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[King Cousland]

I don't think Morrigan is evil, but nor do I think Flemeth is a villain by any stretch of the imagination, and I wholeheartedly agree that Morrigan lied about the contents of the grimoires and Flemeth's possession ritual. Indeed, when you specifically quiz Flemeth about this she simply laughs and appears genuinely amused ([Laughs] "Oh! Is that what she told you?") - this would seem to be consolidated when Yavana remarks that whatever Flemeth does, its a "gift" to her daughters. 

 

Whether Morrigan simply misunderstood Flemeth's intentions or deliberately manipulated the Warden, I'm pretty certain all the Witches (however many there are) are playing a very complex game, and its the most prominent figures in Thedas (Maric, The Warden, Hawke, Alistair) who are used as pawns.

[Lord Raijin]

As a Morrigan fan I would not be upset if Bioware decides to turn her into the main antagonist in the game. In fact I would take off my hat and salute Bioware for having the courage to kill off Morrigan despite her overwhelming popularly. It takes a lot of balls to do something like that. IMO that is called good writing. A good story teller should never be afraid (by upsetting the readers) by killing off the popular character in the story. What the readers must understand is that it's not their story but the story of the writer. Either you like how it's progressing or you do not. Dragon Age is not just about Flemeth nor Morrigan. Dragon Age is about what goes on in Thedas in every aspect.

 

When the popular character dies another one is born.

[earymir]

I think it's highly unlikely Morrigan or Flemeth are the main evil-doers here (in terms of Veil Tears), but are both also two of the people most likely to have some idea of what's going on or where the search might begin. Morrigan was never evil, just self-serving (depending on how well you developed a relationship with her) and attached to a very specific conception of freedom (every person for themselves). She probably understood like a fourth of what Flemeth is up to, having read multiple grimoires but never being told by Flemeth what the bigger picture was, and her interpretation of that was that Flemeth is doing something evil (she very well may be, but I feel like it'll be later than DA:I if so). Yavana's comment about it being a gift is clearly not meant to be a meta "Morrigan is wrong" statement to the fans of Dragon Age, but a reflection of that Yavana is completely on board with what she knows of Flemeth's plans (which seems to be significantly more than Morrigan given her involvement in the Silent Grove plot). It seems to me that Morrigan was given a *tiny* amount of information from Flemeth at any given point (enough to pursue old god baby basically), and has been on her own search for the truth this whole time.

Anyway my general point is that I think Morrigan is a legitimately nuanced character and isn't trying to destroy the world at all. On the other hand, like Merrill, I think it's possible her use of the mirror she found may be at least in part responsible for some of the troubles going on (I think it was implied by one of the devs that Merrill's mirror had a bigger part than just leading to the idiotic destruction of her clan), and that her issues with Flemeth may be either on the completely right track, or quite mistaken - neither being a motivation for "evil" in any real sense.

[Vapaa]

As a Morrigan fan I would not be upset if Bioware decides to turn her into the main antagonist in the game. In fact I would take off my hat and salute Bioware for having the courage to kill off Morrigan despite her overwhelming popularly. It takes a lot of balls to do something like that. IMO that is called good writing.

 

Good writing is not turning a character villain of killing him for the sake of it

[King Cousland]

Good writing is not turning a character villain of killing him for the sake of it

 

Given that we know so little about Morrigan, Flemeth or indeed any other Witches' aims, the emergence of Morrigan as a villain would hardly be "for the sake of it". It would simply be a revelation for fans and another step in her character development. 

[ahellbornlady]

I remember when I told Flemeth that Morrigan knows how she extends her life span, and she says,

 

"Indeed she does. But do you?"

 

[Cainhurst Crow]

Okay then. SO why does flemeth go along with the possession story? She just alright in her neutral goodness to let a evil person enact evil upon the world? I'd argue that being that passive in the matter to go along with her daughters deception and get temporarily killed by the warden without giving them any sort of heads up makers her neutral evil more then anything else.

[Divine Justinia V]

I remember when I told Flemeth that Morrigan knows how she extends her life span, and she says,

 

"Indeed she does. But do you?"

 

 

+100 for the Italian Spiderman

[Xilizhra]

I think it's highly unlikely Morrigan or Flemeth are the main evil-doers here (in terms of Veil Tears), but are both also two of the people most likely to have some idea of what's going on or where the search might begin. Morrigan was never evil, just self-serving (depending on how well you developed a relationship with her) and attached to a very specific conception of freedom (every person for themselves). She probably understood like a fourth of what Flemeth is up to, having read multiple grimoires but never being told by Flemeth what the bigger picture was, and her interpretation of that was that Flemeth is doing something evil (she very well may be, but I feel like it'll be later than DA:I if so). Yavana's comment about it being a gift is clearly not meant to be a meta "Morrigan is wrong" statement to the fans of Dragon Age, but a reflection of that Yavana is completely on board with what she knows of Flemeth's plans (which seems to be significantly more than Morrigan given her involvement in the Silent Grove plot). It seems to me that Morrigan was given a *tiny* amount of information from Flemeth at any given point (enough to pursue old god baby basically), and has been on her own search for the truth this whole time.

Anyway my general point is that I think Morrigan is a legitimately nuanced character and isn't trying to destroy the world at all. On the other hand, like Merrill, I think it's possible her use of the mirror she found may be at least in part responsible for some of the troubles going on (I think it was implied by one of the devs that Merrill's mirror had a bigger part than just leading to the idiotic destruction of her clan), and that her issues with Flemeth may be either on the completely right track, or quite mistaken - neither being a motivation for "evil" in any real sense.

Merrill's Eluvian didn't lead to the destruction of her clan, her clan's utter stupidity did it to itself.

[KC_Prototype]

In your logic, Morrigan learned from the best    

[Samahl na Revas]

Yeah flemeth is ultimate good that raised morrigan exactly what she was in dao because of her teaching it doesn't rly have sense...

 

so yeah flemeth who created morrigan is good and morrigan is bad because she follows what flemeth taught her wait wha?

 

Funny, the character in your avatar followed a similar path. Taught by someone who was ultimately good, and eventually chose a different path due to loss, etc...well, you should know the rest of the story...

 

It is not hard to fathom Moriggan doing the same, though at this point I doubt such similarities. I have reason to believe that Flemeth does at some point possess her daughters but more so a means to an end.

 

Arbitrary thought: In another thread I likened the Old God and dragon relationship to abominations, I had used the wrong term and should of meant vessel.  

 

Back on topic: The more I reread, replay, and reintegrate myself into DA the more I believe in Flemeth's cryptic messages.

Jokingly: Imagine a mother speaking to you as Flemeth does all these years, no wonder Morrigan maybe confused. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Funny, the character in your avatar followed a similar path. Taught by someone who was ultimately good, and eventually chose a different path due to loss, etc...well, you should know the rest of the story...

 

It is not hard to fathom Moriggan doing the same, though at this point I doubt such similarities. I have reason to believe that Flemeth does at some point possess her daughters but more so a means to an end.

 

Arbitrary thought: In another thread I likened the Old God and dragon relationship to abominations, I had used the wrong term and should of meant vessel.  

 

Back on topic: The more I reread, replay, and reintegrate myself into DA the more I believe in Flemeth's cryptic messages.

Jokingly: Imagine a mother speaking to you as Flemeth does all these years, no wonder Morrigan maybe confused. 

 

You mean Nagato?

 

He didn't follow jiraya path as eventually he found his teachings naive if you are to date with series you know that he found another "master" that guided him.

 

When pretty much morrigan sepent entire life affected only by flemeth teachings and well rather abusive childhood so pretty much everything morrigan was in origins (stupid evil) is flemeth creation and her lessons.

[SilkieBantam]

Morrigan's whole arc in DA was her slowly starting to warm up to humanity. I'd doubt the writers would turn her evil. 

If Morrigan DID do something it would most likely be due to a misunderstanding or general ignorance. I'm sure there were things she was lying about and not telling the player but I can't envision Morrigan deliberately trying to destroy Thedas. It just doesn't seem like her style.