That's Templars job to control mages regardless.
Not caring about the fact that just like anyone else a mage is someone's son, mother, lover etc... is disgusting and sickening and its a great cruelty in name of "control". And you wonder why things go boom, you hate someone that much, they will eventually hate you back and then some.
Not caring about the fact that just like anyone else a mage is someone's son, mother, lover etc... is disgusting and sickening and its a great cruelty in name of "control". And you wonder why things go boom, you hate someone that much, they will eventually hate you back and then some.
Well I think the mages can have sex in the circle but our sources are Anders and Wynne only and it seems the Templars do abuse the love and relationship between the mages to "control" them. But I doubt they care about mages having casual sex.
Er, abuse the relationships?
We've heard the Templars discouraging the relationships and taking the children away, but that's not the same thing as abusing (or exploiting) the relationship as a means of control. In fact, that's the exact opposite of what's going on- if the Templars wanted to use relationship ties as a lever, breaking apart relationships is immediately defeats that. You can't leverage something if you're working to prevent its existence. The only point in the games where we've seen Templars use mage relationship as a tool was Carl and the great Alrik. Who was, well, Alrik.
The Templar/Circle system's goal and method is to break apart the family units of mages other than the broader magi community itself. There are different basis for it (the dangers of mages having strong emotional ties to be exploited by temptation, the danger of out-of-circle families being a support network for apostates, potential concerns about mage family politics internally destabilizing mage politics), but ultimately the only family the system want mages to identify with is the broader Circles.
Er, abuse the relationships?
We've heard the Templars discouraging the relationships and taking the children away, but that's not the same thing as abusing (or exploiting) the relationship as a means of control. In fact, that's the exact opposite of what's going on- if the Templars wanted to use relationship ties as a lever, breaking apart relationships is immediately defeats that. You can't leverage something if you're working to prevent its existence. The only point in the games where we've seen Templars use mage relationship as a tool was Carl and the great Alrik. Who was, well, Alrik.
The Templar/Circle system's goal and method is to break apart the family units of mages other than the broader magi community itself. There are different basis for it (the dangers of mages having strong emotional ties to be exploited by temptation, the danger of out-of-circle families being a support network for apostates, potential concerns about mage family politics internally destabilizing mage politics), but ultimately the only family the system want mages to identify with is the broader Circles.
Are you for real? Based on what Anders and Wynne tell us they do it. They exploit love or anything dear to mages to control them. I have my doubts if every single Templar does that (obviously) but they are our only source. I don't go around ranting about what Templar order is "suppose" to do. When did you ever see an order like Templars doing what they are supposed to do? So far the canon of the game tells me the Templars do exploit the love and relationships between mages. Unless a dev tells us what Anders and Wynne said are lies its canon
So you generally consider the circle system cruelty?
Some aspects of it, not all of it.
Some aspects of it, not all of it.
....I'm sorry Kain. I'm so sorry. I have to get this out of my system.
My on-topic 2 cents: I believe that, at the better Circles, a "Don't Ask Don't Tell; Use Magical/Herbal Contraception" mentality could be in affect. At the more restrictive circles, there was probably a lot of quick dalliances and midnight rendezvous going on.
Honestly, what does it matter - where? The nature will take its toll regardless. Never heard about sex in the war camps? And you're talking about freaking tower, filled with rooms and larders.
I've always wondered about this subject.
...OK, that sounded a little creepy, but whatever.
Looking at the Ferelden Circle, almost all of the rooms have walls that don't reach the (very high) ceiling. This means you could easily hear what was going on next door. So even if Templars weren't in the room itself they could probably monitor the Mages inside. Heck, this is probably how the bathrooms worked. Templars didn't stare into the bathtub, see, but instead they were nearby so they could hear if anything went on.
Unless Mages trained themselves to be quiet, how on earth could they have gotten away with quick... kaboodles?
Are you for real? Based on what Anders and Wynne tell us they do it. They exploit love or anything dear to mages to control them. I have my doubts if every single Templar does that (obviously) but they are our only source. I don't go around ranting about what Templar order is "suppose" to do. When did you ever see an order like Templars doing what they are supposed to do? So far the canon of the game tells me the Templars do exploit the love and relationships between mages. Unless a dev tells us what Anders and Wynne said are lies its canon
Are you? Anders is an unreliable source of information because he is horribly biased and what we know of the Circle's day to day functioning doesn't match even half of what he claims is true.
You say that it's canon Templars "exploit relationships" but I will tell you that what it is canon is that Templars take away accidental babies of mages who never see them again.
If they really wanted to exploit their relationships, all they'd have to do is let the mother see the child ocasionally and then remind her
that, unless she is a very compliant mage, they could just kill it.
Therefore, at most, what Anders says is his biased interpretation of the Circle. And I can't recall Wynne making any mention of such.
I'm just talking the correct circle without Alrics and where mages behave, abusing mage relationship might only come up if a mage grosly miss-behaves, but Templars normally are supposed to control mages. So if Templars are not corrupt, a mage couple in love has nothing to worry about, specially if they don't want children.
I am all for a better circles where conditions are better and Templar remember that they are paid soldiers to serve a greater cause, they are not divinity nor they are actually important. They are being paid, like a mercenary, with money and lyrium. Soldiers are either not paid or paid for much lesser amounts. The most important factor, to me anyhow, is mages should govern themselves only their separation from rest of the world is the job of Templars. What happens in the circles is business of mages and mages alone.
This is why we castrate mages in Par-Vollen.
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This is why we castrate mages in Par-Vollen.
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Never change BSN, never change.
....I'm sorry Kain. I'm so sorry. I have to get this out of my system.
My on-topic 2 cents: I believe that, at the better Circles, a "Don't Ask Don't Tell; Use Magical/Herbal Contraception" mentality could be in affect. At the more restrictive circles, there was probably a lot of quick dalliances and midnight rendezvous going on.
Damn, beat me to it!
....I'm sorry Kain. I'm so sorry. I have to get this out of my system.
My on-topic 2 cents: I believe that, at the better Circles, a "Don't Ask Don't Tell; Use Magical/Herbal Contraception" mentality could be in affect. At the more restrictive circles, there was probably a lot of quick dalliances and midnight rendezvous going on.
Someone PLEASE photoshop some mages, (anders, wynne....owain?) on this...PLEASE
Are you for real? Based on what Anders and Wynne tell us they do it. They exploit love or anything dear to mages to control them. I have my doubts if every single Templar does that (obviously) but they are our only source.
Wynn doesn't tell us they exploit the relationships of mages: Wynn tells us they try to prevent the mages from having relationships. Those are two different things, and can not be used interchangeably. Anders, on the other hand, tells us many things, a number of them false, but the only substantiated claim of exploiting a pre-existing mage relationship I can think of with regards to Anders was the use of Karl as bait to catch Anders. Which was done by Alrik, and has never been raised as a standard practice.
I don't go around ranting about what Templar order is "suppose" to do. When did you ever see an order like Templars doing what they are supposed to do?
Quite frequently. It's kind of what separates professionals from amateur organizations.
So far the canon of the game tells me the Templars do exploit the love and relationships between mages. Unless a dev tells us what Anders and Wynne said are lies its canon
Perhaps we would be better suited at identifying what in partiular is said that you believe indicates exploitation as opposed to something else. For Wynn, I simply do not recall her claiming any such thing- being denied a relationship and her child, yes, but nothing in a sense of exploiting for control. No 'we have your child, obey or else.' No 'we know you like this person, do as we say or something bad happens to them.' That is exploiting a relationship to control someone.
Anders already lies (and hyperbolially exaggerates past reality and is sometimes simply mistaken and just plain wrong) enough that his claims are already deserving of scrutiny: he is not an objective or authoritative source. This, to, deserves examing what instances in the canon of the game show the Templars exploiting the love and relationships between mages to control them. Even Karl wasn't exploited to control Anders: Karl was bait for a trap, not a hostage to Anders good behavior.
to shoot down the bathing area idea, i believe in asunder they mention that its the tranquil who run the baths, i believe they also stood and watched and helped wash people's backs too... creepy... anyway if jowan and that cow lady priest could get together, im pretty sure mages could hook up no problem
Someone PLEASE photoshop some mages, (anders, wynne....owain?) on this...PLEASE
And Irving for Samantha!
i think its appropriate for this thread, to quote your sandal pic... "I saw something nasty in the woodshed."
My guess they had sex behind those Bookshelfs, they were in that room off of the library in the first floor. it seems private enough.
This is why we castrate mages in Par-Vollen.
to shoot down the bathing area idea, i believe in asunder they mention that its the tranquil who run the baths, i believe they also stood and watched and helped wash people's backs too... creepy...
I just mention that Anders comments in Awakening that robes are very useful for having a quickie up against a wall! It is probably harder for apprentices because of their shared dormitories but enchanters, certainly senior enchanters, get their own rooms - it doesn't look like that in Origins because they don't actually show the entire place. With the number of rooms shown, there would only be a smallish number of mages and Templars housed in the place, which would be nonsense. I tend to disregard everything in DA2 because of the tendency to go for extremes of behaviour. You get a much better idea of how things operate in Origins, Awakening and the book Asunder. In the latter there are various nooks and crannies that mages can sneak into for a bit of privacy. Enchanters have their own quarters and Rhys had a relationship with Adrian in the past. Rhys was the result of a relationship between Wynne and a Templar. We never get to learn who the father was but clearly it was not an abusive relationship, since Wynne seemed to have had no problem with it. As had been pointed out, if they had wanted to control Wynne with her child, it would have made more sense to leave him with her. In fact if anything it was probably felt it would be safer for the child to be raised outside the Circle but once he demonstrated magical ability, he was sent back there but to a different Circle from his mother and likely his father as well.
On the whole I would have thought the Templars would not have opposed mage relationships with each other since not only would it give some means of control over them but if nothing else would give them an outlet for pent up emotions. May be it was pent up sexual frustration that led to so many mages going off bang and becoming possessed in Kirkwall.
What does appear to be frowned upon is relationships between members of the Chantry, either sisters or Templars, and mages. This would be partly because technically they are meant to have renounced sex and also because the conflict of interest that could arise on the part of the Templar when dealing with the mage.
Dat thread title. I keep reading it as "Sex in the city".
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