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Or what they could do is be like the battlefield forums where topics must be approved first before posted (no groups at all), or the cod forums where topics are limited to just one page (no groups at all), or Diablo forums where you have to be a premium member paying money to access certain areas of the forum.
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You're serious?
It's about time Bioware did this.
I'd take this more seriously if it wasn't just a huge assumption.
The feet stamping, pouting, hysterical posts, and glib remarks made by many of those who have voiced favor for these groups demonstrates otherwise.
The feet stamping, pouting, hysterical posts, and glib remarks made by many of those who have voiced favor for these groups demonstrates otherwise.
Not really
The feet stamping, pouting, hysterical posts, and glib remarks made by many of those who have voiced favor for these groups demonstrates otherwise.
Yes it demonstrates that they're not happy with the decison. Shocking I know, but if you think this is an indication of how people interact within groups you're fooling yourself.
You bring up a good example actually.The Character romance forums were toxic and what do you know? It was completely bioware related content.
What I am trying to say Jessica is that limiting the posts to a category or genre will not change the state of your forums. The users will not automatically "change" their ways and move into another domain. As long as you give these users a chance to use your platform they will still be here. The toxic nature will still exist. This is why you need to find a way to isolate this toxic environment that you speak of. It is not the service that the software provides but it is the culture behind the software.
Two different things at play.
Well they were toxic at times. Because the mods didn't do their jobs and the threads were too large to have an self moderation there. It was pointless trying to control that. If it was groups they are much easier to maintain as everyone knows each other. Hell the fact the Clan Zorah and Clan Vakarian groups lasted so long were a testament to that it can work and not affect the rest of the site.
Again I'd say that there will always be toxic people on the site no matter which area. But if it's in groups they can at least contain it to those groups. But there still need to be general rules in place for the groups. But so long as they're self governed and not affecting the rest of the site it really shouldn't matter.
Exactly,
Yes it demonstrates that they're not happy with the decison. Shocking I know, but if you think this is an indication of how people interact within groups you're fooling yourself.
It may not be how they act in the group, at any given time. That wasn't the point being made. What it does is it creates an enviroment in which they may behave as a group in the forums, for good or ill. This type of group think may have been seen as toxic in the forums since these subsets of users appear to express themselves in unhealthy ways when their group modality is stressed.
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Yes it demonstrates that they're not happy with the decison. Shocking I know, but if you think this is an indication of how people interact within groups you're fooling yourself.
Lies. That Muh Waifu place was horrible. Everyone hated everyone.
Bioware needs to crackdown on the filth that are the character threads next. They're not "discussion" threads so much as they are circle jerk waifu/husbandu fawning ones consisting of the same few weirdos who don't tolerate dissent. It'd do Bioware's image and rep wonders to get rid of them.
Bioware needs to crackdown on the filth that are the character threads next. They're not "discussion" threads so much as they are circle jerk waifu/husbandu fawning ones consisting of the same few weirdos who don't tolerate dissent. It'd do Bioware's image and rep wonders to get rid of them.
Considering as most of those threads would be best moved towards groups their current decisions are retarded.
I mean you sweep them under the rug of a self governing place where they're still technically part of the community with the main forum being cleaner.
Even if you don't agree with the content of said threads no-one deserves just outright banning because of them. And hell that topic is more on topic than those the groups dedicated to some characters discuss. Well in Bioware's eyes anyway.
Don't mind Seb he just wants the entire forum to burn for his amusement.
It may not be how they act in the group, at any given time. That wasn't the point being made. What it does is it creates an enviroment in which they may behave as a group in the forums, for good or ill. This type of group think may have been seen as toxic in the forums since these subsets of users appear to express themselves in unhealthy ways when their group modality is stressed.
Speaking from personal experiance group think doesn't really occur, everyone has a different approach to how they choose to behave within the groups as well as within the forums. All groups do is provide a place we you can sit back relax and get to know people without the need to worry about a thread getting locked for going off topic when we crack an occasional joke or digress from the topic. If anything it helps break down divisions between people over common grounds and laid back atmospheres instead of creating group modality. Everyone is an indivdual responsible for their own actions, everyone who choses to hang out at a bar is not an alcoholic.
I hope they delete the "friends" feature next.
Too social.
Too much community.
I often find myself tempted to simply browse for my friends' posts and read and comment on them rather than simply discussing the latest Bio-tweet or singing the praises of the quarian engineer.
In all seriousness though, the language used with regard to groups being saved when polls and such were removed was misleading at best. I and many others might actually be quite understanding about why many groups are being removed if only some reasonable explanation were given. Even better if there were criteria that allowed some more popular groups to remain, or if more warning were given.
This was just not handled well and I expected better (some of you will say shame on me, but I choose to hold an optimistic view of Bioware in general).
Don't mind Seb he just wants the entire forum to burn for his amusement.
Speaking from personal experiance group think doesn't really occur, everyone has a different approach to how they choose to behave within the groups as well as within the forums. All groups do is provide a place we you can sit back relax and get to know people without the need to worry about a thread getting locked for going off topic when we crack an occasional joke or digress from the topic. If anything it helps break down divisions between people over common grounds and laid back admospheres instead of creating group modality. Everyone is an indivdual responsible for their own actions, everyone who choses to hang out at a bar is not an alcoholic.
And he is one of the main reasons why I prefer the groups as anyone looking to stir stuff up can just be removed from the community.
A cooperative multiplayer enhancing the social aspect, shocking
ikr? even more ironic is that the multiplayer community that had coalesced through BSN and before (from DA players, older ME games, etc.) had become one of the most intelligent and tight knit MP communities out there in my experience, perhaps save for MMOs which are a lot larger anyway. it was all because of BSN being a place where people could interact, and I thought they were rather proud to have built that kind of player base. sure we have trolls, flame wars and general stupidity but this is the internet.
... and I was just getting over my stubborn self and regaining my eyesight after the switchover from BSN to here. almost lost me in that move.
... and still trying to figure out why we have groups at all after this? how are groups useful outside the forum structure? I think I need a refresher
So... you're closing down the groups that hold a huge chunk of the Off-Topic content in check...
To keep off-topic toxicity from spreading to the main forum...
I thiiiink I might have spotted a flaw in that reasoning. But I'm sure our Glorious EAverlords don't want to hear the opinions of this lowly Vidya gamer.
I've been going back and forth on this since the announcement. I presented the case of how groups can be a positive thing (this was months back in a thread now buried in this subforum), but that's really all anyone can do.
It's BioWare's site. I had a feeling this was coming ever since they dropped the "social" from their domain name. I'm not surprised and, honestly, not even really upset. It's their prerogative to decide to just convert to being a forum. Also, the timing makes sense as this really is just a venting thread. To announce what will be viewed as an unpopular decision on a Thursday afternoon before a holiday weekend is a fairly traditional PR move, as it gives people the long weekend to "get over it", so to speak, before The Powers That Be return on Monday/Tuesday.
I'm disappointed, though, certainly. When we kept drifting off-topic in one of the subforums, it was recommended we create a group to contain that off-topicness and keep the forum clean. We did so, but now with this new rule, that means the group will be terminated in less than a week (but I do appreciate at least being given a week to prepare and get people/threads moved off-site). It's a shame, but was not unexpected. Unfortunately, The Off-Topic Lobby isn't really a suitable replacement, so we'll simply pick up and move on as requested. It'll mean split time for me to still stay active in the (now off-site) group and the BioWare Forum. But oh well.
What is sad is that I know this decision will be driving several (if not many more) really good, positive posters off of the forum entirely. I will greatly miss their presence here. I will still be here, but it will feel a bit different, that's for sure.
Still a good forum, but this decision is certainly a disappointing one. To bring this all back around to BioWare properties, I can't help but feel a little bit of cross-symbolism with the Geth running the Quarians off of Rannoch or the Exalted March on the Dales sending the Dalish off to forever wander.
Has the OrlEAsian occupation gone too far this time? Must we relive the Battle of the River Dane?
At the end of the day people will still be here and they will be back if they do go. I agree with Dragonracer to a certain extent. I just disagree that alot of people will leave. Through every change bioware has made and the negative backlash of the community from limiting PMing to a friends only thing, fazing out projects, photos, etc, to ultimately changing the entire way the forum looks, and people are still here and still stuck/stick around. They are angry now but they will eventually get over it and adjust just like they did every other change. Alot of people have too much of an attachment here to just up and leave like that.
Not sure if anyone noticed but......
The mods probably never intended to respond to anyone's questions regarding the new rules. No sane mod would take this level of heat. This thread only serves as a means of ventilation and it's doing a damn good job at it. I bet they'll wait till this thread is somewhat dead then lock it and that'll be the end of it.
Solution 5: Actually listen to the community and don't follow through.
But we all know the odds of that happening are roughly the same as the next Dragon Age game taking place in a different galaxy.
Yes. The logical route would've been to ask for input prior to making such a drastic change. It doesn't make much sense to me to make a decision, then ask about how people feel about it afterwards. However if players don't like the solution they are providing then we must come up with a counter-solution. We can't simply bicker and just say 'no'. If there is a problem with toxic users/groups, then need to figure out how to handle them before they do because clearly we don't like BW's version of handling it.
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By far the most reasonable post in this thread, thumbs up.
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