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I've wondered this myself. I think it kind of started with people playing as mages and he is all flummoxed by your female mage. That's sort of fun. Then even though he's a jerk when he's trapped at the circle, he admits his crush on you. Then people made little romance mods with him. Not long ones but a bit more involved. Sort of centered around him being in love with the mage or having a soft spot for her. I think he says that it was the quickest harrowing he'd ever seen and people got a kick out of that. It's what the mages are saying when you are in the quarters after the harrowing when you wake up to Jowan annoying you. So it's kind of this whole little thing that people decided to play up. The mages imply they know he has a thing for her. That's sort of fun. You have to play as a female though. That's the key.
 
By the second game if you side with the templars he's pretty cool. If you side with the mages, he doesn't totally go against you. At least not by the end of the battle. Though honestly after the second game I did side with the templars because I felt there were too many mages turning to blood magic and merideth pushed them too far so there was really no way out. I did both sides and both sides suck. Mages turn. The first enchanter goes nuts. Then meredeth is bonkers with that lyrium idol. Really, the whole thing no matter what side you choose is just a disaster. Neither really looks good in the end but it is all meredith's fault. However, the thing about cullen in the second game that makes him a winner is that if you side with the templars, he clearly has his limits. He says that things were worse in Ferelden and that was the sort of situation where he could see annulment (I don't think he acknowledges whether or not you chose it) but that here it is nowhere near that bad. And this gives you more insight into him. He's become more balanced since the last game but he was traumatized in the last and with good reason. Here, he will stand up to meredeth when you side with templars because he sees she's gone to far. If you side with mages I don't think you get that dialogue. Or maybe you do. I can't remember. But he actually does stand up for the mages and against her at some point. That made me like him a lot more. And it kind of made me think back to why he was so hateful in game one.... he went through hell and watched massive deaths thanks to mages.
 
He's also balanced enough to listen to what hawke offers about that young templar. He's more like Gregor in that moment. I kind of liked gregor at the end of the circle run.
 
Again, this has more to do with the little illicit crush he had on the female mage character in game one and how much people got into it, which was quite a lot given some of the mods I've seen. Game two it seems they played to that by giving him more balance so he wasn't as much of an overt mage hater as he seemed in the first by the time you see him after outside the harrowing chamber.

  

Probably this.
 

 
Fangirls love that sort of thing, it isn't so much the character himself but the desire to be adored and worshiped by cute boys, why do you think the "swaying hips" banter between Wynne and Alistair is so popular?

  

He was kind of flirty with the mage Warden in DA:O, and girls (and apparently some guys) liked his voice and thought the character was handsome.
 
And thats all it is really. All the stuff about how interesting a character he is, you can disregard. If he looked like the Architect no one would be talking about him.
 
To be fair I'm not picking on Cullen fans here. I think thats true for fans of most romanceable characters. Ask them while they like a character and they start rattling off a number reasons except for the primary one...that they just thought the character was attractive.


I'm a straight male and I've no interest in romancing him. And yet I like him and find him (and his possible character development) interesting. I couldn't care less on how he looks like.
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lol seriously his haters sit around making multiple threads on the guy that almost always turn into yet another Mage/Templar debate that mods have to lock, yet his fans stick politely to the one thread that is dedicated to him.  I think it scares the trolls from daring to enter. they'll stick out like a black spot on a white canvas and end up getting themselves banned. ^_^

 

Wow. It never ceases to amaze how his detractors make more threads about the guy then his fans actually do. Regardless, we got our romance, so at the end of the day, we still win. ;)



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Actually--your Warden disappeared ie left him.

 

Or left him after making him King to go rule Amaranthine. And then they disappeared. 



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If you truly want constructive dialogue about Cullen, visit his discussion threads. They are not just fan threads. However, you seem to have a pretty set opinion of him already and that's fine. It's a valid viewpoint to you just as any viewpoint is to those holding them. Given this, I'm not sure you really want to discuss him. I doubt you want someone to change your mind. I know I wouldn't want my mind changed for me as I'd much rather come to my own conclusions. You're basically asking fans of Cullen to justify to you why they like him and I for one don't feel I owe it to anyone to explain. If you truly have an open mind about Cullen and wish to see a different perspective, come check it out for yourself. The Cullen thread is for discussing Cullen, not putting his fans on trial. :)
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I'm pretty sure the initial attraction was purely his cute crush on your Warden. He's young and cute and has a crush on you and is later a tortured soul, which is enough to amass a LOT of fan attention and more than any of the other characters you listed. That was really all it was up until DA2. In DA2 he gets much more of a personality and a purpose and the fact that he starts fluctuating between extreme mage fear and hate and questioning the Templar Order is interesting. They took a character people liked for kind of shallow reasons in DAO and fleshed him out, so now I'm not so confused about how much love he gets.

 

I'm sure he'll gain many more fans in DAI!

 

Edit: Also, I never understood just how ANGRY some people get over the love for Cullen. Like it makes them angry that people could possibly love a minor character so much. I get not understanding it but why does it get people so mad? 



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Or left him after making him King to go rule Amaranthine. And then they disappeared. 

Let's face it. The Warden has commitment issues.


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So much cullenvy. ;)

Seriously though, why does it bother you so much?
One person likes Cullen, another doesn't.
I like sugar in my tea, my colleague doesn't.
There is a group of people who like Cullen *a lot*. Why not spend your energy on being happy for them, instead of plotting '101 ways to kill Cullen' when DAI launches?
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So much cullenvy. ;)
Seriously though, why does it bother you so much?
One person likes Cullen, another doesn't.
I like sugar in my tea, my colleague doesn't.
There is a group of people who like Cullen *a lot*. Why not spend your energy on being happy for them, instead of plotting '101 ways to kill Cullen' when DAI launches?


Will you do the same for Tallis or Anora or any other character you may dislike if they are confirmed to show up in DAI? Because a lot of people preach but don't practice.

As for me, I'm not a fan, but it doesn't mean all my characters will automatically hate him on the spot. My pro Templar characters might like him, my pro mage characters might not, it all depends on his views on DAI.

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Will you do the same for Tallis or Anora or any other character you may dislike if they are confirmed to show up in DAI? Because a lot of people preach but don't practice.

As for me, I'm not a fan, but it doesn't mean all my characters will automatically hate him on the spot. My pro Templar characters might like him, my pro mage characters might not, it all depends on his views on DAI.

 

If they are in the game they are in the game. Besides I think it's good to have characters you hate, I didn't like half the cast of DA2 all that much (including Hawke) but I wouldn't want them out of the game. 



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He is not special, he is overrated, boring and simply average.
I hope that thousands of headcanons and idiolized portrayal of Cullen made by his fangirls will be shuttered in the coming game so I can snicker and gloat.
But since it is very likely he will be written by D. Gaider I am surely Cullen will be at least likeable
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Will you do the same for Tallis or Anora or any other character you may dislike if they are confirmed to show up in DAI? Because a lot of people preach but don't practice.

As for me, I'm not a fan, but it doesn't mean all my characters will automatically hate him on the spot. My pro Templar characters might like him, my pro mage characters might not, it all depends on his views on DAI.


I don't like Leliana but I have never once created a thread asking why people do like her. They like her. I don't care why they do because they aren't demanding I like her too. I also haven't made a thread bemoaning her inclusion in so many of the games. She's in them and she has a reason to be. Complaining about it isn't going to Chang this fact. The devs felt she was useful to their story. End of. I'm not going to go charge her fans with justifying their appreciation. And I have yet to see another character get as many "Why?" threads as Cullen and none by any of his fans. So yes, we practice what we preach.
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Never understood why people couldn't symply go to the Cullen thread, reading what his fans like about him, ( that's what I did silently ) and asking politely the question to the cullenites. 

 

I guess some people do need to draw attention to their contempt for this character ( and his fans ) feigning curiosity. 


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I don't like Leliana but I have never once created a thread asking why people do like her. They like her. I don't care why they do because they aren't demanding I like her too. I also haven't made a thread bemoaning her inclusion in so many of the games. She's in them and she has a reason to be. Complaining about it isn't going to Chang this fact. The devs felt she was useful to their story. End of. I'm not going to go charge her fans with justifying their appreciation. And I have yet to see another character get as many "Why?" threads as Cullen and none by any of his fans. So yes, we practice what we preach.

 

This. I hate Anders (like seriously hate) and I am not really that interested in Cole either but I accept that others like those characters and if they show up then good for them. 


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Will you do the same for Tallis or Anora or any other character you may dislike if they are confirmed to show up in DAI? Because a lot of people preach but don't practice.
As for me, I'm not a fan, but it doesn't mean all my characters will automatically hate him on the spot. My pro Templar characters might like him, my pro mage characters might not, it all depends on his views on DAI.

I don't like Tallis but I don't create threads asking people "why on *earth* would you like Tallis?" and expecting them to justify their opinions. (That may not have been OPs intention but I have seen threads which have done that)
If Tallis shows up in DAI the most you might get is an exasperated sigh from me, but I wouldn't have a problem with her being there.
The same applies to other characters - I'm ambivalent about Anora, but I don't have a particularly high opinion of her. I like Morrigan, but I don't entirely trust her.
I don't love those characters, but other people do and that's fine because 'Individual Differences'. I'm content to let those people love their characters in peace.

And I have no issue with a pro-Mage (or anti-Templar) Inquisitor wanting to kill Cullen. It when the *gamers* want to kill Cullen that I have to raise an eyebrow.

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If you truly want constructive dialogue about Cullen, visit his discussion threads. They are not just fan threads. However, you seem to have a pretty set opinion of him already and that's fine. It's a valid viewpoint to you just as any viewpoint is to those holding them. Given this, I'm not sure you really want to discuss him. I doubt you want someone to change your mind. I know I wouldn't want my mind changed for me as I'd much rather come to my own conclusions. You're basically asking fans of Cullen to justify to you why they like him and I for one don't feel I owe it to anyone to explain. If you truly have an open mind about Cullen and wish to see a different perspective, come check it out for yourself. The Cullen thread is for discussing Cullen, not putting his fans on trial. :)

You are rght, my opinion of him is fairly set, to me he's kinda "meh".  I created this thread more to find out why other people liked him, not to change my mind, my curiosity was about the other people, not cullen.  I did visit a few of the cullen appreciation threads, but they were mostly just fanart and "hey guys I see this is the new thread, lemmie get settled" or some similar varient.  I wasn't trying to be vicious or put anyone on trial, and as I said in the OP it was only 15% trolling.  As for that 15%, I just couldn't resist, its just such a huge target.  No offence was intended.

 

In light of the responses I've seen so far, let me pose a second question.  Why has cullen gotten so muct attention for a minor character when others haven't?  As Hazegurl said, Aira T'loak and Shiala both have a significant following, but the volume of internetspace devoted to those two combined is minute compared to that devoted to culllen, be it positive or negative.

 

The reasons I've heard for liking cullen (attractive, personaltiy, VA, story arc, w/e) are all valid and good even if they don't float my boat, but those are true for Aria and Shiala as well.  What's the difference?



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You are rght, my opinion of him is fairly set, to me he's kinda "meh".  I created this thread more to find out why other people liked him, not to change my mind, my curiosity was about the other people, not cullen.  I did visit a few of the cullen appreciation threads, but they were mostly just fanart and "hey guys I see this is the new thread, lemmie get settled" or some similar varient.  I wasn't trying to be vicious or put anyone on trial, and as I said in the OP it was only 15% trolling.  As for that 15%, I just couldn't resist, its just such a huge target.  No offence was intended.

 

In light of the responses I've seen so far, let me pose a second question.  Why has cullen gotten so muct attention for a minor character when others haven't?  As Hazegurl said, Aira T'loak and Shiala both have a significant following, but the volume of internetspace devoted to those two combined is minute compared to that devoted to culllen, be it positive or negative.

 

The reasons I've heard for liking cullen (attractive, personaltiy, VA, story arc, w/e) are all valid and good even if they don't float my boat, but those are true for Aria and Shiala as well.  What's the difference?

 

Well, if you and, lets say 10 others who wondered about Aria and Shiala's popularity, went onto those threads and each started a thread asking why they are popular within a two week period, then maybe people would think that.  I think that a big part of this is the people who don't understand Cullen's popularity.  I can't say for sure, but I would feel pretty confident that if we went back in the past month and counted each thread about Cullen, the "why is popular" or "Cullen hate" threads would probably outnumber those devoted to discussing him.

 

In fact, since I'm procrastinating now anyway, maybe I'll do that.....



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Am I the only one around here who thinks Cullen is not hot at all? NOT AT ALL. (straight girl here)

In my opinion, ever Keran is more handsome. I may have too high standards, since I don't find unmodded Alistair, Zevran, Anders, Fenris etc. attractive. I love their personalities, but not their default appearance... (Though all my mods are always very close to the original)

Wish people like Sigrun, Loghain, Teagan, Duncan had as much love as Cullen does...I know they don't appear in both games or just for a short moment, but they are awesome.
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Well, if you and, lets say 10 others who wondered about Aria and Shiala's popularity, went onto those threads and each started a thread asking why they are popular within a two week period, then maybe people would think that.  I think that a big part of this is the people who don't understand Cullen's popularity.  I can't say for sure, but I would feel pretty confident that if we went back in the past month and counted each thread about Cullen, the "why is popular" or "Cullen hate" threads would probably outnumber those devoted to discussing him.

 

In fact, since I'm procrastinating now anyway, maybe I'll do that.....

 

If your right, then it would be a self-sustaining cycle and Aria and Shiala simply haven't reached critical mass?

I as about cullen because I'm curious about the amount of attention he gets on the internet

My question gives him more attention on the internet, causing other people to become curious and start their own threads asking

 

Is that the gist of what your saying?



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If your right, then it would be a self-sustaining cycle and Aria and Shiala simply haven't reached critical mass?

I as about cullen because I'm curious about the amount of attention he gets on the internet

My question gives him more attention on the internet, causing other people to become curious and start their own threads asking

 

Is that the gist of what your saying?

Sounds about right to me, I find Cullen to be a moderately interesting character but don't feel strongly one way or the other, and his fans are fairly strong in his support, but it's his anti-supporters that make him such a big deal. Since the brief couple of months I've been on the forum I must have seen at least a dozen "Why is Cullen so great" threads and only about 3-4 Cullen fan threads, honestly anyone needing the question asked should just type "Cullen fans" into the search bar, you'll get all the threads you could possibly want and probably about 50 pages more than you actually need.



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i hope hes the main villain, or at least gets turned into one of those giant red templar monsters...  haha romance a glowing red abomination now!!!  wait, we already did that with anders....  yeah lets just move on


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If your right, then it would be a self-sustaining cycle and Aria and Shiala simply haven't reached critical mass?

I as about cullen because I'm curious about the amount of attention he gets on the internet

My question gives him more attention on the internet, causing other people to become curious and start their own threads asking

 

Is that the gist of what your saying?

 

Yeah, this is pretty much what I think.

 

So I'm totally procrastinating right now, but I like data, so I actually went through the three main boards (obviously not the announcements one) and I searched "Cullen" to see what came up. 

 

The "Feedback" Board didn't have any threads devoted to Cullen.

 

The "Story and Character" board had a lot of threads that came up in which Cullen was discussed, but not the focus of the thread.  However, 8 threads were about Cullen specifically.  2 of them were "love" threads for Cullen; 1 was a "hate" thread mocking Cullen fans; 2 were "neutral" threads just discussing Cullen without it being a love or hate approach; and 3 threads were asking why Cullen was so popular.

 

The "Scuttlebutt" board ended up with 40 pages of threads that came up when I searched for Cullen, so I only looked at the first 10 pages.   There were only6 Cullen-specific threads: 1 was a "love" thread; 3 were "hate" threads mocking Cullen fans; and 2 threads were asking why Cullen was so popular.  The rest of the threads just had Cullen being mentioned at some point within the thread.

 

So to summarize my very informal data.  On the BSN (All of "feedback" and "Story" boards and the first 10 pages of the "Scuttlebutt" board after searching for Cullen), there were:

 

* 14 threads dedicated specifically to Cullen

       * 3 were "love" threads

       * 2 were "neutral" discussion threads

       * 4 were "hate" threads mocking his fans

       * 5 were threads asking why he was so popular

 

So, yeah, it seems like almost 3/5 of the Cullen threads are either mocking his fans or asking why he is popular and less than 1/4 of them are "love" threads. 


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Thank God for the new search option lol



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Sounds about right to me, I find Cullen to be a moderately interesting character but don't feel strongly one way or the other, and his fans are fairly strong in his support, but it's his anti-supporters that make him such a big deal. Since the brief couple of months I've been on the forum I must have seen at least a dozen "Why is Cullen so great" threads and only about 3-4 Cullen fan threads, honestly anyone needing the question asked should just type "Cullen fans" into the search bar, you'll get all the threads you could possibly want and probably about 50 pages more than you actually need.

 

 

And all those threads could cause the creation of more threads.  When there is too much information on a subject, it can be very difficult to sort out what your actually looking for, so instead of browsing through a zillion cullen related threads for the ones with the info you want, you create a new one asking your specific question.  I know that's what I did, I looked through the first few pages of a couple of >100 page threads, didn't find what I was looking for and went "I could spend the rest of my life sorting through all this data, be quicker to just ask"  In doing so, I helped contribute to to the mass of cullen threads and will make it even harder for hte next gut with a question to find the answer without creating a whole new thread.  Oopsie?



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Thank God for the new search option lol

 

Yeah, that only took me about 15 minutes to do.  Now I need to find something else shiny to distract me from my work.....



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Yeah, that only took me about 15 minutes to do.  Now I need to find something else shiny to distract me from my work.....

Hmmm, look for DAI fanart on tumblr lol