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[Panda]

The thing is, none of the people in the games you mentioned know anything about the organization and, even then, a lot has happened since then. 

 

I'm not really trying to convince you to like the character concept, though. Everyone has different reasons for liking different concepts. It's my personal opinion that the warden is more interesting than Cullen, from what we know, but I don't expect everyone to share that opinion.

 

Yep I'm just not intrested about Grey Wardens anymore so it's not intresting to have warden in the party for me.. but yea fair enough ^^

[Battlebloodmage]

Unfortunately it is quite true. Merrill had a potential as a dalish character but became an outcast among outcasts.
I dislike him being a LI or a companion, not him existing. If that would be the case I would not even comment in his threads, like I ignore Isabella or Morrigan.
So, yeah, wasn't there a whole game already about it? Templars control and terrify mages, mages fear and terrify everyone, chantry controls both

It's like watching the news, you can see it happening, but nothing beat getting first-hand interviews from the actual participants. DA2 is just an introduction, it wasn't even the catalyst that led to the mage-templar war. With the war at the climax, it would be nice to get the perspective from an insider. Just know that the game is not made specifically for you, me, or anyone else. Even if you're not happy with what you're given, there are others who are just as if there's someone you're actually interested in, others may not feel the same. I personally would be happy for those who get their wish then wait to see if I get my wish. I'm sure if the 2/2/2 distribution rumor is correct, there are still 2 more potential LIs that you may like.

[Chari]

*sigh* So because he has fans it's fanservice to you... There's no reason to believe that when the devs said they wouldn't do that. It's insulting. You don't even know how he'll be used but because he has fans, his inclusion is fanservice... He could have another name and face but be the same character essentially but that wouldn't be fanservice... He may have something unique and mysterious and intriguing to add to he story but NOPE! Because... FANSSSS...

So on that note. I'm done. Good night.

I would mention one BW game what were told about it... But that would definitely get me banned

[Chari]

It's like watching the news, you can see it happening, but nothing beat getting first-hand interviews from the actual participants. DA2 is just an introduction, it wasn't even the catalyst that led to the mage-templar war. With the war at the climax, it would be nice to get the perspective from an insider. Just know that the game is not made specifically for you, me, or anyone else. Even if you're not happy with what you're given, there are others who are just as if there's someone you're actually interested in, others may not feel the same. I personally would be happy for those who get their wish then wait to see if I get my wish. I'm sure if the 2/2/2 distribution rumor is correct, there are still 2 more potential LIs that you may like.

DG said that very unlikely there will be more LI than usual aka 4. Maybe even less

[Nocte ad Mortem]

DG said that very unlikely there will be more LI than usual aka 4. Maybe even less

I wouldn't bet on that, honestly. I think it's doubtful they'd have an NPC romance replace a companion romance and Cullen is most likely going to be an NPC. 

[Chari]

I wouldn't bet on that, honestly. I think it's doubtful they'd have an NPC romance replace a companion romance and Cullen is most likely going to be an NPC.

I sure hope so

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I wouldn't bet on that, honestly. I think it's doubtful they'd have an NPC romance replace a companion romance and Cullen is most likely going to be an NPC. 

Yeah. Plus how long ago was that comment? It was before they got an extra year I believe.

[Althix]

alright well.

 

first of all in you were playing a Mage in Origins, let say female mage. You could have noticed some attitude from this particular character to a future female warden. when you meet him during circle incident, this actually may help you bit as well. Given how deep his psychical trauma is at that moment.

 

His attitude towards the mages was changed forever, but he is also a human being, so some flaws in his judgement also noticeable.

 

In DA2 we see a very different character, with some warm memories kept at heart, maybe these memories gave him alternative view on a matter of mages. He knows very well how mages can be dangerous, but he is still trying to treat them as humans, and at the same time he is trying to preserve them and all around them from harm. Every time you see him, you may notice these black areas around his eyes. This man is actually in a struggle. So he will perform his duty nevertheless but he will not step over some kind of edge, and you can see it when he is confronting Meredith.

 

However in DA2 i had a feeling that he is still a filler character, without any power to change the world. When you come to him with information about Anders, his reaction is rather strange. Like "ok i know that this particualr mage Anders is braindead, possessed abomination, i keep my eye on him, but you know i can't do a thing, because by the script he's supposed to blow a Chantry. And guess what? you can't kill him either".

 

So yes this character is very interesting, also from my point of view he is an examplar of a Templar. It would be nice to see him in the next game and it would be a very nice option to have him as a group member.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Yeah. Plus how long ago was that comment? It was before they got an extra year I believe.

I think what was said was that they weren't going to expand the amount of resources dedicated to romances. I wonder if that couldn't have been a ratio issue, though. Everything in this game is expanded from DA2. Maybe romances have just been balanced in relation to that.

 

I'm pretty sure it was before the extra year, also, though. So, they definitely could have changed their mind with the extra time.

[Grieving Natashina]

Here's my thoughts about Cullen:

 

I'm not a Cullen fangirl, but I am impressed that he still had restraint left after the Broken Circle.  His perspective would help give the Templars some better PR.  We've had good apostates over the years, which show that not all mages outside the Circle are evil blood mages out to steal yo' babies.  I'd like to see a full fledged Templar do the same as a companion that the apostate companions have done for us..

 

 It's really easy to condemn both templars and mages after the events of DA2, and some of the events of Origins.  However, I'm still curious about what motivates the average Templar.  I used Cullen as an example earlier, but it doesn't have to be him.  The Templar character I'd like to see is not the zealot, not the abuser, but a person that is like a harder version of Sebastian.  Someone that believes in the Chant, believes in the Maker and always strives to never give into blind hate.  I picture s/he to be a capable fighter showing no mercy to an abomination, yet does not paint all mages with the same broad and bloody brush.  Someone that isn't afraid to use force and is quite good at it, but strives to use more of a gentler and diplomatic tactic than most of the Templars we've witnessed over the years.  Instead of either totally ignorant and blind (oh hai Kerras!) or completely loony. (oh, hai Alrik.    )

 

Cullen just seems to fit the bill the most.  Now, rather than bash fans that have been surprised with his inclusion, why don't we (general statement) show some class and be happy for others for once?

[Sifr]

 

Here's my thoughts about Cullen:

 

I'm not a Cullen fangirl, but I am impressed that he still had restraint left after the Broken Circle.  His perspective would help give the Templars some better PR.  We've had good apostates over the years, which show that not all mages outside the Circle are evil blood mages out to steal yo' babies.  I'd like to see a full fledged Templar do the same as a companion that the apostate companions have done for us..

 

 It's really easy to condemn both templars and mages after the events of DA2, and some of the events of Origins.  However, I'm still curious about what motivates the average Templar.  I used Cullen as an example earlier, but it doesn't have to be him.  The Templar character I'd like to see is not the zealot, not the abuser, but a person that is like a harder version of Sebastian.  Someone that believes in the Chant, believes in the Maker and always strives to never give into blind hate.  I picture s/he to be a capable fighter showing no mercy to an abomination, yet does not paint all mages with the same broad and bloody brush.  Someone that isn't afraid to use force and is quite good at it, but strives to use more of a gentler and diplomatic tactic than most of the Templars we've witnessed over the years.  Instead of either totally ignorant and blind (oh hai Kerras!) or completely loony. (oh, hai Alrik.    )

 

Cullen just seems to fit the bill the most.  Now, rather than bash fans that have been surprised with his inclusion, why don't we (general statement) show some class and be happy for others for once?

 

 

This is the reason I find it odd that he was a minor character, when he seems perfectly set up as one of the best fits for someone who could possibly help mend the rift between the Templars and the Mages. Despite his occasionally claim to the contrary, he's clearly got some sympathy for the Mages and his going to bat for a Mage Hawke especially at the end of DA2 shows that he's willing to put his life, career and reputation on the line to stand up in what he believes in.

 

He reminds me a lot of Tomin from Stargate SG1, someone who fully believed in the teachings of Origin and eventually turned against those in power when he realised that they had corrupted it into something gaudy to control the masses.

 

"I will not stand by while the holy doctrine of good will and faith that I have sworn to uphold is twisted into a hammer and used to beat people down!"

 

Seriously, put those words into Cullen's mouth and tell me that they don't fit exactly?

[Grieving Natashina]

This is the reason I find it odd that he was a minor character, when he seems perfectly set up as one of the best fits for someone who could possibly help mend the rift between the Templars and the Mages. Despite his occasionally claim to the contrary, he's clearly got some sympathy for the Mages and his going to bat for a Mage Hawke especially at the end of DA2 shows that he's willing to put his life, career and reputation on the line to stand up in what he believes in.

 

He reminds me a lot of Tomin from Stargate SG1, someone who fully believed in the teachings of Origin and eventually turned against those in power when he realised that they had corrupted it into something gaudy to control the masses.

 

"I will not stand by while the holy doctrine of good will and faith that I have sworn to uphold is twisted into a hammer and used to beat people down!"

 

Seriously, put those words into Cullen's mouth and tell me that they don't fit exactly?

 

Considering that Evangeline says pretty much just that in Asunder, and I could see Cullen being a more Chantry-loyal version of her, that works for me.

 

Final thoughts in general: Again, I could really take or leave Cullen.  While I understand his fans perspective on why they love him so much, I will never entirely get the appeal.  That being said, just because I'm not a huge fan doesn't mean I lack the ability to see his story potential.  If he's an NPC, I'll be disappointed because I really want a full-time companion that is a Templar, and he seems like a perfect fit.  

 

It's okay to not to love the guy. You don't have to be a "Cullenite"in order to see that he could have a lot to offer in the story.   

[Lorien19]

Oh Dear,This again?Well I could easily explain why we find him interesting in one sentence...Because different people, find different things interesting.
Honestly there are already two threads where Cullen is the main subject of discussion,and the majority of the participants offer a very interesting perspective on why they like him as a character,for me the main reason why he's so widely discussed is mainly due to the fact that he is well written and interesting,despite being a minor npc so far.
As to why I find him so interesting in a nutshell...Firstly he has seen the worst and possibly the best of both templars and mages,he didn't allow his torture by blood mages to turn him into an extremist like Meredith and Alrik,as we see by the end of act 3 he realises that such views are not what he believes the order should stand for and chooses to oppose Meredith and follow what he considers ideal.Of course no need to mention that he'll offer a very interesting perspective on the events of Inquisition, due to his experiences so far.

People want to know more about him and that for me is successful writing...And since It becomes a little tiring for me to explain why I like him, every single time a thread like this one appears,I'd suggest you do some some research in the existing Cullen threads,if you're indeed so curious...

[Sifr]

I consider his level-headedness as a Templar as being his most interesting feature, which I think is why he's endeared himself to so many fans.

 

Personally, I'm hoping that he'll be like Garrus and Varric, someone you can form a totally epic bromance with over the course of the game. It'll be a few playthroughs before I get around rolling a female Inquisitor (if he's not playersexual) and try his romance arc, so hopefully befriending him will prove just as interesting.

[Lorien19]

I consider his level-headedness as a Templar as being his most interesting feature, which I think is why he's endeared himself to so many fans.

 

Personally, I'm hoping that he'll be like Garrus and Varric, someone you can form a totally epic bromance with over the course of the game. It'll be a few playthroughs before I get around rolling a female Inquisitor (if he's not playersexual) and try his romance arc, so hopefully befriending him will prove just as interesting.

I hope so as well,sometimes befriending a character can be as(if not more) rewarding as a potential romance.That was the case with Morrigan in my opinion I'd like to see that happening with Cullen as well.I think that any kind of positive interaction,with our pc should be interesting especially if our pc is a mage.

[Grieving Natashina]

Let's not forget, that He makes good yaoi material. (His a handsome guy who gets tortured lives with a bunch of other celebrate men.)

/thread

Now I picture a templar party, minus the yaoi.  They sure love to celebrate.   Party animals, those Templars. 

[Lorien19]

Now I picture a templar party, minus the yaoi.  They sure love to celebrate.   Party animals, those Templars. 

Well,Varric does indeed mention having drinking buddies in the templars,doesn't he?

[Grieving Natashina]

Well,Varric does indeed mention having drinking buddies in the templars,doesn't he?

Indeed.  That used to be a part of my signature.  

[MisterJB]

There is a little bit of Cullen in all of us, OP. You just need to search for it.

[Grieving Natashina]

There is a little bit of Cullen in all of us, OP. You just need to search for it.

Oh no, not that again.  I've heard that statement before...

 

Yeah, I'll take that as my cue to exit.  I'll check the Cullen 3.0 thread in a few days to see if he's a NPC or not.  Take care all.

 

[MisterJB]

Oh no, not that again.  I've heard that statement before...

 

Was it from that episode where the priest killed a girl and secretly fed her to the congregation?

Wait, what are we talking about again?

[Grieving Natashina]

 

Was it from that episode where the priest killed a girl and secretly fed her to the congregation?

Wait, what are we talking about again?

 

 

<pokes her head in carefully through the broken window>

 

 

There is a little bit of Cullen in all of us, OP. You just need to search for it.

 

The last time I heard that statement it was followed by "That is what we  refer to as Cullenoscopy."  

 

Edit: Put in the actual quote.  Took me a few to find it.

 

 

Deep within each of us is a piece of Cullen so doesn't matter what we talk about, we would just go back to Cullen. That's what I called Cullenoscopy. 

 

 

Take care, I'll see you guys around the forums.

[MisterJB]

"That is what we refer to as Cullenoscopy." 

 

. Ok, that's a good one.

[TheKomandorShepard]

What makes any character worthy of being a companion?  David could have written someone different than Alistair.

 

 

If this is a thread that evolves into trashing on a character without really knowing how the character exists in the game (something you possibly won't know until release), then this thread will find itself getting closed.

 

Well at first his usefulness that is point of companions at least in-universe... and most copmanions are just unlucky souls that we have meet by coincidence.

 

however puting same character in different 3 games in 3 diffrent countries and with different protagonist is fanservice why because he shouldn't be there i mean come on how many protagonist will meet cullen in different countries just because well we have to have cullen in game because squee he was no one and random templar could replace him as kinght capitan and then now he is in Inquisition.Pretty much it was ridiculous that 3 hawke companions have meet the warden and then just went to meet another protagonist... coincidence? if you put too much coincidence it stops being coincidence...