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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Do we rly need to see every old character from previous games for no reason like in da 2 where it was ridiculous

Sure, why not.

[TheKomandorShepard]

You have to figure at least people like Leliana and Alistair who have important roles (Right Hand to the Divine and King of Thedas) would be making appearances on official business so it's not really unexpected that you would be meeting them in one form or another (either through Seb in Faith or Tallis in Heart of the Many). With Nathaniel you have the fact that he is a Warden and decided to investigate your findings in the thaig from Act 1 and Zevran could have literally wound up anywhere while trying to outrun the crows, sure their appearances are not plot-important unlike Lel and Ali but they are providing interesting interactions and are imho just fun to do. I personally don't see the issue with bringing back past characters into future games, I have to wonder if you have issues with Flemeth and Morrigan having obviously large roles since this seems to bug you. 

 

EDIT: I updated my old reply several times because I got the names and numbers mixed up a few times 

 

And as i said im not against cameos it is even nice to see where are now certain peoples but i like a healthy amount of cameos pretty much like they did in daa what i said before but not like in da 2. So i don't mind leliana and don't mind alistair (as long he was king not warden and drunk) they are even important but cullen , bohdan and sandal and well every other returning character i wouldn't mind if that was 2 ,3 or 4 but more it starts look ridiculous and unbelievable because there is coincidence and there is something that like in da 2 where that looks like cheap plot with " it is destiny" .

 

Yes zevran and nathaniel would end everwhere in thedas oddly as every other 30 returning characters but every of them were in kirkwall and meet hawke oh what a coinci.... wait that coincidence nah that just stupid...

 

To be honest i don't mind morrigan as long she is involved in plot (and to be honest even if she isn't i wouldn't mind her as cameo as long it was one of few not dozens cameos) but i have a lot problems with flemeth 1 thing i don't like "im god you can't hurt me i always win i know everything and read scrit" but thats another matter her role in da 2 was meaninglessness i would to be honest take that if not another 40 cameos she was there to just be there and look important and play invincible villain and again that repeats move from previous game where she saved protagonist and well saves second protagonist i rly hope that bio won't continure that ridiculous that 3 protagonist will be saved by flemeth in dai...

 

So did i minded cameos that were well done like in daa answer is no did i minded ridiculous and overused cameos (read returning characters) in da 2 answer is yes.  

[Sifr]

Since Dragon Age 2 was set across a timespan of 7 years and characters like Bonny Lem and Sketch were last seen in Denerim around two or three years prior to Origins, surely that's ample time to find themselves in Kirkwall without it stretching credulity? Especially since travelling merchants and apostate mages tend to move around a lot.

 

Given that Kirkwall is one of the major ports of call close to Ferelden and that the three major locations we've seen these people in are Denerim (a port) and Amaranthine (yet another port), it makes some sense that you might run into the same crowd from time to time.

 

I will grant you that Leliana repeatedly showing up several times did irk me slightly since it seemed a little contrived, but most of the other characters were given valid reasons to appear when and where they did.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Since Dragon Age 2 was set across a timespan of 7 years and characters like Bonny Lem and Sketch were last seen in Denerim around two or three years prior to Origins, surely that's ample time to find themselves in Kirkwall without it stretching credulity? Especially since travelling merchants and apostate mages tend to move around a lot.

 

Given that Kirkwall is one of the major ports of call close to Ferelden and that the three major locations we've seen these people in are Denerim (a port) and Amaranthine (yet another port), it makes some sense that you might run into the same crowd from time to time.

 

I will grant you that Leliana repeatedly showing up several times did irk me slightly since it seemed a little contrived, but most of the other characters were given valid reasons to appear when and where they did.

 

EEE and every character drive up to kirkwall just to meet hakwe hm? as i said 1 , 2 ,3 character i can belive in that more than that is starts be more and more bul****  for example i could see sketch or bonny lem ok coincidence it happens it have sense and is realistic.But every character went to kirkwall and meet hawke please... 

 

Thedas don't have 1000 peoples in it even if there is probability that 1 of olds characters went to free marches then to kirkwall and then meet hawke which is already low but possible and do same with 40 other old characters crossed line of credibility a long time ago...

[Xetykins]

Ofc I want to see her again. Love watching those no nonsense, strong and powerful women. Err except when she was trying to woe Donnic, that was hilariously disastrous.

[TheKomandorShepard]

@TheKomandorShepard

 

Well personally I take no issues with previous characters returning (NPCs or otherwise playable). What you say makes sense to an extent, however it sounds like you're saying that Bioware took the entire Origins and Awakening ensemble of extras and dumped them into Kirkwall to work as filler characters. Sure I would be suspicious if I started bumping into past comrades like Shale, Oghren, Fenris, and Velanna and so on after only being in Orlais for the first 5 minutes of gameplay, but given DA's past handling of cameos I doubt that will be an issue. There will be a limit as to how many familiar faces we get (otherwise the writers in 2 could have gone hogwild with cameos instead of the official 4 that we got) and any returning characters will have some reason to be there be it official business, on the run, trading, etc it will serve some purpose..I seriously doubt Inquisition will give us 6 or more Bonny Lem or Sketch-esque (ala DA2) non-entities just for the sake of doing so. 

 

Every character from dao and daa? nah ridiculous amound of them yes. Thats not only bad thing about da setting sadly it seems that certain characters are too connected to each other creating a web that applies to old characters and even new and connection beetwen them. For example leliana knows sketch both meet hawke then leliana meet warden who is protagonist of first game (if you will seek you will find many connections beetwen warden and hawke like merril for DE ,being related to hawke for HM warden and meet many same characters) then leliana meet tallis that meet hawke.Then we have alistair and maric who is king and his father then fiona who is protagonist one of the books and minor character in another book. If you would put connections beetwen characters there you could see ridiculous web of connections. Well perhaps you won't get it but point is that setting rotates around certain characters like for example leiana or alistair and more mostly main character that have connection with another main character/s that have connections with another main characters.... 

 

An as i said there wasn't only 4 returning character there was a lot more....

[Sifr]

If we want to be technical, none of the returning characters who ended up in Kirkwall (aside from Alistair if he was King) went there specifically to meet Hawke, if anything, Hawke was the one who kept running into them.

[TheKomandorShepard]

If we want to be technical, none of the returning characters who ended up in Kirkwall (aside from Alistair if he was King) went there specifically to meet Hawke, if anything, Hawke was the one who kept running into them.

Which pretty much equal when it comes to plausibility world is huge place and chance meet individual with that requirements is very low but possible but 40 such characters is bull**** and add to that connections that i mentioned even more then. 

[Sifr]

But most videogame cameos tend to rely on these kinds of concidences. Realistically, in a galaxy filled with trillions of people, was it really likely that Shepard would continuously bump into Conrad Verner so many times? Or bump into Tali on their first mission post-resurrection in ME2? Heck, the entire plot of Witch Hunt (as much as I enjoyed it) relies on the contrived coincidence of the Warden having to search places that they've previously been to throughout Origins and Awakening, complete with lampshading.

 

But I fear we're going vastly off-topic. As long as Aveline's cameo makes sense, I wouldn't object to seeing her return in a future game.

[TheKomandorShepard]

But most videogame cameos tend to rely on these kinds of concidences. Realistically, in a galaxy filled with trillions of people, was it really likely that Shepard would continuously bump into Conrad Verner so many times? Or bump into Tali on their first mission post-resurrection in ME2? Heck, the entire plot of Witch Hunt (as much as I enjoyed it) relies on the contrived coincidence of the Warden having to search places that they've previously been to throughout Origins and Awakening, complete with lampshading.

 

But I fear we're going vastly off-topic. As long as Aveline's cameo makes sense, I wouldn't object to seeing her return in a future game.

 

If that was 2 individuals it would be credible in mass effect but it wasn't and well mass effect isn't rly good example.But to be honest many old characters were in place like for example tali with quarians in me 3 , council on citadel , wrex on (well i don't renember that planet) but some were very random i agree.

 

And well that waere places not characters so well the warden going to circle isn't something that would unlikely happen...

[WildOrchid]

Ugh no. A character showing up just for the sake of the character showing up is crappy writing to the max and horrible. It in fact ruins the character. ME2/3 and DA2 where filled with this crap that did more damage then good. It also makes the world much smaller.

 

 

A reason plot-wise? No, but there does need to be some kind of reason.

Aveline does have one if she shows up, if Isabela did say she was going to Orlais then that would be ok atleast for me

But having cameos just for the sake of it is a big No for me

 

Hmm, I see your points.

I still want to see Isabela though.

[daveliam]

So I'm a bit late to this thread.  While I really liked Aveline a lot, I don't need to see her again.  I'm kind of sick of pointless cameos.

 

That being said, Aveline was a fantastic character.  I loved that she became almost like an adopted sister to Hawke over the years, including the fact that she was overprotective and somewhat controlling.  I think she was really well written and believable.  Her relationship with Isabela was top notch.  I laugh every time the Arishok says he wants to kill Isabela and she responds with, "If anyone is going to kick her ass, it's me!"

 

I also felt the most sympathy for her at the end of DA 2.  She was a loyal friend and it cost what could have been a stable life:  married to a man she loves, employed in a position of regard in Kirkwall.  Now she's a fugitive on the run and, while I'm sure Donnic is with her, she has to start a new life again.  And, it's not even like she has a strong opinion either way about the mage-templar debate.  She was one of the more neutral characters in that conflict, but it still completely upended her life.

 

I love the idea that she returned to Ferelden with Donnic and was given a position within Alistair or Anora's royal guard.  That would make me happy for her.

[Roux]

Its actually one of the worst things you can do to a character.

 

 

Ugh no. A character showing up just for the sake of the character showing up is crappy writing to the max and horrible. It in fact ruins the character. ME2/3 and DA2 where filled with this crap that did more damage then good. It also makes the world much smaller.

 

I like how you guys made these statements as if you are the leading researchers in the field of character cameos. 

 

I'm all for cameos, given they make sense. Actually, scratch that. A cameo implies it will only be a brief, "hey, I still exist!" appearance. If old characters do appear, I want them to have actual roles of importance as opposed to tiny guest-star parts.  

 

Aveline, however, I'm not expecting to see in this installment. We'll see, I suppose.

[EmissaryofLies]

If Lady Man-Hands makes it, I better get that Izzy. 

[AresKeith]

If Lady Man-Hands makes it, I better get that Izzy. 

 

Does Isabela say anything about going to Orlais in DA2?

[EmissaryofLies]

Who knows?

 

She was with my main Hawke last I checked. And last I checked Captain Pretty Boy Cassandra and her sidekick bucky errr Leliana were a lookin' for Hawke. 

 

Would not be surprised to find her in the tavern talking to the copy paste watered down imitation of herself, namely the Sera. 

[daveliam]

Would not be surprised to find her in the tavern talking to the copy paste watered down imitation of herself, namely the Sera. 

 

Outside of the fact that Sera's a rogue and in one concept art appears to be telling a dirty joke in a tavern, how is she a "watered down imitation" of Isabela?  Her description from the leaked survey sounds nothing like Isabela except that maybe they are both a bit greedy. 

[DontWakeTheBear]

Hmm, I see your points.

I still want to see Isabela though.

Isabella will show up, if simply for the fact that she'll be able to say (potentially) that she's bedded the Warden, Hawk, and the Inquisitor, who else could claim that? 

 

I enjoyed Aveline and wouldn't be opposed or overly surprised to seeing her, but wouldn't be heartbroken not to see her.

[EmissaryofLies]

Outside of the fact that Sera's a rogue and in one concept art appears to be telling a dirty joke in a tavern, how is she a "watered down imitation" of Isabela?  Her description from the leaked survey sounds nothing like Isabela except that maybe they are both a bit greedy. 

 

She appears to be stealing her schtick. Which while hardly unique to rogues, rubs me the wrong way. 

 

I am not a fan of companions I like being taken from me and replaced by lesser sorts. 

 

I simply wish that I can leave her and her crude jokes right there in the tavern where they belong. 

[Hellion Rex]

Outside of the fact that Sera's a rogue and in one concept art appears to be telling a dirty joke in a tavern, how is she a "watered down imitation" of Isabela?  Her description from the leaked survey sounds nothing like Isabela except that maybe they are both a bit greedy. 

Indeed. Sera just sounds like a brat.

[Roux]

She appears to be stealing her schtick. Which while hardly unique to rogues, rubs me the wrong way. 

 

I am not a fan of companions I like being taken from me and replaced by lesser sorts. 

 

I simply wish that I can leave her and her crude jokes right there in the tavern where they belong. 

 

Funny you say that, considering Isabela herself was pretty much a Zevran proxy.

 

My impression of Sera wasn't very Isabela-like, but I suppose only time will tell.

[Roux]

Ugh, double post.

 

[EmissaryofLies]

Funny you say that, considering Isabela herself was pretty much a Zevran proxy.

 

My impression of Sera wasn't very Isabela-like, but I suppose only time will tell.

 

Isabela has more charisma and a natural likability about her. 

 

I don't get those vibes from Zev nor the Sera. 

 

Though you are correct; time will tell. 

 

Unfortunately, I've no good reason to believe that my opinion will change.

 

I read her description, I look at her, and I do not like it.