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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Historically, codes of honor only applied to equals, and the chevalier code reflects this. To see everyone as basically equal has been pretty much a non-existent concept for most of human history, and we still have elitist codes of honor today which only don't act out their condescension because prevented by the law. Clearly the standard attitude to those "beneath them" is inacceptable from our point of view, but what is and what's not honorable is defined by your culture, and if the law of your nation allows it and the idea of equal rights doesn't exist, what reason would you have to act differently?

I know that, but they do not fit the definition of the word honor. 

[Divine Justinia V]

In this sense, I do agree that the Chevalier Order is flawed. That being said, I still really like how Gaspard treats others with honor, including Michel, Briala, and even a lowly soldier.

 

Eeeeh, he doesn't treat everyone with honor though. He picks and chooses, imo it's strategic.

[Master Warder Z_]

I want to see in game rendering of him.

 

...Sounded hot in the book 

[Hellion Rex]

I want to see in game rendering of him.

 

...Sounded hot in the book 

I won't deny he did certainly sound pretty attractive. Maybe we could even flirt with him lol

I could've sworn there was a concept art of him around here somewhere....gimme a sec to hunt him down.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

In this sense, I do agree that the Chevalier Order is flawed. That being said, I still really like how Gaspard treats others with honor, including Michel, Briala, and even a lowly soldier.

Let's just say I plan to do some...housecleaning with the Chevaliers.

[Sylvianus]

Anyway thinking honor, honor, honor, honor all the time is dumb. i wouldn't respect the Chevaliers if they favored honor above all to the detriment of intelligent strategy.

[Senya]

The Chevaliers sound like useful allies against a demonic invasion.

[Hellion Rex]

Let's just say I plan to do some...housecleaning with the Chevaliers.

Yeah...that initiation ceremony has got to go.

[Hellion Rex]

The Chevaliers sound like useful allies against a demonic invasion.

Oh definitely. Hold up, does anyone know if Gaspard has control of the Order, or do they still fall under Celene's dominion?

[Senya]

Oh definitely. Hold up, does anyone know if Gaspard has control of the Order, or do they still fall under Celene's dominion?

It's a feudal society so it depends on who they took their oaths to, I think. There were plenty of knights in medieval history who chose to fight against kings and queens because their lord decided to join the other side.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yeah...that initiation ceremony has got to go.

What was it again?

[Hellion Rex]

What was it again?

They go out to the slums and kill elves under the cover of night.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

They go out to the slums and kill elves under the cover of night.

I thought so. Yeah, I'm definitely going to be housecleaning. Maybe I should call my Inquisitor Archangel. 

[Master Warder Z_]

They go out to the slums and kill elves under the cover of night.

 

Ah what a wonderful hallowed and hale tradition.

 

That my friends is what makes an Empire an Empire.

[Hellion Rex]

Ah what a wonderful hallowed and hale tradition.

 

That my friends is what makes an Empire an Empire.

Kind of like Arlathan practicing slavery?

[Sylvianus]

We are not talking about the word honor that is earned through the good actions of a guy and who wins the admiration of the community.

 

The Chevaliers believe in a code of  " honor ", so rules written for them, for their group to which they identify . They see themself as honorable men if they respect scrupulously the code and their training where it have been edicted that some behaviors were their duty, were a part of their identity, a way of life which should affect them all their life. 

 

The word honor is used, because it is a virtue to truly respect the code as a chevalier in my opinion. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

We are not talking about the word honor that is earned through the good actions of a guy and who wins the admiration of the community.

 

The Chevaliers believe in a code of  " honor ", so rules written for them, for their group to which they identify . They see themself as honorable men if they respect scrupulously the code and their training where it have been edicted that some behaviors were their duty, were a part of their identity, a way of life which should affect them all their life. 

 

The word honor is used, because it is a virtue to truly respect the code as a chevalier in my opinion. 

That's not honor, that's hubris. 

[Sylvianus]

That's not honor, that's hubris. 

Care to elaborate ?

[Hellion Rex]

That's not honor, that's hubris. 

Disagree. I don't see what they strive for as arrogance.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Care to elaborate ?

You said:

 

 

"The Chevaliers believe in a code of  " honor ", so rules written for them, for their group to which they identify . They see themself as honorable men if they respect scrupulously the code and their training where it have been edicted that some behaviors were their duty, were a part of their identity, a way of life which should affect them all their life."

 

Which strikes me as very similar to:

 

Hubris (/ˈhjuːbrɪs/, also hybris, from ancient Greek ὕβρις), means extreme pride or self-confidence. Hubris often indicates a loss of contact with reality and an overestimation of one's own competence, accomplishments or capabilities, especially when the person exhibiting it is in a position of power.

[Ieldra]

I know that, but they do not fit the definition of the word honor.

Wrong. What is and is not honor is not defined by you, but by the culture that created that specific code of honor. That "honorable" means something different to you is irrelevant.

Edit:
And...err...your last post makes no sense at all.

[Hellion Rex]

You said:

 

 

"The Chevaliers believe in a code of  " honor ", so rules written for them, for their group to which they identify . They see themself as honorable men if they respect scrupulously the code and their training where it have been edicted that some behaviors were their duty, were a part of their identity, a way of life which should affect them all their life."

 

Which strikes me as very similar to:

 

Hubris (/ˈhjuːbrɪs/, also hybris, from ancient Greek ὕβρις), means extreme pride or self-confidence. Hubris often indicates a loss of contact with reality and an overestimation of one's own competence, accomplishments or capabilities, especially when the person exhibiting it is in a position of power.

They may be very self-confident, though I don't think it slips into the territory of hubris.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

They may be very self-confident, though I don't think it slips into the territory of hubris.

They have inflated vision of themselves, caused by their immunity to be prosecuted by authority. This causes them to think they are better than they really are, thus hubris.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Wrong. What is and is not honor is not defined by you, but by the culture that created that specific code of honor. That "honorable" means something different to you is irrelevant.

Edit:
And...err...your last post makes no sense at all.

I'm looking at dictionary definition, not personal interpretation of the word.

[Ieldra]

Also, in strongly stratified societies it *is* honorable to "give every person their due according to their station". That does mean unequal treatment, but it usually does not mean "being able to do anything to those beneath you", though it can happen in the case of slaves.