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[Hellion Rex]

This was not what I had in mind when I made this thread Elu......continue anyways

You know you love it, darling!

[efd731]

You know you love it, darling!

Shush you I'm a straight male "dude-bro" gamer! If my horizons broaden sufficiently my head might explode.

[efd731]

On topic, to mess with Justinian and Elu,maybe gaspard is dhmg! The fancy stache perfectly compliments his willingness to sacrifice for the good of Orlais. It is a mustache that says "the hair on my lip is worthy of more attention than your......what was it again, demon infestation?"

[Hellion Rex]

Shush you I'm a straight male "dude-bro" gamer! If my horizons broaden sufficiently my head might explode.

Come over to the gay side! We have cookies, and we sh*t rainbows!

[ladyofpayne]

I will be disappointed, guys. Gaspard loves woman only.

[efd731]

Come over to the gay side! We have cookies, and we sh*t rainbows!

I do like cookies....and with that "sten no"

[efd731]

I will be disappointed, guys. Gaspard loves woman only.

female human noble......and then he breaks it off for the good of Orlais. Much gnashing of teeth on the forums ensues

[Master Warder Z_]

Try to get rid of it you mean, Emperor Kordillus Drakon tried as well and he couldn't. Gaspard is certainly no Drakon.

 

He could be better then Drakon given he has no particular love for the Cult of Andraste.

 

He is not bound within the blanket of Faith, He see's what Thedas is.

 

A Chessboard that has lost it's King and it requires a replacement.

[Stella-Arc]

Celene was only the previous Emperor's neice, I think he had more obvious successors. Celene didn't inherit the throne because it was her right, she took it because she could.

 

It was her right and she took it through legitimacy (blood) and by winning the Hunt (the Game).

 

Thank you. =) I thought the same, but I didn't want to argue with people, but yeah there's no way Celene is the rightful queen. She Killed Florian the emperor, and won over her competitors, that's it. And during 20 years, she ruled the empire, but people contested her power.

 

Also, for me, Gaspard doesn't look like Stannis. 

 

Posted from another thread:

 

There were certain moments where things became muddy when it came to succession.

 

According to the lore before The Masked Empire, Celene had the least claim since she was the only child to the younger sister of the late Emperor Florian (older cousins and such). However, according to the World of Thedas, the title "Prince/Princess" is given to direct family members of the ruler, including siblings and children. Codex entries state that Celene's mother was the one related to the Emperor but in TME, the title is given to Celene's father, Prince Reynaud. We don't even know the mother's name. To make the situation even more confusing, the title of Grand Duke is given to those who were once prince/princess but are no longer related to the current emperor/empress. What gets me is that everyone thought Gaspard would take the throne but he doesn't have much claim to it, Celene does since she is related to Florian through either mother or father and her father was the Prince, making her a Princess. The book even claims that both Celene and Gaspard are distant cousins so even if Florian was still alive, he wouldn't be related to him since he isn't entirely related to Celene who is the full niece of the late Emperor Florian. 

 

So...yeah. 

 

 

New Thoughts: 

 

There could have been older cousins that had a higher claim but the only one we know for certain was Meghren. He was even mentioned during Briala's flashback. Meghren was the first cousin of Emperor Florian and as such, had a higher chance for the throne but as it was eloquently stated, his family bow was ruined (out of the Game). Which was why Duke Prosper mentioned that perhaps Celene could hunt for the Lion (the throne). From what I can gather and understand from the World of Thedas, Celene has a higher legitimacy than others. After all, her father was a Prince and her mother was the younger sibling of the former Emperor. For all we know, Celene's mother and Florian could have been the only children of the previous Emperor. To put it simply, Celene is on the direct line of succession. 

 

(Other Emperors Before)

                  I-----------------------I                 

                                 Emperor Etienne

                                 I                          I       

               Unknown Sibling*    Emperor Reville ---------- Unknown Spouse

                     I                 I                       I                    I

               Meghren     Ferdinand              

                                       I                       I                    I

                         Unknown daughter                         

                                                               I                    I

                                               Emperor Florian   Celene's Mother - Prince Reynauld

                                             (No Apparent Heirs)                             I

                                                                                             Empress Celene

                                                               

                                                              

As you can see, Celene is on the direct line to the throne. Gaspard is a distant cousin and as such, is not on the direct line.                     

 

I think the problem is that since both her parents were killed by the Game, that would mean she has no power to compete. After all, why would the other contenders worry about an orphaned 16 year-old? 

 

Boy, were they wrong. 

 

*While the "Unknown Sibling" is first, I am almost 100% certain that Reville is the older sibling since succession is passed on to the oldest (playing the Game notwithstanding). I placed the "US" first for space. 

[Divine Justinia V]

That gif is everything

[efd731]

That gif is everything

It peers Into my soul!

[Sylvianus]

@ Stella : Well written post that explains a thing enough complicated. I also realized that I misread wot,  I thought Grand Duke meant " directly related ", I checked it again and you are right, " it's no longer related "

 

Now, to be honest, legetimacy, I don't give a crap in Orlais since no one has the virtue to remain loyal, because of the " Game. " 

 

And I totally support Gaspard if he wants to get rid of the Game. " Someone failed a long time ago, so everyone is bound to fail isn't really a good argument in my eyes " there would be many good things impossible today if we followed that concept. ( Gaspard might fail but this isn't the point, at least he will try )

 

 

also i am disappointed because we don't much about the private life of Gaspard. :/

[lil yonce]

also i am disappointed because we don't much about the private life of Gaspard. :/

 

We know he's a widower. Do we know how his wife died though? I can't remember. Probably a "hunting accident". 

[Divine Justinia V]

We know he's a widower. Do we know how his wife died though? I can't remember. Probably a "hunting accident". 

 

Celene's father killed her for killing his wife/Celene's mother.

[lil yonce]

Celene's father killed her for killing his wife/Celene's mother.

 

Oh, thanks. I forgot about that. 

[Divine Justinia V]

Oh, thanks. I forgot about that. 

 

np

[Augustei]

He could be better then Drakon given he has no particular love for the Cult of Andraste.

 

He is not bound within the blanket of Faith, He see's what Thedas is.

 

A Chessboard that has lost it's King and it requires a replacement.

That doesn't make him better than Drakon, Drakon founding the Cult of Andraste's Chantry, giving the faith legitimacy and Organization making it a proper religion and having it based in his nation bound thedas to Orlais and empowered the nation above others, With The Divines based out of the Emperors capital, They have to acquiesce to the Imperials thrones wishes which gives the Emperors Divine legitimacy and support and a great deal of Cacus Bellis =D, Heck it gave him power in Tevinter (before they broke away much much later) As he had the "voice of Andraste" advocating Orlesian interests in the universal Orlesian Church. If Gaspard got rid of that he'd be a bloody idiot.
 

[Augustei]

@ Stella : Well written post that explains a thing enough complicated. I also realized that I misread wot,  I thought Grand Duke meant " directly related ", I checked it again and you are right, " it's no longer related "

 

Now, to be honest, legetimacy, I don't give a crap in Orlais since no one has the virtue to remain loyal, because of the " Game. " 

 

And I totally support Gaspard if he wants to get rid of the Game. " Someone failed a long time ago, so everyone is bound to fail isn't really a good argument in my eyes " there would be many good things impossible today if we followed that concept. ( Gaspard might fail but this isn't the point, at least he will try )

 

 

also i am disappointed because we don't much about the private life of Gaspard. :/

I wasn't suggesting he'd fail because attempts before have failed, I was stating my opinion that Gaspard is not as powerful or clever as Emperor Drakon who founded the Orlesian Empire, which started with him in a single city state to spanning all of current Orlais and The Anderfels, It would take a man greater then Drakon to get rid of the game and Imo Gaspard is not greater than Drakon.

[ladyofpayne]

There would'be no computers if no one tried to envent them.

[Augustei]

There would'be no computers if no one tried to envent them.

Such a reply indicates you didn't properly read my post. If someone smart and powerful failed to do something, then logic dictates someone less smart and less powerful cannot achive the failed goal. It would require someone better than that person, and Imo Gaspard is not better than Drakon.. Of course that doesn't me he shouldn't try, I'm just saying I dont see him suceeding

[ladyofpayne]

Such a reply indicates you didn't properly read my post. If someone smart and powerful failed to do something, then logic dictates someone less smart and less powerful cannot achive the failed goal. It would require someone better than that person, and Imo Gaspard is not better than Drakon.. Of course that doesn't me he shouldn't try, I'm just saying I dont see him suceeding

And so on? Gaspard is powerful and intelligent enough to suceeded. Also there is one important thing- luck. Plus Orlesian society different from Drakkon times and may be now this time fits for changes.

[Zered]

I like the man, a soldier at heart and a true warrior. Maybe not the perfect material for an emperor but still much more likeable then Celene.

 

Spoiler

loved it when he 'dueled' with the empress 'scout'.

[Master Warder Z_]

That doesn't make him better than Drakon, Drakon founding the Cult of Andraste's Chantry, giving the faith legitimacy and Organization making it a proper religion and having it based in his nation bound thedas to Orlais and empowered the nation above others, With The Divines based out of the Emperors capital, They have to acquiesce to the Imperials thrones wishes which gives the Emperors Divine legitimacy and support and a great deal of Cacus Bellis =D, Heck it gave him power in Tevinter (before they broke away much much later) As he had the "voice of Andraste" advocating Orlesian interests in the universal Orlesian Church. If Gaspard got rid of that he'd be a bloody idiot.
 

 

Now, he used a widespread political/ideological sentiment to unite people under his Banner, In truth of the day? He was acting head of the church until his death, He appointed the first Divine. he used what was then a wide spread but very diversified cult and united it. Gaspard will do the same through Nationalism, He doesn't need the Chantry to keep Orlais together it isn't a dozen warring Kingdoms anymore.

[Sylvianus]

@ Augustei; You do not know Drakron, you didn't know him, you never said " hello " to him. You only know Drakon' s success through the lore, a few lines about him. You don't know who helped him, if he had some good advisers behind him that told him what to do, how he exactly achieved those things etc etc. Context is everything. So the  " Gaspard is not as clever as him " is a bit irrelevant in my opinion . " A great hero failed to do something centuries ago, so other people will fail hard centuries after him, " is also something that doesn't hold a lot of water to me, without context. Also normal folks with limited intelligence can achieve great things if they are inspired; People can also learn from mistakes made in history, with better methods and solutions. People can try something new, in modern times, different from the past. The orlesian people can also react differently from those who lived in the past. Especially if they suffer a lot after the orlesian civil war.

 

If that is the only thing that makes you tell that he will fail, then you are not going to convince me because that does seem a bit ridiculous to me. ( To each its opinion. Peace ). Also the result isn't necessarily black and white, everything or nothing, you can have some results even if it isn't exaclty perfect.

[Zered]

This is how I imagine him with his troops