I believe the point was that such a list doesn't explain much. I could write up a list of 20 bad things about ME3 myself; it might even have a few of the things from your list on it. Or a list for DA:O, or almost any other game. Wouldn't prove much of anything.
The real problem here is the people who can't deal with other people not liking something.
What, you don't like that statement? And how is it different from yours?
I have no particular dislike for that statement. You gotta justify yourself someway.
edit: I have no idea what happened there, but that was not proper English 
I have no particular dislike for that statement. You gotta justify yourself someway.
edit: I have no idea what happened there, but that was not proper English
Justify my dislike of the game?
Space combat would've been interesting, but I wonder how messy a game this would've been if it had a mix of two completely different types of gameplay.
I'm guessing that something like space battles that we can actually control would be guided more by our choices (who/what to send and where) on top of how adequately the fleet is prepared in total. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking something like a larger scale version of the suicide mission, where you can set a certain strategy with the fleets at your disposal and hope that you're playing to their strengths, but with something like the reapers, I don't really know how something like that would work.
Justify what? I'm not trying to be cute or anything, I'm genuinely confused
I'm just messing with you man. I just find it really hard to relate to what you do.
If I hated something so much I probably wouldn't even go to the forums. I'd go and play another game. But each to it's own.
I'm just messing with you man. I just find it really hard to relate to what you do.
If I hated something so much I probably wouldn't even go to the forums. I'd go and play another game. But each to it's own.
The real problem kind of lies with the reapers themselves. As a faction, they're problematic in that they just don't really mesh all that well with a shooter, so the closest thing to reapers we ever really fight in large numbers are their monsters, but shooting husks and whatever else can seem like kind of a waste, because in the end, you're just fighting off disposable mooks made of your own recycled people that the giant space monsters are tossing at you. So as goofy as the Collectors may seem, it seems to me that the game could only really do one of two things with the reapers in ME2: either have them invade at some point in that game and simply have a two-part story, or create "upgraded" reaper monsters to fight, yet again.
Agreed. Controllable space battles would have been a terrific addition to the series.I never saw their size as a problem. The way they handled it, definitely. We foot soldiers get to face their abominations, and our fleets get to face the Reaper fleet. Which is an interesting dynamic, considering our ships are being controlled by said foot soldiers and the Reapers are simply ships themselves.
However, the mistake comes in that the gameplay never gave us a chance to be a part of the high level battles between fleets. They only gave us the foot soldier experience. A major missed opportunity considering we're on the most advanced war ship, flying through outerspace, with a fleet at our command, against 2km tall sentient ships. I'm sorry, but there should've been some space combat missions based on that set-up alone. Directing our fleets against the Reaper capital ships and flying our own ship in a swarm of epic glory. RPG or shooter, whatever you consider Mass Effect, this type of mission was a no-brainer and would've went a long away to make everything come together and make it that much more epic. A sorely missed opportunity from a gameplay standpoint.
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I'm going to have the dissenting opinion here, and say that I'm glad Bioware didn't have controllable space battles. Besides the addition of RTS gameplay perhaps drawing resources away from other aspects of the game, it wouldn't make much sense lore-wise for Shepard to be commanding anything other than the Normandy. Shepard is the commander of a single warship rather than the commander-in-chief of the combined fleets. He (or she) isn't even an Admiral.
I hate to be the guy to pull the realism card, but there should be some rhyme and reason to the military chain-of-command. I'm not quite sure I like the idea of Commander Shepard playing Admiral Hackett's role.
I also do not think that commanding fleets should have been in the game, as well. Seriously, Commander Shepard is already a DC level hero as it is in the MEU.
But that doesn't also mean I think that the outcome of the fleet battle shouldn't have been shown more and affected more by war assets. I think there needed to be more influence in the fleet battle as the outcome of Shepard's actions for sure.
I'm going to have the dissenting opinion here, and say that I'm glad Bioware didn't have controllable space battles. Besides the addition of RTS gameplay perhaps drawing resources away from other aspects of the game, it wouldn't make much sense lore-wise for Shepard to be commanding anything other than the Normandy. Shepard is the commander of a single warship rather than the commander-in-chief of the combined fleets. He (or she) isn't even an Admiral.
I hate to be the guy to pull the realism card, but there should be some rhyme and reason to the military chain-of-command. I'm not quite sure I like the idea of Commander Shepard playing Admiral Hackett's role.
I confess that I'm writing this with the benefit of Hindsight, but I've often thought (and occasionally written on this forum), that a better plot for ME3 would be a small reaper invasion. This would be justified by the distance to Darkspace being so vast that the majority of the reapers had to donate their energy reserves to half a dozen capital ships to make a desperate one-way jump back to the galaxy. On arrival, these Reapers would be weakened by expending so much energy and would have to replenish themselves before assaulting the (mercifully Catalyst free) Citadel to reopen the Relay before the other Reapers starved for lack of energy.
This would, in my opinion, have a few advantages - Firstly, Sovereign would no longer retroactively look like an idiot for charging at the Citadel like a bull in a china shop when the other Reapers could fly in easily a few years later. This last jump would be a desperate gamble for the reapers, putting them at a significant disadvantage. Used only once all their other contingencies - the Keepers, Sovereign, the Collectors and the Alpha Relay had failed.
Secondly, a small number of depleted capital ships, while still a formidable threat, could have been realistically defeated by the Council fleets, without resorting to ridiculous contrivances like the Crucible and it's vulgar space magic. They could have been defeated by space battles wherein we pilot the Normandy directly, or perhaps we could have boarded some of the Reapers themselves and fought Collectors through a nightmarish landscape of cyborg viscera to reach their cores and fight each Reaper's equivalent of the human larva using traditional shooter gameplay as a boss fight.
Thirdly, a small group of Reapers could actually have some individual personality. They could have had unique designs as of at the end of ME2 and different voice actors. In addition to our old friend Harbinger as their leader, they could all have had suitably ominous names, like Behemoth, or Nemesis, or whatever. Rather than just being clones of Sovereign.
Fourthly, it would allow us to score a decisive victory, nicely rounding off the Trilogy, while still not quite destroying all the Reapers. Those Reapers that stayed behind in Darkspace might be assumed by the Galaxy to starve and freeze to death over time, but still might try to influence things from afar, perhaps providing a side quest or DLC plot for a future game.
I for one would have really liked this.
Limited resources might indeed be an issue during development. But to answer your second objection, we wouldn't necessarily have to "be" Shepard during those sequences. Just as we briefly took control of Joker during ME2, the narrative could find an excuse to let us do so again to pilot the Normandy. Similarly we could control the tactical / strategic elements as Hackett.
Much better, yes. Though you know, this is sort of our wish list here. I have a lot of things on the wish list. But this would have been fun.
I for one would have really liked this.
This would, in my opinion, have a few advantages - Firstly, Sovereign would no longer retroactively look like an idiot for charging at the Citadel like a bull in a china shop when the other Reapers could fly in easily a few years later. This last jump would be a desperate gamble for the reapers, putting them at a significant disadvantage. Used only once all their other contingencies - the Keepers, Sovereign, the Collectors and the Alpha Relay had failed.
I agree with this. For all the arguments about how the Catalyst retcons ME1, it's the way the reapers invade that really undermines it. The Catalyst can be handwaved or rationalized in any number of ways, but the same cannot be said for how they take the galaxy.
I agree with this. For all the arguments about how the Catalyst retcons ME1, it's the way the reapers invade that really undermines it. The Catalyst can be handwaved or rationalized in any number of ways, but the same cannot be said for how they take the galaxy.
I'm going to have the dissenting opinion here, and say that I'm glad Bioware didn't have controllable space battles. Besides the addition of RTS gameplay perhaps drawing resources away from other aspects of the game, it wouldn't make much sense lore-wise for Shepard to be commanding anything other than the Normandy. Shepard is the commander of a single warship rather than the commander-in-chief of the combined fleets. He (or she) isn't even an Admiral.
If people wanted to play an RTS game, they'd buy an RTS game.
I see nothing to be gained by this.
Tend to agree it can be hand wave by saying the Prothens sabotaged the signal too the citadel. But in retrospect in the first game Vigil tells you they go after the Citadel first. That's surprised warfare was done in ME1 but failed however, they still would go after the Citadel as it's fool proof. Plus, it holds the information they need in the invasion plan.... As such, this plan also takes down the government in one blow... The would've taken the citadel first not to mention the abilities that help them find worlds and such things...
The problem isn't that they didn't hit the Citadel first. It makes sense to hit Earth and Palaven first so they don't get hit from behind since they do have to go through the relays 1 at a time. What doesn't make sense is some of the bizarre tangents the invasion took. Bypass the Citadel and attack the Asari? Um... wouldn't that be easier the other way around. The Rachni? Are they anywhere near that important? Don't even want to touch the invasion from dark space.
Oh hello, this certainly takes me back... What you've done there, is you basically said "your opinion doesn't matter", only indirectly and in a quite smart way so that it doesn't look like it at first glance. Do you work in BioWare's PR department?
If I did, it'd be under the table, and I wouldn't be able to tell you anyway, right?
Your opinion matters as much as any other fan's. I was just curious to what degree you thought your list showed ME3 was a poor game. Since you say it's subjective that's cool. But when you post stuff like this:
Well, count me in then. The ending was rubbish. In fact, most of ME3 was rubbish. So if there are those who are still willing to kindly remind that to people, then good for them!
I get confused, because there's exactly zero people who need reminding of anything. They either like the game, in which case you're just projecting your opinion over theirs and being annoying, or they already agree with you. Now, if that was just a snarky way to say "I'm still upset about the game and want to post about it," then cool.
However, the access too the information is crucial to the invasion plan as it's a surprise take over. Yes, it's the cause of ME1 but they would still go after them as they did not have a back up plan. And it controls the relays, which they would win easily with people cut off from each other. It's a good battle plan and made sense compared too the plan they had in Me3. Yeah let's go in half cocked and do not cut people off from each other until the last minute. Yup that will work.
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