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[The Ascendant]

As a lover of mythologies and legends, I love the world of Dragon Age with it's complex and rich history. But one of the most interesting and intriguing beings I have grown fond of is the Dread Wolf, Fen'Harel.

A trickster god who uses is cunning and clever wit to outmanoeuvre and deceive both factions of the gods. After reading the Masked Empire, my appreciation and love for the Big Bad Wolf has only grown. I am not opposed to the idea that He is Felassan's master but I think it would be too easy to give that role to a known character/god/whatever he is. Any thoughts?

P.S. His stories remind a great deal of the Norse God Loki, also a trickster who plays both factions of gods against each other. Anyone thinking that if he appears in Inquisition he should be voice by Tom Hiddleston? 

[Sifr]

I love Trickster Gods in general such as Loki and Anansi, which is why Fen'Harel is one of the characters I want to know more about and why I suspect he's somehow tied into the whole Darkspawn, Old God, absent Maker and Fade Tear hullabaloo.

 

Would be nice to reveal him as being an active player in Thedas, much like the Daedric Princes are in the Elder Scrolls.

[JeffZero]

The "Fen" in Fen'Harel's name is indubitably a link to "wolf", a la "Fenrir", who in turn is a son of Loki. So that's cute.

[Wolfen09]

i like the whole pits the gods against eachother thing, but i dont care for the speculation that hes an active player in thedas....  bringing out a god character in games is just old... i mean final fantasy has done that like 8 times and its just lost its shock value on me... to the point i just see it as being lazy

[JeffZero]

Final Fantasy and Dragon Age are apples and oranges. I have faith BioWare would apply a more liberal dose of depth than the few actual "deities" genuinely seen and fought against in the former.

[Lorien19]

To be honest I see some parallels between Norse mythology and the elven pantheon.I have some crazy theories about Fe'Harel and his potential role based on Norse mythology (It's purely speculation though)...

First of all Fen'Harel is known as the trickster pretty much like Loki but he has the form of a wolf like Fenrir Loki's son known as "the monstrous wolf".In Norse mythology Loki and and Fenrir are the ones bound by the rest of the deities while in the elven pantheon it's the opposite.The most interesting part for me is that both Loki and Fenrir play a major role in ragnarok the end of the world.Which makes me a bit suspicious about Fen'Harel's role in the events of Inquisition and who he may be,after all I don't think he was mentioned in the masked empire for nothing,and there's also this interesting theory that Flemeth and Fen'Harel are one and the same, which I find particularly intriguing considering that Loki is also known to be a shape-shifter.

[CybAnt1]

I'm a fan of his myth & legend.

 

If he actually exists, and/or makes an appearance in DAI (possibly pivotally, because I suspect that), then I can decide if I'm a fan of him as an entity. 

[myahele]

I am curious why Fen harel may need agents to do his bidding? Is he also trapped in the fade as well?

[CybAnt1]

Or if not in the Fade ... Beyond it? 

[TanithAeyrs]

Applauds +100 internets for this thread.

 

I suspect Fen'Harel may be a driving force behind many of the events in the Dragon Age series.  However, I would be sorely disappointed if the Bioware writers ever directly confirmed it.  Pointing a finger and saying "yes, the trickster god did this" or heaven forbid, having him show up and confirm his presence seems contradictory to the very nature of a trickster god.  Perhaps a final screen with a laughing wolf as the credits role when we finish DA 25 (throws snacks at writers pit and runs), that might be okay.   But, fundamentally, a trickster god should be shrouded in mystery and only have indirect and chaotic influence on the world.

 

In my personal head-canon, I suspect Fen'Harel is a mischievous driving force for the greater good.  This does not rule out small evils along the way, bowing to a mischievous nature and accepting that events perceived as harmful or wrong might drive a character in the direction of the greater good.  

[dragonflight288]

The "Fen" in Fen'Harel's name is indubitably a link to "wolf", a la "Fenrir", who in turn is a son of Loki. So that's cute.

 

Or "Fenris" was for Denarius, "Little Wolf."

[Jean]

I greatly approve of this. Fen'Harel 2014. 

[CybAnt1]

Applauds +100 internets for this thread.

 

I suspect Fen'Harel may be a driving force behind many of the events in the Dragon Age series.  However, I would be sorely disappointed if the Bioware writers ever directly confirmed it.  Pointing a finger and saying "yes, the trickster god did this" or heaven forbid, having him show up and confirm his presence seems contradictory to the very nature of a trickster god.  Perhaps a final screen with a laughing wolf as the credits role when we finish DA 25 (throws snacks at writers pit and runs), that might be okay.   But, fundamentally, a trickster god should be shrouded in mystery and only have indirect and chaotic influence on the world.

 

In my personal head-canon, I suspect Fen'Harel is a mischievous driving force for the greater good.  This does not rule out small evils along the way, bowing to a mischievous nature and accepting that events perceived as harmful or wrong might drive a character in the direction of the greater good.  

 

Completely agree with these points. If he suddenly appears, like, say, Lo'Gosh/Goldrinn, in WoW, I'll be disappointed.

 

They should keep with their style of unknown/absent gods, and they could do that by having all kinds of hints the Dread Wolf is behind things, without him "physically appearing" or being seen. They can also continue to be ambiguous about his nature, and possibly continue to leave debatable his existence. After all, claiming you've had visions of something speaking to you ... well, can anyone else prove it? 

 

That to me is befitting the way the series deals with religion. Of any of its races. 

 

Also, if he's a trickster god, I don't think he will be either obviously helper or villain ... tricksters are always in that morally gray space, kind of where people often find Flemeth (which is why they sometimes wonder about possible identity). 

[Wolfen09]

the grey zone consists of:   Flemeth, Morrigan, Fen Harel, Grey Wardens (only cause the name people)

[WardenWade]

I'm a fan of Fen'Harel myself, have been since DA:Origins    I have some headcanon for my Tabris tied up with him.

[Sylvianus]

I really enjoyed all the stories about Fen'harel in the novel. Can't wait to learn more about him in the game if that happens. 

[foolishquinn]

Emm weird personal headcannon here but do you think Fen'Harel is the jailer of the fade keeping all the trapped gods like dumat and the elfven gods there from interfering with the world because of the blight???
Sorrt if i annoyed anybody with my level of knowlage. Appologies again

[foolishquinn]

Emm weird personal headcannon here but do you think Fen'Harel is the jailer of the fade keeping all the trapped gods like dumat and the elfven gods there from interfering with the world because of the blight???
Sorrt if i annoyed anybody with my level of knowlage. Appologies again

[Lorien19]

Emm weird personal headcannon here but do you think Fen'Harel is the jailer of the fade keeping all the trapped gods like dumat and the elfven gods there from interfering with the world because of the blight???
Sorrt if i annoyed anybody with my level of knowlage. Appologies again

No need to apologize,it's a rather interesting theory...In fact some people speculate that Fen'Harel is the deity known as the "Maker" by the chantry,who according to the chant trapped the old gods like Dunmat.

[foolishquinn]

Yea i suspose so but still think it sometimes makes no sense sometimes as the more i think about that train of thought think flemeth is just the form andraste interfering with the world for an good angeda to keep the vale and never let the likes of the forgotten 1s and dumat roam the world and the blight was an cause of the old gods trying to regain some control and break their chains though an medium of the darkspawn;which is a form of salvation and punishment.

Sorry if this appears as an darkspawn/old gods hijack of the thread never ment to be.
Again limited knowlage and my own personal head cannon.
Thank you for listening

[WardenWade]

Emm weird personal headcannon here but do you think Fen'Harel is the jailer of the fade keeping all the trapped gods like dumat and the elfven gods there from interfering with the world because of the blight???
Sorrt if i annoyed anybody with my level of knowlage. Appologies again

 

No need to apologize,it's a rather interesting theory...In fact some people speculate that Fen'Harel is the deity known as the "Maker" by the chantry,who according to the chant trapped the old gods like Dunmat.

 

Agreed, these are good thoughts World of Thedas  (pg. 143) also suggests Fen'Harel may have trapped the elven gods in the "Eternal City" at the heart of the Fade/Beyond.  As the Fade is traditionally to elves a holy place, according to World of Thedas, some believe this may in fact be the Black City referenced in the Chant.

 

WOT also notes he is said to gleefully patrol the Fade, devouring the souls of the dead...indeed, much like a jailor.

 

There are a lot of intriguing theories about Fen'Harel, and he's an intriguing god.

[Sir Froggie]

Fen'Harel is the only elven god I can remember, does that make me one of his fans?

[Ello Naver]

I agree, it might seem a little too strange if they introduce him as the main villain just of the bat, however if we had seen him before in the story (say int the form of Flemeth) then it would not be that strange. And I believe that Flemeth is actually rather likely.

 

And there are quite a few evidence in tME that it actually is Fen'Harel that is the main villain of DAI (http://forum.bioware.../#entry16437232)

[CybAnt1]

Tricksters are not usually "villains". To the extent that elven lore echoes Native American lore, Fen'Harel kind of echoes Native American trickster gods, of which there are many.

 

In fact, by his animal nature, he's very similar to Coyote the Trickster, 

 

http://en.wikipedia....te_in_mythology

 

Coyote has been compared to both the Scandinavian Loki, and also Prometheus, who shared with Coyote the trick of having stolen fire from the gods as a gift for mankind, and Anansi, a mythological culture hero from Western African mythology. In Eurasia, rather than a coyote, a fox is often featured as a trickster hero, ranging from kitsune (fox) tales in Japan to the Reynard cycle in Western Europe. Similarities can also be drawn with another trickster, the Polynesian demigod Māui, who also stole fire for mankind and introduced death to the world.^{[citation needed]}

Claude Lévi-Strauss, French anthropologist proposed a structuralist theory that suggests that Coyote and Crow obtained mythic status because they are mediator animals between life and death.

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