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[SwobyJ]

So much green

 

Very, very, very good issue. The way it seemed like she was dissipating into the stars at the end...

 

More direct message to Bioware : I want 'Kasumi' to be a future party member.  Even a central one.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Jesus, after two years and still they push their "art" with typical sledgehammer subtlety.

 

You mean the "art" that was not part of their original vision, and not the work of this comic's author(s)?

[The Sarendoctrinator]

So much green

 

Very, very, very good issue. The way it seemed like she was dissipating into the stars at the end...

 

More direct message to Bioware : I want 'Kasumi' to be a future party member.  Even a central one.

 

I really like the effects they used for cloaking. Very cool. 

 

Just curious, why did you put Kasumi's name in quotations? Thinking of preserving her memories like Keiji's for the sake of future ME protagonists? 

[SwobyJ]

I really like the effects they used for cloaking. Very cool. 

 

Just curious, why did you put Kasumi's name in quotations? Thinking of preserving her memories like Keiji's for the sake of future ME protagonists? 

 

Sort of the reverse. That we haven't met the full Kasumi yet.

 

Ask in PM if you want though - otherwise I'd go into full crazy thread derail territory.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Sort of the reverse. That we haven't met the full Kasumi yet.

 

Ask in PM if you want though - otherwise I'd go into full crazy thread derail territory.

 

*looks at your post and then your signature, then back to your post and again at your signature* 

 

I must know the answer. 

[CrutchCricket]

I actually thought the Kasumi/Keiji slide was kind of cool, though I don't totally understand what was meant by it. Maybe someone more familiar with the DLC's plotline would know. Are the memories that Kasumi retrieves, and the picture of Keiji shown in that slide, supposed to be a holographic projection of his memories or an AI created from his memories similar to the Shepalyst? 

 

It meant to imply the space magic in the green ending is so strong it brings Keiji back to life... from an imperfect, incomplete and possibly destroyed copy of his memories. It also underscores yet again how pathetically obsessed they made Kasumi out to be.

 

You mean the "art" that was not part of their original vision, and not the work of this comic's author(s)?

 

Both the "art" in the EC and the reinforcement of it here were approved (and possibly even asked for) by the same people who thought this nonsense up in the beginning. So yes, actually. It's all the same "art".

[The Sarendoctrinator]

It meant to imply the space magic in the green ending is so strong it brings Keiji back to life... from an imperfect, incomplete and possibly destroyed copy of his memories. It also underscores yet again how pathetically obsessed they made Kasumi out to be.

So... it's like the Shepalyst in that it was created from the original person's memories, but the green wave fusing all synthetics and organics made it more than an AI? Or maybe I'm just thinking about this too much and it's not supposed to make sense. The art seems like something that would symbolize two people being together in spirit, but that idea isn't a Synthesis-exclusive one. 

[PCThug]

Didn't Keiji encourage Kasumi to destroy the graybox in her loyalty mission? Am I misremembering that?

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Didn't Keiji encourage Kasumi to destroy the graybox in her loyalty mission? Am I misremembering that?

I didn't play the DLC, so I'm not sure what was said there, but in the comic Keiji tells Kasumi to find his memories so they can be together again. According to Keiji's page on the ME Wiki though, you are remembering correctly. 

 

And it might have answered my earlier question about the Kasumi/Keiji slide in Synthesis: 

"During the battle for Earth, if Shepard activates the Crucible and chooses to merge organic and synthetic life, and if the graybox was saved, an apparition of Keiji can be seen in the aftermath reunited with Kasumi." 

[SwobyJ]

The information in the comic, and in the DLC, doesn't entirely match.

 

DLC - Keiji warns Kasumi, and says she doesn't need some neural implant to know he'll always be with her

Foundation - "Get it back and we'll be together again"???

 

One can reason this as just Keiji wanting Kasumi to retrieve the greybox to meet him once more, where he can then virtually communicate to her to destroy the evidence.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

It meant to imply the space magic in the green ending is so strong it brings Keiji back to life... from an imperfect, incomplete and possibly destroyed copy of his memories. It also underscores yet again how pathetically obsessed they made Kasumi out to be.

 

Actually, the meaning of that slide is up for the player's interpretation. Quotable fact. All "implications" are subjective.
 
 

Both the "art" in the EC and the reinforcement of it here were approved (and possibly even asked for) by the same people who thought this nonsense up in the beginning. So yes, actually. It's all the same "art".

 

If you have some kind of insider status with the BioWare developers and know things that the rest of us don't, I'd love to hear about it.

 

Otherwise, you'll just have to settle for the information we do know rather than the ones you've made up in a fit of spite, and that includes the fact that the Kasumi EC slide is not Mac's brainchild. All he's doing here is piggybacking off of another guy's idea of the same thing, which is fine. Only problem I'm seeing here is that it makes an ending that you don't like look better, but we're stuck with what we got at this point, so anything that makes it look good is... well, good.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

The information in the comic, and in the DLC, doesn't entirely match.

 

DLC - Keiji warns Kasumi, and says she doesn't need some neural implant to know he'll always be with her

Foundation - "Get it back and we'll be together again"???

 

One can reason this as just Keiji wanting Kasumi to retrieve the greybox to meet him once more, where he can then virtually communicate to her to destroy the evidence.

Wow, I didn't know it was an implant. Just looked it up on the wiki, and the "extraction" scene makes more sense now - it wasn't entirely clear going by the comic alone without that info from the DLC. But the wiki describes it as snapshots of a person's memory that can be played as a video, which seems to be different from what Keiji was implying in the comic. Like I said before, his comments that they would be together again reminded me of watching the Synthesis slide on youtube, and that seems kind of... beyond the capabilities of a memory recorder, as far as he knew pre-ME2. 

 

And the graybox wiki page gives a different description of the slide! 

"At the conclusion of the war, if Keiji's graybox wasn't destroyed, then Kasumi can be seen holding either it or a holographic representation of Keiji, depending on Shepard's choice." 

^ Compared to the one I posted above, they have very different implications, with one being called a hologram and the other an apparition. 

 

Also, does anyone else think the graybox looks a little big to be a brain implant?  When I first read the comic, I just thought that was the extraction tool. 

[SwobyJ]

The Synthesis apparition is a new Keiji, built from all of his memories stored inside. Not him at all, but close enough for her to enjoy.

In Destroy or Control, if you kept the graybox, a virtual form of Keiji is constructed for her for her to be with. More like him, but not.

In Destroy or Control, if you destroyed the graybox, Kasumi looks at the graybox with sadness, remembering him as what he was.

 

They graybox likely outright replaces part of the brain - making it very dangerous to deal with, and if removed improperly, deadly.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

The Synthesis apparition is a new Keiji, built from all of his memories stored inside. Not him at all, but close enough for her to enjoy.

In Destroy or Control, if you kept the graybox, a virtual form of Keiji is constructed for her for her to be with. More like him, but not.

In Destroy or Control, if you destroyed the graybox, Kasumi looks at the graybox with sadness, remembering him as what he was.

 

They graybox likely outright replaces part of the brain - making it very dangerous to deal with, and if removed improperly, deadly.

That makes the Destroy/Control version (with graybox) sound better than Synthesis, actually. Do they get the same slide? 

 

And about the graybox, that sounds... disturbing. I guess the guy in the comic removed it improperly. 

[SwobyJ]

That makes the Destroy/Control version (with graybox) sound better than Synthesis, actually. Do they get the same slide? 

 

And about the graybox, that sounds... disturbing. I guess the guy in the comic removed it improperly. 

 

Destroying the graybox = he lives on in memory, being truly physically dead so she can try to move on. Kasumi keeps they graybox in the slide, but it isn't activated.

Keeping the graybox = he lives on in memory, but is also preserved by a virtual copy with a degree of accuracy, that she can hold onto. Kasumi keeps the graybox in the slide, but it is activated and as see VirtualKeiji.

Synthesis with the graybox = he lives on in memory, but is also brought to 'life' as a being that is like Keiji but not, as its own person, that Kasumi may fall in love with. She stands with him in the slide.

This new SynthKeiji works from a mix of Kasumi's feelings and Keiji's memories, instead of only one of the two. The question the player has to ask/answer is whether this is right to do, or whether she should move on (either staying in the illusion about him longer with the graybox, or facing the harsher reality without the graybox)

 

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Yeah, he just removed it improperly, not caring for Keiji's life. If it was removed safely, Keiji would have more likely survived, and still even kept his memories for Kasumi (because the graybox is mostly just a storage device).

[The Sarendoctrinator]

^ Thanks, that clears it up. 

 

I would lean towards keeping the memories of the graybox to watch in holographic form without creating a new Keiji, personally. 

[SwobyJ]

While I appreciate that choice, my personal inclination seems to be all or nothing. I don't want a fake-thing - I'd ether make a new-thing or not make anything at all.

 

Yep, I picked Synthesis and then Destroy over and over. I've never picked Control. Haha.

 

But since I picked Destroy and to keep the graybox.. yeah, she has a hologram still