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#76
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that wasn't example. that was... counterexample.

 

you've said 

and i disagree. they could have done much more  :D

life of a PC blood mage is a stroll in the park, not a single moral challange.

 

about pain and death... yeah.. well, none of my blood bags complained, so i find that argument invalid.

 

Well if they did that then there wouldn't be dialogue options... pretty much pc don't suffer any consequences as i said not by being mage and other cases...

 

pretty much blood mages are in game just to be inasne villains.



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Well if they did that then there wouldn't be dialogue options... pretty much pc don't suffer any consequences as i said not by being mage and other cases...

 

pretty much blood mages are in game just to be inasne villains.

bah...

it's not blood magic's fault that mostly madmen/weaklings are drawn to it.

 

i'd be quite happy if my companion's approval went down on every blood sacrifice.


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True; that technically depends on Hawke making moral decisions as well.

 

Although as Varric lampshades at one point, Hawke and company kill a lot of people regardless.

 

Hawke using Blood Magic and Hawke throwing a fireball both leave enemies as smears on the pavement. Both are no worse than the other, except that the former serves as a greater risk to Hawke themselves?



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bah...

it's not blood magic's fault that mostly madmen/weaklings are drawn to it.

 

i'd be quite happy if my companion's approval went down on every blood sacrifice.

Well considering they went insane after they use blood magic it is pretty much same with dark side we have few exceptions in sea of insane of blood mages.



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Nah?
Power based on death and pain , attracts demons and in 98 % cases makes you insane giggling villain in 1,5 % it only makes you dumb and another 0,5 % stays unaffected
pretty much sounds like dark side...


I am an insane giggling villain, blood magic is awesome.

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I am an insane giggling villain, blood magic is awesome.

Well congratulations then you are one of those 98 % ;)



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Well congratulations then you are one of those 98 % ;)


I know, I'm very special.

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To be fair, the darkspawn aren't THAT big of a threat.
All the blights so far have been stopped. Some very fast.

Compared to the reapers, the darkspawn are "meh".

So I wouldn't call it so big of a threat that EVERYTHING is justified to fight it.


I respectfully, and strongly, disagree. I see the darkspawn as a threat against the known world. The aerial capabilities of the Archdemon can no longer be dealt with by griffins. The Fifth Blight was a stroke of luck because of Riordan, because it usually takes years to end the Blights.

They are a serious threat to all life, the darkspawn corrupt everything they touch on the surface (which is why Ines was studying a plant that was rumored to grow in Blighted soil), and they populate the fallen dwarven thaigs that run the entire expanse of the continent.

The Song is mainly what keeps them at bay, and there's no telling what will happen once the final Archdemons are destroyed. If all the darkspawn come to the surface at that point - possibly billions - it'll be a never-ending Blight. I think it's better to deal with them before it gets to that point.

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I respectfully, and strongly, disagree. I see the darkspawn as a threat against the known world. The aerial capabilities of the Archdemon can no longer be dealt with by griffins. The Fifth Blight was a stroke of luck because of Riordan, because it usually takes years to end the Blights.

They are a serious threat to all life, the darkspawn corrupt everything they touch on the surface (which is why Ines was studying a plant that was rumored to grow in Blighted soil), and they populate the fallen dwarven thaigs that run the entire expanse of the continent.

The Song is mainly what keeps them at bay, and there's no telling what will happen once the final Archdemons are destroyed. If all the darkspawn come to the surface at that point - possibly billions - it'll be a never-ending Blight. I think it's better to deal with them before it gets to that point.

To be fair, they would have no strategic coordination whatsoever and spend a lot of time fighting each other. While their sheer numbers and the taint would still probably doom Thedas, it wouldn't be completely hopeless with the proper preparations.



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I am an insane giggling villain, blood magic is awesome.

 

same tbh


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Self-awareness is a good trait for a villain to have.



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Self-awareness is a good trait for a villain to have.

 

First step is admitting



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Self-awareness is a good trait for a villain to have.

but insanity isn't ;)



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but insanity isn't ;)

 

and who is insane



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and who is insane

Well kain and you as you both admitted it ;)

 

but i assumed that we were talking about blood mages...



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Well kain and you as you both admitted it ;)

 

but i assumed that we were talking about blood mages...

 

I didn't admit to being insane, I admitted to being a bit villainous and thinking the concept of blood magic is quite brilliant.

 

but I assumed you were paying attention ;)


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I didn't admit to being insane, I admitted to being a bit villainous and thinking the concept of blood magic is quite brilliant.

 

but I assumed you were paying attention ;)

you joined to kain statment where he said that he is an isane giggling villain... blood magic brilliant pff just another corrupting force/power something like dark side to be honest many such thing were in fiction so not very brilliant...



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Well you joined to kain statment where he said that he is an isane giggling villain... blood magic brilliant pff just another corrupting force/power something like dark side to be honest many such thing were in fiction so not very brilliant...

 

I don't think he actually meant he's insane, TKS, you know that.

 

and I think it is, but it's your right to oppose my opinion just like it's mine to tell you I think it's more from your bias.


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I don't think he actually meant he's insane, TKS, you know that.

 

and I think it is, but it's your right to oppose my opinion just like it's mine to tell you I think it's more from your bias.

 

Well he said that and it isn't that this sentece is ambiguous.

 

Well it isn't to be honest it isn't even matter of opinion simple it is tormented concept for so long that it is basic concept...



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Some of my favourite choices in Bioware games have been those grey options that really make you think about your priorities in that situation. I agonised over Geth destroy/re-write option for entire mission. So i'm definitely hoping there will be a few really grey ambiguous options thrown in.



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Some of my favourite choices in Bioware games have been those grey options that really make you think about your priorities in that situation. I agonised over Geth destroy/re-write option for entire mission. So i'm definitely hoping there will be a few really grey ambiguous options thrown in.

Choices that I actually agonized over in ME were practically nonexistent. Only the Collector base really managed it; aside from that, nothing of what Renegade had to offer was ever tempting. DAO did a little better, as defiling the Ashes and keeping the Anvil both managed to be highly appealing to my desire to collect and keep lost knowledge, but DA2 went back to never having any of the "bad" options having anything to offer.



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I don't think he actually meant he's insane, TKS, you know that.


Nah I'm actually batsht insane, come join in, its fun.

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See this is why mages get a bad name for me i'd never do something as "evil" as blood magic, It appears pointless rather then slit my wrists to twist an enemies mind. I'd rather sit down with a nice cup of tea and calmly explain my position to my opponent as they beg for forgiveness from the confines of crushing prison.
 



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See this is why mages get a bad name for me i'd never do something as "evil" as blood magic, It appears pointless rather then slit my wrists to twist an enemies mind. I'd rather sit down with a nice cup of tea and calmly explain my position to my opponent as they beg for forgiveness from the confines of crushing prison.


Here's a better idea - you slit your enemies wrist and twist their mind. Win.

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Here's a better idea - you slit your enemies wrist and twist their mind. Win.

 

I prefer stabbing them with sharp things.  Blood Magic just looks like work.