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[AresKeith]

Great, this policy just fails on every level.

You expected different?

[Ohnenick]

Guys, please. Stop making me post here in the hopes that someone actually reads my signature. Because I sure as hell don't expect anyone from Bioware to really read my posts.

[D1ngD0ngBannu]

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Wow.  Whilst I am very sorry that there are some folks who will be losing a beloved feature of the site, no one person nor any group, not even you and yours Jere, was singled out as being "toxic".   In fact, it wasn't even stated that such sub communities currently exist.  That's just a gross misinterpretation of the post.

 

Actually, the statement reads: "We've been reviewing the way groups have been used versus the vision we have for the site since we have launched it and have created the following new rule" "This is largely to keep the focus of the site on BioWare culture and our games as well as to prevent toxic subcommunities from forming that we cannot contain."

 

You're telling me that the exact stated reason that they are making this change - to prevent "toxic subcommunities" is not a reflection on existing groups.

 

I never said they singled me out, I said that the implication that groups were forming a toxic subcommunity requiring a change in policy is a horrifying characterization. I believe that implication is completely wrong, and there's no "gross misinterpretation" going on.

 

This came after review. If "Toxic Subcommunity" is "prediction" and there is no claim that they don't exist, than the entire statement is invalid and untrue, and all of this is a waste of time. You don't destroy something because "on review" you have decided that you recognize the possibility that it might become something else. You take steps to prevent it from becoming "toxic' if you fear such an eventuality.

 

You do not announce that you have to address "toxic subcommunities" by changing rules and doing away with the location of those "toxic subcommunities" after reviewing them unless you intend people to interpret that you found "toxic subcommunities" when you looked.

 

I fail to see any gross misinterpretation on my part. If toxic subcommunities exist, then deal with them. Claiming that the actions of a minority justifies characterizing all members of groups as dangerous potential "toxic subcommunities" is not an appropriate response.

[spirosz]

They may be trying to get their forum to look more like a forum. My guess is that they are trying to look more professional. If you go on other forums most of the gaming forums look just like this

 

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It is a forum.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With groups.

[MzAdventure]

Respectfully, Jere, I disagree with your interpretation.  That's what it is, YOUR interpretation.  I'm sorry you are so distraught.

 

I find the new rule remarkably ambiguous, though - needs clarification.

[spirosz]

What the heck are you talking about dude? There aren't any bullies here. Hide from what? From who? Worst side of the fanbase? Strong hyperbole there man. The positivity of this forum isn't centralized around you and your "group". Please don't pedestalize yourself and your "group" as the only faces of goodness here. 

 

He isn't and you seem to be unaware of how many users actually do go through abuse, groups or no groups.  I've heard quite a few things from certain users and I'm not talking about trolling, for jokes, but actual harassment.  It's like this everywhere and not just related to this site, but since we're here...

[Ziegrif]

I think this thread might be about 6 pages long and contain MUCH less fighting if we'd have Bioware employees helping in sorting out any misconceptions and the like.

 

It's almost like we need a community manager or something.

[Caineghis2500]

I see what you did there. pig 

[Rusty Sandusky]

Meanwhile, on GRORIOUS BIOWARU FORUM....

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Respectfully, Jere, I disagree with your interpretation.  That's what it is, YOUR interpretation. 

 

 

It isn't just mine.

 

I reacted the same way when people characterized the MP forum as toxic.

 

I reacted the same way when people characterized the Off Topic Forums as toxic.

 

I reacted this way when it was announced that Groups would be deleted to address "Toxic Subcommunities."

[ruggly]

But with a taste of these groups, I'm on a riiiiiiide.

[MzAdventure]

It isn't just mine.

 

I (over) reacted the same way when people characterized the MP forum as toxic.

 

I (over) reacted the same way when people characterized the Off Topic Forums as toxic.

 

I (over) reacted this way when it was announced that Groups would be deleted to address "Toxic Subcommunities."

 

 

FTFY

 

And you youself, earlier in this very topic, essentially called any one who doesn't disagree with the policy change toxic...

 

Folks are pretty free with that assessment around here, on every side of the issue.

[Leland Gaunt]

I must say I'm surprised this thread is still open. Doesn't seem like regular BioWare procedure, since there is criticizing in here. Maybe 01-05 are asleep?

Time to re-awake the Ninja and ban all the toxic elements (read: forum users). Maybe Ms. Merizan should take a course with the one and only to let him show her how it's done? It's high time to manage the community!

 

This toxicity everywhere... I can hardly wade through it... nor breathe... need... management....

 

Please manage the community once and for all, how dare people socialize in a forum that used to be called BioWare Social Forum? Especially now that the social has been purged from the title. Please praise BioWare in every post about games that are 3+ years old, and don't you DARE go off topic because basically everything has been said. Go write about Quarian sweat, how the Arishok should be a LI, about how this 3+ year old game is awesome awesome awesome. In other words: please Saturnize yourself, dear forum user. For only then, you are worthy to post.

Screw all you people who made friends here.

 

BioWare headquarters must be a fantastic place: everybody talking about BioWare related stuff 24/7. Glorius. I bet your toiletpaper has a huge BioWare logo all over it. Must be lovely.

 

To paraphrase a great member of this community: "I think they smoke stool the whole day and then add cool looking stuff." Wise words.

[Caineghis2500]

It isn't just mine.

 

I reacted the same way when people characterized the MP forum as toxic.

 

I reacted the same way when people characterized the Off Topic Forums as toxic.

 

I reacted this way when it was announced that Groups would be deleted to address "Toxic Subcommunities."

People vented long ago jeremiah.

 

You still at it?

 

How much steam do you still have?

 

What more can you argue that you haven't already argued in great depth? It's becoming redundant now.

 

Everyone already knows how angry you are man. Relax

[AresKeith]

People vented long ago jeremiah.

 

You still at it?

 

How much steam do you still have?

 

What more can you argue that you haven't already argued in great depth? It's becoming redundant now.

 

Everyone already knows how angry you are man. Relax

 

How dare someone express their displeasure to poor decision making

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

 

And you youself, earlier in this very topic, essentially called any one who doesn't disagree with the policy change toxic...

 

Folks are pretty free with that assessment around here, on every side of the issue.

 

Why are you doing this?

 

I never said anything like that. I said, check the posting and ban history of the users who are "happily supporting this decision."

 

I was referring to 3 people. No one else who has supported the decision was expressing happiness with the change, only acknowledging some of the reasons for it. I did not call everyone who disagreed with me toxic. Please stop putting words in my mouth and claiming that I'm saying things that I'm not.

[MzAdventure]

Jere, I apologize as I was making a point with my exaggeration - it's exactly the same spin you put on the words from BioWare announcing the policy change.  They called no one toxic, not you, not me, just allowed that they felt the need to restrict opportunities for something bad to start.

 

It's their site, their rules. 

 

I'm saddened that it feels so personal to you and others, and I hope your groups make the cut.

[Creator Limbs]

Disliked for unchecked privilege theme

Sorry, I'm too lazy to change it every time I load this forum.

[Mazder]

So let me get this straight...because the logic is a little bit confusing for me to wrap my head around.

 

In order to remove the "toxic elements" of their user base, they're going to get rid of the only place in their forum they exist, where they self moderate and keep to themselves, in order to make it a cleaner place?

 

Yeah, no.

That is not a smart move, because even in a best case scenario you're going to have said people making entirely new threads in the off topic area that pertain to their interests anyway and they're just going to oversaturate the forum more, not less. And even if that is the best case scenario you have to take into consideration the fact that no-one will have anything new to talk about if you then start banning the off topic areas, which it sounds like they want to do. They should either come outright and tell us what they do and what they don't want and be responsible for the amount of people they chase away. Which of course might dip slightly into their profits as some of those people might not buy their next game due to the way they treat their customers.

 

It's a grade A f*ck up they have here. Thy have a few options on the table, a few they definitely will not take.

 

1) They can have the groups and Off Topic areas stay, with the addition that anything goes. If you wish to be taken seriously then instead of outright banning some topics or even avenues of behavioural discussion, as in saying swearing, talking about adult related subjects or anything else that may be "slightly controversial" (as in anything bloody normal and day to day that doesn't include their games, the newest still being a few years old now).

 

 

2) Have a site each for how they want their fans to interact. If they want to keep it social then they should have kept the old site up. If they wanted to have a focus on the games all they needed to do was either move over all the stuff that was on the games themselves over to the new site, or make a new site entirely with these new rules of nothing being discussed about the games. You can't mix the two as no matter what, if you add a social aspect to what is basically a glorified Q&A forum now at this point then you are going to find that the fans want to discuss more, and more, and more, until you can't manage it and the staff gets burned out.

 

3) Allow for self moderation.

Enable some rules but leave it to a community to manage it day to day and have the Bioware mods be there to act as an authority figure.

Removing all off topic chat on a forum like this is idiotic. Removing NSFW chat is fair, but also kinda odd when they're trying to go for a more mature outlook. I didn't know mature meant PG13.

If anyone is caught on this forum at work and discussion NSFW stuff, it's their own damn fault. Bioware should have now qualms about that. Sure there need to be some rules on some off topic stuff.

 

I said stifle and I mean stifle! Stifle! Stifle! Stifle!

 

I can't believe that I'm going to try to be the voice of reason. Enough with the pissing matches. We've got problems and they require solutions. 

 

Problems:

1. There will be segmented closing of user-groups.

2. There an expectation that the trolls and flamers will spill out into the main forum area.
3. BW does not have enough staff to moderate the forum in its current format.

Solutions(?)
1. Ask BW to change forums to a user-moderated system or a hybrid version of it.
2. Automatically apply temp-bans to users who are reported by users as bots/hardcore trolls.
3. Automatically close/delete threads/posts reported as spam.
4. Build an 'unofficial' sister-site for BSN on an existing service made strictly for "non-BW related" discussions.

Anything to add to this? Any other problems not identified? 

 

Sorry for bringing up something from two pages past but these are pretty much the options.

I think the fourth option honestly works best.

Keep this site as the main one with only discussing the games and have another site for anything off topic where groups can go, or remodel and reopen the old one. Where the infrastructure is already in place an they just have to remove all the stuff about the games.

 

EDIT: Also apologies for the rant. I honestly just heard about it and the rumour train just started running for me.

[Creator Limbs]

That headknowlledge with the extra "l" isn't what you think "son". That joke is getting old "son". Yer not funny "son".

 
Someone's butthurt.
 

What the heck are you talking about dude? There aren't any bullies here. Hide from what? From who? Worst side of the fanbase? Strong hyperbole there man. The positivity of this forum isn't centralized around you and your "group". Please don't pedestalize yourself and your "group" as the only faces of goodness here.

 
He's not "pedestalizing" his group. He's objecting to a new rule using what he knows, which is a group he is part of.

It's hilarious to me, by the way, that you would state that there are no bullies. I seem to recall a time when you and your friends followed me around and harassed me in every post I made. Without groups, who knows where I would've gotten away from you tools.
 

He seems pretty calm to me. Say that to everyone else

 
 lighten up =/= calm. Never has. Never will.

I wasn't aware you owned this site or that I required your permission.   The truth may hurt and Bioware is smart to clean up the groups and forums.  All that spectre nonsense and trolling elitist crap they allowed was stupid.   I was checking on inquisition anyway.   I don't play ME3 nor do I really intend to again so no reason to be here.

In case you missed it, my post was a joke. But to reiterate in a more serious manner: seriously, why do you even bother coming here if you hate everything so much? We get it, you're jaded, and hate socializing. I wonder who rustled your jimmies? Oh wait, I don't because you've stated it pretty clearly that you're still upset about some events pertaining to Spectre. 
 

I think this thread might be about 6 pages long and contain MUCH less fighting if we'd have Bioware employees helping in sorting out any misconceptions and the like.
 
It's almost like we need a community manager or something.

Weird!

[chcknwng]

We need ninja stan.

[Creator Limbs]

We need ninja stan.

He's the hero we need, but not the one we deserve right now.

[Deathangel008]

@ all the Bioware employees, why don´t you say anything here? do you really don´t give a damn about the community´s thoughts??

[GreyLycanTrope]

I think this thread might be about 6 pages long and contain MUCH less fighting if we'd have Bioware employees helping in sorting out any misconceptions and the like.

 

It's almost like we need a community manager or something.

 

 

This thread was opened to discuss your thoughts to keep them from spilling into forum topics. 

This thread is mainly crowd control. Don't hold your breath.

 

They'll make more statements once they put what they feel is the right PR spin on it.