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[efd731]

Loved him in the books because despite my initial view on the character Patrick did an kickass job. Couldn't spot a thread for Orlais' número uno bad-ass, so here we are.

[Banxey]

I liked that he wasn't your typical moustache twirling villain, but I wouldn't call myself a fan. Patrick did do a great job with him though.

[ladyofpayne]

I am in his army too. Heis strong mmale character and he will be good ruler for Orlais.

[gangly369]

While there are certainly things about him that are appealing (his adherence to the Chevaliers code, for instance), I just can't get past the fact that he is ultimately a racist. So on my Dalish elf playthrough at least, I certainly won't be supporting him in any way

[Hanako Ikezawa]

While there are certainly things about him that are appealing (his adherence to the Chevaliers code, for instance), I just can't get past the fact that he is ultimately a racist. So on my Dalish elf playthrough at least, I certainly won't be supporting him in any way

I consider him being a Chevalier a Con rather than a Pro, myself.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

He and Lambert are both character types that get a big "nope" from me. 

[Sylvianus]

I'm only at page 303, but Gaspard didn't show he was more " racist " than any other orlesian to me, or human overall. I couldn't help but think that during half the book, ( where I am ) it was only Briala and Celene that said that with Gaspard everything would be horrible for elves. I didn't see much the point of view of Gaspard himself about the elves. Maybe, toward the end, I'll see more, I hope, because i'm not convinced.  I believe it could be more like " nothing will change for them " Yes, with Celene it would be probably better theoretically, but in the reality, i'm not sure. That is one thing to want something, that is another one to convince the nobles and her hostile people. And Celene cares a lot about her power. 

 

Also, elves are not better treated in Ferelden who live in alienages as if they were nothing. I'd say that most humans are biased against elves, and do not see them as equal. So this is not something I take into account. Elves can only rely on themselves. 

[ladyofpayne]

While there are certainly things about him that are appealing (his adherence to the Chevaliers code, for instance), I just can't get past the fact that he is ultimately a racist. So on my Dalish elf playthrough at least, I certainly won't be supporting him in any way

Everybody is rasits in Thedas. Remeber how Loghain sold elves like fruits.

 

Despite that- Gaspard uses his brain. If elves help him he will help them too.

[Sylvianus]

Everybody is racist in Thedas. 

 

Even the Dalish can't stand the " flat ears. " lol

[Ieldra]

I don't exactly like Gaspard, but he was well-written in the book. He's determined and intelligent, and even bluntly honest unless it would damage his Game. While not my support, he has my respect. If the characterization holds, we'll be able to side with him without feeling stupid, and when siding against him, killing him will be a regrettable necessity.

So while I don't think I'll ever be exactly a fan, I predict he may end up as one of my favorite characters. The rare type I could appreciate both as an ally and as an antagonist. Great!

[Augustei]

I havn't read the books yet, but I don't like his adherence to some thing called Honour? Sounds kind of dumb to me
 

[Ieldra]

I havn't read the books yet, but I don't like his adherence to some thing called Honour? Sounds kind of dumb to me

In fact, the chevalier code attempts to balance honor and expediency. I find it rather convincing. As for the concept itself, it is important, especially in professions where you are regularly called to do things regarded as evil in other circumstances (like killing people), because it indicates that there are things you wouldn't sacrifice for your goals. Also, a shared code of honor creates a feeling of community. I would judge a code of honor by what it actually requires or forbids you do to.

[jtav]

And Gaspard actually believes in his code, even when it costs him something. And he doesn't care that Michel is an elf-blooded commoner. Both earn big points from me, just as did Celene's treatment of the pikeman/scout. This civil war is all shades of gray and there's no right answer.

[Milan92]

And Gaspard actually believes in his code, even when it costs him something. And he doesn't care that Michel is an elf-blooded commoner. Both earn big points from me, just as did Celene's treatment of the pikeman/scout. This civil war is all shades of gray and there's no right answer.

 

Its interesting considering the Chevalier code is “Honor does not preclude tactics, and glory is not won through foolishness.”

 

So I guess that means Gaspard has his own version of it. Hopefully he is able to reform the Chevaliers into a more honourable faction if we are able to side with him in DA I.

[The Ascendant]

I find him to be a combination or Eddard Stark and Tywin Lannister from A Game of Thrones. Eddard, for being honourable and Tywin, for being a ruthless, calculating, politically savvy badass! Hmm.. I think he's mostly Tywin than anyone else. 

[Milan92]

I find him to be a combination or Eddard Stark and Tywin Lannister from A Game of Thrones. Eddard, for being honourable and Tywin, for being a ruthless, calculating, politically savvy badass! Hmm.. I think he's mostly Tywin than anyone else. 

 

Would explain why I can't help but imagine the Rains of Castamere song in the background everytime Gaspard appears

[ladyofpayne]

Would explain why I can't help but imagine the Rains of Castamere song in the background everytime Gaspard appears

I also see Tywin in him.

[efd731]

While there are certainly things about him that are appealing (his adherence to the Chevaliers code, for instance), I just can't get past the fact that he is ultimately a racist. So on my Dalish elf playthrough at least, I certainly won't be supporting him in any way

He's actually not a racist(IMO) he looks down on everybody equally. And there are some sections of the book where he shows growth(romanche and Michel) that bely the initial "angry stabby racist" vibes you'd expect. That and he utterly destroys celene at the "game" she is supposedly a master of. He wrecks her, he plays her, and earns the magnificent bastard trope in doing so.
Edit: I'm serious, if you haven't read the book, don't go believing celene is the only character with political acumen. Even with briala as her spymaster, Gaspard blindsides Celene repeatedly. He's the political version of the end of most M Night shyamalan movies.

[efd731]

He and Lambert are both character types that get a big "nope" from me.

Personally, lambert was easy to hate, gaspard was hard not to admire. I'll probably pick celene half of the time(because while she is progressive, she's also wishy washy)

[Divine Justinia V]

I can't lie, I imagined him as Gaston the whole time

 

[Steelcan]

Anyone who can be compared to both Ned and Tywin is win in my book

[Hanako Ikezawa]

In fact, the chevalier code attempts to balance honor and expediency. I find it rather convincing. As for the concept itself, it is important, especially in professions where you are regularly called to do things regarded as evil in other circumstances (like killing people), because it indicates that there are things you wouldn't sacrifice for your goals. Also, a shared code of honor creates a feeling of community. I would judge a code of honor by what it actually requires or forbids you do to.

An organization that allows its members to do whatever they feel like to those beneath them I would not say is something with honor.

[Sylvianus]

Gaspard is also a real man, he doesn't fear fighting with his men, despite being a pretender to the throne. He does not hesitate to risk his life.

Spoiler

I loved how as a leader, he fighted against the Sylvans.

 

 

As for Lambert, I didn't like him at all. I don't really see the comparison....

[Ieldra]

An organization that allows its members to do whatever they feel like to those beneath them I would not say is something with honor.

Historically, codes of honor only applied to equals, and the chevalier code reflects this. To see everyone as basically equal has been pretty much a non-existent concept for most of human history, and we still have elitist codes of honor today which only don't act out their condescension because prevented by the law. Clearly the standard attitude to those "beneath them" is inacceptable from our point of view, but what is and what's not honorable is defined by your culture, and if the law of your nation allows it and the idea of equal rights doesn't exist, what reason would you have to act differently?

[Hellion Rex]

An organization that allows its members to do whatever they feel like to those beneath them I would not say is something with honor.

In this sense, I do agree that the Chevalier Order is flawed. That being said, I still really like how Gaspard treats others with honor, including Michel, Briala, and even a lowly soldier.