be compared to gunpowder? Gunpowder doesnt exist in DA therefore doesnt need to be brought up when questioning how effective gaatlok is against stone and steel golems
Well, first of all don't forget, that Minrathous' golems aren't simple golems, but Juggernauts. Secondly, i don't think they were the sole reason the city held against Qunari siege. The disposition of Minrathous is very important factor, it lays on an island with a single bridge to create bottleneck. Its walls must also be heavily enchanted with all the generations of magic users. Last but not least, i think its harbor could be choked with sunken ships to prevent Qunari dreadnoughts from accessing the city.
That is several leaps in logic and a fallacy
A. We can't use the warden killing golems with his sword as evidence, that's a gameplay/story segregation, unless his sword is enchanted or something similar slashing a solid rock or steel behemoth will only dull his blade.
B. "Probably the most powerful" that's a ringing recommendation, and does nothing to solve whether its comparable in destructive power to gunpowder
We had Cassandra kill golems with a sword in the movie, so it is canon that they can be killed by them. I mean, how else would Darkspawn be able to defeat them?
A.) They've been destroyed before, how do you suggest they were destroyed and how do the means in which they were destroyed compare to gaatlok?
B.)Why does it need to be compared to gunpowder? Gunpowder doesnt exist in DA therefore doesnt need to be brought up when questioning how effective gaatlok is against stone and steel golems
For all we know golems have to be destroyed by magical means
I always just assumed that gaatlok is a slightly different mixture with some different ingredient names, if there is some major difference between the two I'' re-evaluate my stance
We had Cassandra destroy golems with a sword in the movie, so it is canon that they can be destroyed by them. I mean, how else would Darkspawn be able to defeat them?
Darkspawn have magic, pretty potent magic as well
hmmm didn't know about the movie...
Well, first of all don't forget, that Minrathous' golems aren't simple golems, but Juggernauts. Secondly, i don't think they were the sole reason the city held against Qunari siege. The disposition of Minrathous is very important factor, it lays on an island with a single bridge to create bottleneck. Its walls must also be heavily enchanted with all the generations of magic users. Last but not least, i think its harbor could be choked with sunken ships to prevent Qunari dreadnoughts from accessing the city.
I hope we get to destroy Minrathous.
For all we know golems have to be destroyed by magical means
I always just assumed that gaatlok is a slightly different mixture with some different ingredient names, if there is some major difference between the two I'' re-evaluate my stance
We dont know anything beyond the fact that its more powerful than lyrium based dwarven explosives, therefore we cant make any legitimate assumptions beyond that. Going by gameplay and lore, i disagree, an entire legion of golems wouldnt have been destroyed if their only vulnerability was magic. The darkspawn wouldnt have been able to beat them if that were the case
We dont know anything beyond the fact that its more powerful than lyrium based dwarven explosives (...)
We don't even know that, because that isn't even a fact.
We dont know anything beyond the fact that its more powerful than lyrium based dwarven explosives, therefore we cant make any legitimate assumptions beyond that. Going by gameplay and lore, i disagree, an entire legion of golems wouldnt have been destroyed if their only vulnerability was magic. The darkspawn wouldnt have been able to beat them if that were the case
The darkspawn do have basically unlimited cannon fodder they can use, and the darkspawn have their own brand of magic they could have used
I hope we get to destroy Minrathous.
Oh, count me in, definitely. Carthago delenda est, or so they say.
We don't even know that, because that isn't even a fact.
It says it in the wiki page on Qunari.
They have developed an explosive powder ("gaatlok") that is more effective than dwarven explosives based onlyrium.
We don't even know that, because that isn't even a fact.
Why wouldnt it be fact? Its supported by lore
It says it in the wiki page on Qunari.
They have developed an explosive powder ("gaatlok") that is more effective than dwarven explosives based onlyrium.
Right, a sentence that doesn't bear any citation while neither the games or WoT makes such a claim.
Why wouldnt it be fact? Its supported by lore
What lore?
The darkspawn do have basically unlimited cannon fodder they can use, and the darkspawn have their own brand of magic they could have used
That doesnt sound right to me, the amounts of darkspawn that would have died is ridiculous if we're assuming the only means to destroying a golem is with magic, not to mention, that is never said or hinted to in the lore. We cant make assumptions based off of your own hypothesis that has no supporting evidence. I dont see why a cannon ball fired from a substance more powerful than lyrium based explosives, cant destroy a golem. Honestly, you dont think gaatlok can effectively destroy a golem?
Right, a sentence that doesn't bear any citation while neither the games or WoT makes such a claim.
Why was the dwarf Javaris trying to get gaatlok when it isn't a superior product to dwarven explosives?
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