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Never understood why people couldn't symply go to the Cullen thread, reading what his fans like about him, ( that's what I did silently ) and asking politely the question to the cullenites.

I guess some people do need to draw attention to their contempt for this character ( and his fans ) feigning curiosity.

This pretty much sums up what I said earlier. It's much easier to go and talk to ppl about him and they could help you understand what's so special, than to take up space on the forum by creating 3 and 4 threads on the same topic O.o

Point and click on the Cullen fan thread, it's not so hard. The ladies and gentlemen there don't bite.
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Why does anyone like anything? Who knows why something captures one person's imagination while it leaves another's soul cold. People are different and different things appeal to them.

If you want to know what is interesting about Cullen's character then I would point to his presence at two dramatic events of an abuse of power. Firstly Ulred's rebellion in the Ferelden Circle and secondly Meredith's annulment of the Kirkwall circle. That's a pretty unique experience of the whole Mage/ Templar crisis and I am interested to see what he thinks about things going forward.
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I have no idea. He looks like my dad when he was younger but without a cool mustache, and has creepy stalkerish qualities, and put Bethany in the tower... 

 

Yeah I really don't get it 


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You are rght, my opinion of him is fairly set, to me he's kinda "meh". I created this thread more to find out why other people liked him, not to change my mind, my curiosity was about the other people, not cullen. I did visit a few of the cullen appreciation threads, but they were mostly just fanart and "hey guys I see this is the new thread, lemmie get settled" or some similar varient. I wasn't trying to be vicious or put anyone on trial, and as I said in the OP it was only 15% trolling. As for that 15%, I just couldn't resist, its just such a huge target. No offence was intended.

In light of the responses I've seen so far, let me pose a second question. Why has cullen gotten so muct attention for a minor character when others haven't? As Hazegurl said, Aira T'loak and Shiala both have a significant following, but the volume of internetspace devoted to those two combined is minute compared to that devoted to culllen, be it positive or negative.

The reasons I've heard for liking cullen (attractive, personaltiy, VA, story arc, w/e) are all valid and good even if they don't float my boat, but those are true for Aria and Shiala as well. What's the difference?

I know the reason I have stayed with the Cullen threads for so long is because of the company there. We discuss many things. Most are related to the games as a whole and others are metaphorical where Cullen is the catalyst for such a topic but it evolves to include larger issues. That's why the thread page count is so high. As for his presence on the web? I couldn't say. I'm not on tumblr. Deviantart is the go to place for fanart as far as I'm aware. And Cullen is hardly unique in how much fanart he has.

Now you might be honestly curious and I applaud you taking the time to visit the threads. Admittedly they've been a bit focused on celebrating but we've recently learned he is to be in the game so we're excited, of course.

However, if sating curiosity is the majority of your reasons for making this post, you could have also just asked in the thread. A polite and civil query will receive an answer in kind. You know why I think you didn't? Because there you'd be walking "into the lion's den" so to speak. It wouldn't be a new topic at the top of the forum lists. Other Anti-Cullen supporters wouldn't know you're in there to back you up and you're afraid. That trolling is really 85% of your reason for making this post. You may not mean offense but I find it odd that you expect to have a group of people justify to you why they like something they like and not have them feel offended. Shall I go make "I don't get why people can't see the complex and intellectual story that Cullen could tell" topic? Just for balance?

Whether or not Cullen is special is a point of view and only those that hold it could answer you. Those who share your perspective could only parrot what you already think. Since your opinion is pretty set, you've established that those who have a differing point of view are being asked to defend their perspective. It happens often enough that it's beginning to feel like a trial to me. Ask your question in the Cullen thread. You won't be flamed or snubbed or bullied. You will be answered. You will be debated. And even if this doesn't change your mind about Cullen, you'll learn a thing or two about his fans. :)
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I know the reason I have stayed with the Cullen threads for so long is because of the company there. We discuss many things. Most are related to the games as a whole and others are metaphorical where Cullen is the catalyst for such a topic but it evolves to include larger issues. That's why the thread page count is so high. As for his presence on the web? I couldn't say. I'm not on tumblr. Deviantart is the go to place for fanart as far as I'm aware. And Cullen is hardly unique in how much fanart he has.

Now you might be honestly curious and I applaud you taking the time to visit the threads. Admittedly they've been a bit focused on celebrating but we've recently learned he is to be in the game so we're excited, of course.

However, if sating curiosity is the majority of your reasons for making this post, you could have also just asked in the thread. A polite and civil query will receive an answer in kind. You know why I think you didn't? Because there you'd be walking "into the lion's den" so to speak. It wouldn't be a new topic at the top of the forum lists. Other Anti-Cullen supporters wouldn't know you're in there to back you up and you're afraid. That trolling is really 85% of your reason for making this post. You may not mean offense but I find it odd that you expect to have a group of people justify to you why they like something they like and not have them feel offended. Shall I go make "I don't get why people can't see the complex and intellectual story that Cullen could tell" topic? Just for balance?

Whether or not Cullen is special is a point of view and only those that hold it could answer you. Those who share your perspective could only parrot what you already think. Since your opinion is pretty set, you've established that those who have a differing point of view are being asked to defend their perspective. It happens often enough that it's beginning to feel like a trial to me. Ask your question in the Cullen thread. You won't be flamed or snubbed or bullied. You will be answered. You will be debated. And even if this doesn't change your mind about Cullen, you'll learn a thing or two about his fans. :)

 

You are correct, I could have made this post in an existing thread, but I didn't think of it and it didn't seem to fit.  As I said, the threads I visited seemed to be about meeting with friends and fan art.  Nothing wrong with that, and it could be different on different pages of the threads, but I'm not going to browse through and entire 100 page thread to see if it has conversations about what I want in it.  After I browsed several threads on the topic and didn't find what I was looking for, it seemed reasonable to make a new one.  That may have been a mistake, but if so it was made out of ignorance, not malice.

 

As for expecting you to justify your feelings..., well yes and no.  Yes, I was curious as to why you felt that way and wanted to know your reasons, which I think is the foundation of any conversation worth having.  No, I didn't feel that your feelings were invalid unless they matched mine or unless you could provide logical justification for them.  I'm not "anti-cullen" I don't hope to have an opportunity to kill him in DAI, if one presents itself I probably won't take it, but I'm not pro-cullen either, and he probably won't be in my party unless I need a warrior and there aren't any others I like (unlikely with my inquisitor likely to be a warrior and both Iron Bull and the Gray Warden being warriors)

 

If you were to make a "why can't people see that cullen is awesome thread" (which I encourage you to do BTW, if only for the lulz), I would reply with much of what was in the OP, to me he seems bland and uninteresting, with little to set him apart from other characters in the series, along with the fact that I'm not fond of the "brave with steel but cowardly anywhere else archtype" (cullen, aveline, alistair, etc).  To me, there are two degrees of subjectivity in that opinion.  (since this entire thing is subjective, there is no objectivity, only degrees of subjectivity.  I can't believe I just wrote that sentence, I need to drop this philosophy class.)  The first degree is that he is a minor character, with little to separate him from other characters.  This IS subjective, but only moderately so.  For example, most would agree that he has been a minor character  so far.  The second degree is that I don't care for the archtype he seems to fall into, and that is utterly subjective and varies from person to person.

 

And while my opinion of cullen hasn't changed in light if this thread, I have learned more about the people who like cullen.  I have learned more of their reasons for liking him, (which was what I was initially curious about and why I created the thread).  I have also learned that much of the hype about cullen is a chain reaction, stemming from the content generating content cycle, which is fascinating, informative, and something that hadn't even crossed my mind before I started this thread.

 

Was I intimidated at the thought of venturing into the 100 page cullen thread?  no not really.  Did I want to browse through 100 pages of content in order to find what I was looking for? Definitely not.  The creation of this thread was more an  act of laziness, not cowardice  (which I think is reasonable, when you get 100 pages of content, having to search through all of it seems a little unreasonable.)



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You are correct, I could have made this post in an existing thread, but I didn't think of it and it didn't seem to fit. As I said, the threads I visited seemed to be about meeting with friends and fan art. Nothing wrong with that, and it could be different on different pages of the threads, but I'm not going to browse through and entire 100 page thread to see if it has conversations about what I want in it. After I browsed several threads on the topic and didn't find what I was looking for, it seemed reasonable to make a new one. That may have been a mistake, but if so it was made out of ignorance, not malice.

As for expecting you to justify your feelings..., well yes and no. Yes, I was curious as to why you felt that way and wanted to know your reasons, which I think is the foundation of any conversation worth having. No, I didn't feel that your feelings were invalid unless they matched mine or unless you could provide logical justification for them. I'm not "anti-cullen" I don't hope to have an opportunity to kill him in DAI, if one presents itself I probably won't take it, but I'm not pro-cullen either, and he probably won't be in my party unless I need a warrior and there aren't any others I like (unlikely with my inquisitor likely to be a warrior and both Iron Bull and the Gray Warden being warriors)

If you were to make a "why can't people see that cullen is awesome thread" (which I encourage you to do BTW, if only for the lulz), I would reply with much of what was in the OP, to me he seems bland and uninteresting, with little to set him apart from other characters in the series, along with the fact that I'm not fond of the "brave with steel but cowardly anywhere else archtype" (cullen, aveline, alistair, etc). To me, there are two degrees of subjectivity in that opinion. (since this entire thing is subjective, there is no objectivity, only degrees of subjectivity. I can't believe I just wrote that sentence, I need to drop this philosophy class.) The first degree is that he is a minor character, with little to separate him from other characters. This IS subjective, but only moderately so. For example, most would agree that he has been a minor character so far. The second degree is that I don't care for the archtype he seems to fall into, and that is utterly subjective and varies from person to person.

And while my opinion of cullen hasn't changed in light if this thread, I have learned more about the people who like cullen. I have learned more of their reasons for liking him, (which was what I was initially curious about and why I created the thread). I have also learned that much of the hype about cullen is a chain reaction, stemming from the content generating content cycle, which is fascinating, informative, and something that hadn't even crossed my mind before I started this thread.

Was I intimidated at the thought of venturing into the 100 page cullen thread? no not really. Did I tto browse through 100 pages of content in order to find what I was looking for? Definitely not. The creation of this thread was more an act of laziness, not cowardice (which I think is reasonable, when you get 100 pages of content, having to search through all of it seems a little unreasonable.)


My point was that you or anyone can come into the Cullen discussion threads and ask what his draw is for us. They are discussion threads. Even among ourselves we discuss him. We've had other non-Cullen fans come in and drop their question. A couple of them are regular posters! Some fans I think are not as Pro-Cullen as you might believe but more Pro-Cullen's-Story. I count myself in that category. There's a lot that needs to be dealt with - a story to be told. I am a fan of that first and foremost. Yes our thread gets silly and there is appreciation there but it is a discussion thread, not a fan thread or character appreciation thread. As long as people are respectful and civil, we happily engage any dialogue. If I've mistaken your laziness for trepidation, my apologies. But my point still stands. If you truly want to know, just come in and ask - it doesn't matter what we're discussing really because the topic has to come around to Cullen eventually because it is a Cullen discussion thread. :D
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I'm still not forgiving him for the whole "mages are not people" and the "tranquility is mercy" thing. And I still see his siding with Hawke as a coward's way out alive. I could be wrong about the latter but, whatever.


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I don't give a damn which one, I just want a fellow Templar bro!

Someone has to compensate for all those damn magic makers...
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Cullen wasn't this popular before. Threads like this is what makes him popular.



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I will say that I don't even like Cullen, but the discussion thread on him has always been quite welcoming (and I in turn have more or less kept my firebrand tendencies in check). As for why he's popular, I've never quite discerned that myself, but there are numerous reasons here already, I suppose.


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To the OP, this is just like asking, why does anyone find anyone attractive or appealing. It is subjective. IMO, Cullen is pretty much a broken coward in DAO, post-circle events. He does improve quite a bit in DA2, specifically by the end of the game when he stands up to Meredith. Still, you can't account for taste. While I think he is just a passable NPC, other people see the future of the Dragon Age series in him. And you know, who can say why. For the same reason that people want to taste Tali's sweat. Its just part of the territory. 



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Well he has that almost perfect balance of having a dominant and submissive personality. He can be awkward and cute on one end and can take charge when he needs to. I mean He is ok looking and he has a nice voice! I guess it helps that I am pro templar/circle. 



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This pretty much sums up what I said earlier. It's much easier to go and talk to ppl about him and they could help you understand what's so special, than to take up space on the forum by creating 3 and 4 threads on the same topic O.o

Point and click on the Cullen fan thread, it's not so hard. The ladies and gentlemen there don't bite.

 

This Cullen thread you think we should look in was started 4 days ago and has 4400 posts!! (Amazingly the majority of those posts seem to have been made by 20 or so people)  

Sorry but I'm not slogging through 1000 "Cullen is sooo hot!" or "Here, have a cookie!" posts to find a response to a simple question. So - thanks OP I think

 

Cullen's had like 12 lines over 2 games. He was ashamed he liked your female mage warden. He wanted to slaughter the Ferelden circle, and will slaughter the Kirkwall circle, but because he lets a mage Hawke go free he has character progression?  Yeah, I'm not seeing it.

 

AAAAnd  I'm sorta bummed because if we only get 2 male romances then one is unappealing for me immediately so-- great for you but stinks for me. And if the other man to romance is an elf or Varric, well...   :? 

 

So yes my dislike of Cullen and his "ites" is selfishness on my part.   :kissing:    


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Cullen's had like 12 lines over 2 games.

 

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He wanted to slaughter the Ferelden circle, and will slaughter the Kirkwall circle, but because he lets a mage Hawke go free he has character progression?  Yeah, I'm not seeing it.

 

Quite substantially more than 12 lines, actually.

 

Fresh from the trauma that had been inflicted on him, he did wish to slaughter the Ferelden Circle. However, he was against the annulment of the Kirkwall Circle and only participated in it because he didn't have another choice.

 

"He could have walked away!" Indeed, he could have walked away and been reduced to a penniless lyrium addict living on the street like Samson, because that's the leash the Chantry uses to keep its templars in line. And his refusal wouldn't have meant a damn thing, because the Kirkwall Annulment would have happened anyway.

 

And let's be clear: even though the Right of Annulment was unjustified in this case, some pretty nasty magics were unleashed in the battle that could have threatened a great deal of innocent lives. What if Orsino's Harvester had been set loose in Lowtown? That thing could have levelled half the city on its own.

 

Worse, by refusing to participate in the Rite of Annulment, that would have effectively resulted in Hawke standing alone against Meredith. You wouldn't just be fighting the Knight-Commander and her red lyrium monstrosities; you would also had to fight off her remaining templars. No one else jumped to Hawke's defence.


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This Cullen thread you think we should look in was started 4 days ago and has 4400 posts!! (Amazingly the majority of those posts seem to have been made by 20 or so people)
Sorry but I'm not slogging through 1000 "Cullen is sooo hot!" or "Here, have a cookie!" posts to find a response to a simple question. So - thanks OP I think

Cullen's had like 12 lines over 2 games. He was ashamed he liked your female mage warden. He wanted to slaughter the Ferelden circle, and will slaughter the Kirkwall circle, but because he lets a mage Hawke go free he has character progression? Yeah, I'm not seeing it.

AAAAnd I'm sorta bummed because if we only get 2 male romances then one is unappealing for me immediately so-- great for you but stinks for me. And if the other man to romance is an elf or Varric, well... :?

So yes my dislike of Cullen and his "ites" is selfishness on my part. :kissing:

Ugh, don't remind me that he is a LI.... It is a terrible fanservicey mistake IMHO. If the second male LI is Solas or mage my fem!Inquisitor will turn lesbian... Or chaste
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Ugh, don't remind me that he is a LI.... It is a terrible fanservicey mistake IMHO. If the second male LI is Solas or mage my fem!Inquisitor will turn lesbian... Or chaste

 

So if I'm translating this correctly, you mean to say, "If I don't get the LI that I want, but others do, it must be fanservice!"  Is that right?


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So if I'm translating this correctly, you mean to say, "If I don't get the LI that I want, but others do, it must be fanservice!" Is that right?

Let me see... A boring and average but crazily popular and overrated character gets a LI role in upcoming game, where all companions are supposed to be badass and politically important and a bunch of other completely new guys could potentially take both LI roles but they give it to a fan favourite...
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that is called a needless fanservice

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Some female fans have been asking for more content with Cullen for a long time. Many of us were disappointed by not being able to do anything about his crush on Amell/Sorana. He was sweet, and fun to tease. And really, how often can you get a man to run away in embarrassment after flirting with him? He's the shy, boy next door type. And they've done some interesting things with him since then. I felt he really grew as a character after DA2. It would take a lot of guts to support a pro-mage Hawke over Merideth, especially with his history at the circle. They've hinted at and teased us with bits of his character without going into any depth about it.

 

I suspect that he will be a fairly neutral party as far as the mage-templar war in Inquisition. He seemed to understand that not all mages resorted to blood magic, and calling demons in DA2. The fact that he helps a pro-mage Hawke has a lot of interesting connotations for the future. I would be disappointed if they did all of that character growth, and reverted him back to himself from Origins. But I'm hopeful that they'll keep moving his character forward.

 

Also, Greg Ellis. I'm not sure that needs any more explanation.



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Let me see... A boring and average but crazily popular and overrated character gets a LI role in upcoming game, where all companions are supposed to be badass and politically important and a bunch of other completely new guys could potentially take both LI roles but they give it to a fan favourite...
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that is called a needless fanservice

Yeah, he couldn't possibly have a story behind him, huh? :rolleyes:



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Let me see... A boring and average but crazily popular and overrated character gets a LI role in upcoming game, where all companions are supposed to be badass and politically important and a bunch of other completely new guys could potentially take both LI roles but they give it to a fan favourite...
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that is called a needless fanservice

 

Awesome.  Since you know exactly what role everyone is playing and how their stories are going to play out, PM me with some spoilers about the plot!


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Yeah, he couldn't possibly have a story behind him, huh? :rolleyes:

Sure, let's make sad teary story about his crush on some mage girl which exists only if you played as one. Let's kick the dead horse three games in a row though it's been ten years and most people would have forgotten about such a small crush, that's fun :3
Unless of course he has some terrible mystery aka batman... But seriously, who would believe in that?

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Awesome. Since you know exactly what role everyone is playing and how their stories are going to play out, PM me with some spoilers about the plot!

It doesn't make him as a character any less boring unless retconned

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Yes, Bioware is obviously bringing back the character so they can do absolutely nothing with him. There's NO REASON a templar character could be at all relevant to a story where one of the major factions is the Red Templars, let alone a templar character who is one of the few people in Thedas to have witnessed the power of red lyrium firsthand.

 

Blandy McBlanderson is just there for the fanservice. Your conversations with him will probably be about his favourite recipes for Ramen noodles.

 

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Yes, Bioware is obviously bringing back the character to do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING with him. There's NO REASON a templar character could be at all relevant to a game where one of your major opponents will be the Red Templars, let alone a templar character who is one of the few people in Thedas to have witnessed the power of red lyrium firsthand.

Blandy McBlanderson is just there for the fanservice. Your conversations with him will probably be about his favourite recipes for ramen noodles.

That makes him useful, not interesting. We could get a new templar character, Cassandra underwent templar training.
What makes Cullen worthy of being companion or LI except his enormous fan base? Nothing

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Yes, Bioware is obviously bringing back the character so they can do absolutely nothing with him. There's NO REASON a templar character could be at all relevant to a story where one of the major factions is the Red Templars, let alone a templar character who is one of the few people in Thedas to have witnessed the power of red lyrium firsthand.

 

Blandy McBlanderson is just there for the fanservice. Your conversations with him will probably be about his favourite recipes for Ramen noodles.

 

:pinched:

 

Yes because he is only templar in thedas and he was in 3 games because well for squee? I don't see any reason to be in third games in 3 diffrent countries with 3 different protagonists when guy in practice is no one not mention that his intelligence is questionable as well competencies. Guy would be just be easily be replaced by any other random templar he is just for fanservice...