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[Mistic]

That sounds boring.

I was under the impression that these days, people like storylines that actually go somewhere, rather than 'villain of the week' type installments. Afterall, why else would we keep playing Dragon Age and care about the lore if that lore didn't actually matter in the slightest?

What's the point of a mystery if it is not going to get resolved? What's the point of a story if it is never going to end? How can you appreciate a journey if you never reach your destination?

 

I draw a line between the already existing lore mattering and the already existing lore being the only lore that matters, without the possibility of having new meaningful lore. So new magics, rituals, organizations, books, secrets and, yes, villains can appear without the need to use previous lore.

 

Also, it depends of your definition of 'journey'. The Mass Effect trilogy was the story of Shepard and the reaper menace. However, the developers have said several times that the Dragon Age series is about Thedas, not a particular character, so I can't ask for the same. For me, each DA game is its own journey, so it does get resolved, it does end and you do reach your destination.

 

It's a matter of tastes, really. After all, there are many examples of RPG games that don't work as a roman-fleuve or as a long narrative arc. The Elder Scrolls and Final Fantasy series follow the "a different story for a different game" approach, to name some of the most famous.

[Gervaise]

The cause of the veil tear could be a combination of events.   We know that it is weakened by large scale death.  It would also appear to be affected by extremely strong emotion (clearly connecting people with the appropriate fade spirits and pulling them through) as shown in the latest book.   With previous stable areas like Orlais descending into chaos with the civil war and the mage/Templar situation, that may be making things more unstable.  Prior to that we had all the death and mayhem of the Blight and the events in Kirkwall, so things having been building up over a period of 10 years now, bit like a magma chamber in a volcano.

 

Then it has stretched so thin a powerful fade entity just punches through, presumably in the area where the Inquisitor is found, after which it sort of ripples out, causing breaches all over the place.   That is how it sounds from the trailer anyway.   Now we know that demons are constantly trying to get through, so once a big breach is made they are going to be working to keep it that way.   Hence multiple agents of chaos, possibly led by the powerful Fade entity.  

 

However, the more benign spirits don't like what has been done, and it is in their interests to get the tear closed again.  Hence them sending back one person with the power to repair the veil, possibly with attendant spirit inside them.    You see in Awakening we were told you could only repair the Veil from inside the Fade but clearly if a bit of the Fade comes with you into the mortal realm (which is how Karl described what Justice was inside Anders) then you would be able to do it from this side.  If that were the case, then how the Inquisitor conducts themselves would affect the nature of the spirit within, like with Anders and Justice.   If you become too angry and violent, you could warp your inner being so you could end up fighting yourself.   Remember how it was in Mask of the Betrayer?

 

Whatever the case, I don't think it will be as simply a matter as one big bad but several big bads working together or possibly even working independently of one another but to the same end.

[Cyr8]

You forgot one more cause of demons coming through a thinning veil: magic. Felassan, in the latest Dragon Age book, alluded to that while the party was journeying through the Eluvien(s).

[HunterX6]

How many years is DA:I set after then end of DA:2?

[Bond]

The one thing i am sure about the main villain is that we haven't met him yet. At best, he is mentioned somewhere, so vague, that no one will remember him. And i do not think he will be god or something as powerful, because it wont make sense just to go and kill him like the archdemon . Its not in DA style, if it were elder scrolls game - sure.

[Mistic]

However, the more benign spirits don't like what has been done, and it is in their interests to get the tear closed again.  Hence them sending back one person with the power to repair the veil, possibly with attendant spirit inside them.    You see in Awakening we were told you could only repair the Veil from inside the Fade but clearly if a bit of the Fade comes with you into the mortal realm (which is how Karl described what Justice was inside Anders) then you would be able to do it from this side.  If that were the case, then how the Inquisitor conducts themselves would affect the nature of the spirit within, like with Anders and Justice.   If you become too angry and violent, you could warp your inner being so you could end up fighting yourself.   Remember how it was in Mask of the Betrayer?

 

I like this idea. I didn't remember that part in Awakening, but it gives more clues for the Inquisitor being some kind of special abomination, like Wynne or Anders.

 

And just like Wynne or Anders, the idea of your choices affecting the spirit inside you little by little is great. Even if it doesn't mean anything in playable terms, but with the different epilogues it could be like Justice's fate in Awakening.

[Celtic Latino]

I think depending on who you side with it's possible the main villain could vary.

 

I'm placing some gold on Morrigan acting as a potential antagonist. At the end of Origins, if you turn down her request she turns into a wolf and flees into the night (Dread Wolf like others speculate...of course it could just be shapeshifting and I'm reaching way too far with that assumption). Still, her potentially teaching the Empress forbidden arts, being a court mage, and heavily involved in Orlesian politics highly suggests she spells potential trouble. She always had her own agenda in Origins, and after she goes into the Eluvian (which Masked Empire gets into), she could well be responsible for the Fade Tear (or partly responsible). Just because she joined the Warden in Origins and displayed somewhat of a soft side doesn't mean she can't or won't be a villain later on. It just adds that she's not a mustache-twirling inhuman beast of one.

 

I also think Flemeth has her hand in this whole scheme, namely due to her part in DA2 with the Dalish ritual. It seems like a constant power game between herself and Morrigan, with one maintaining balance and the other encouraging or forcing an act of change. Neither side is really 'good' but both cause chaos and havoc on a more cosmic-level scale for Thedas.

[Urdnot Amenark]

Flemeth probably won't be the big bad but she'll definitely have a role in the game, especially if Morrigan has one.

[Hydromatic]

Schmooples.

 

 

Bringer of darkness. Destroyer of worlds.

 

 

Pretty obvious i think.

[Inquisitor Julianos]

I think Flemeth is Fen'Harel because she is older than the chantry, and Fen'Harel locked all other gods away, and the Maker is Fen'Harel, and Andraste was just the first person to be Manipulated by Flemeth.

 

[Edit] and Fen'harel is the bad

 

...aaaand Go.

[Kimarous]

I know there's generally an obligation in RPGs (and most games) that there exists a final boss who's generally the Big Bad... but what if there ISN'T a Big Bad? Bad guys, sure, but nobody "behind it all." Maybe the fade tear is a reaction to the events of the world - say, the Mage-Templar war and all its rampant blood magic and red lyrium abuse, and then various forces found a way to keep it open.

 

Until provided with evidence that a particular force is responsible for everything, I'm going to consider the rips in the Veil as "natural disasters" that I just happen to be capable of dealing with.

[Inquisitor Julianos]

Ooooh i like that, like... "Magical Fallout" from the massive use of magic and templar power

[Joseph Warrick]

I hope it's just Tevinter mages trying to conquer heaven again. Their thinking is: "ok the world down there will be destroyed but whatever, we will be living in heaven by then. We can build it again if we want to since we'll be gods."

 

The occasion is ideal what with the veil being unstable because of Anders and everybody busy fighting each other. Lots of apostates join them, some desperate and some others seduced.

 

They get help from an old god they set free. To chase after them you need help from either another old god or Morrigan plus either Flemeth or Morrigan's kid.

 

I have no idea how to link that to the more earthly problems with Orlais and such.

[Ello Naver]

The cause of the veil tear could be a combination of events.   We know that it is weakened by large scale death.  It would also appear to be affected by extremely strong emotion (clearly connecting people with the appropriate fade spirits and pulling them through) as shown in the latest book.   With previous stable areas like Orlais descending into chaos with the civil war and the mage/Templar situation, that may be making things more unstable.  Prior to that we had all the death and mayhem of the Blight and the events in Kirkwall, so things having been building up over a period of 10 years now, bit like a magma chamber in a volcano.

 

I agree, it seams that several events have lead to the veil being greatly weakened.
It is like someone have been leading the world to a point where the veil tear is possible. My money is on Flemeth, she seems to have a hand in all the major events that happen, combined with her great insight of what will happen in the future. That said she's not necessarily the villain of this game, the veil tear might just be a part of her plan.

For example Flemeth knew that the blight would come to Ferelden (in the stolen throne), she was the one behind the preservation of the dragons (silent grove), she used king Maric to revive some of the greatest of the dragon ilk, she manipulated the grey warden to stop the blight (DAO), her involvement with Hawke (DA2) and similar events. And who knows what else she might be involved in (the spirit is believed to have been bound to her around 3:00 Tower). She seem to be guiding the world towards a certain path.

And there are actually several thing pointing to Flemeth being Fen'Harel, just saying.

[Ello Naver]

Just want to mention the article

http://www.ausgamers...es/read/3432915

It would seem that he is revealing a little more than he is allowed to do. But he says this:
"You certainly see a lot of different factions who would be able to step up and face this threat but are in a position of weakness for a number of different reasons. So someone is clearly behind all this, and that person is our main enemy in the game, and we have to do what we have to do. That's the loophole of the Inquisition, that they have the freedom to do what has to be done."

Expressing that there will in fact be a main villain in this game.

[Ello Naver]

How many years is DA:I set after then end of DA:2?

It's set at about 9:40 whilst DA2 ended at 9:37.

[wright1978]

I personally hope the antagonist isn't Fen'harel. I'd prefer the antagonist not to be a deity and certainly not one of more interesting and ambiguous mythical figures in the game.

[Kimarous]

Just want to mention the article

http://www.ausgamers...es/read/3432915

It would seem that he is revealing a little more than he is allowed to do. But he says this:
"You certainly see a lot of different factions who would be able to step up and face this threat but are in a position of weakness for a number of different reasons. So someone is clearly behind all this, and that person is our main enemy in the game, and we have to do what we have to do. That's the loophole of the Inquisition, that they have the freedom to do what has to be done."

Expressing that there will in fact be a main villain in this game.

 

Yeah... I only noticed that after I made that post. Seemed good at the time. Depending on how things play out, might make for a good mindset for some initial roleplaying until it's clear something's definitely afoot.

 

As it stands, though, I consider there to be too little information on the subject to even guess at this point.

[JakeLeTDK]

Schmooples! 2 legged creatures run this world long enough. Now is the time for nug total domination. For every single ones that had fallen prey to the dwarves. we will finally get our revenge!!!

[RobRam10]

Could be The Formless One (one of the Forbidden Ones) or a even a more powerful Demon or Fen'Harel.

[nihiliste]

The thing about the Fen'harel theory is that the figure that kills Fel was looking for the password to the Eluvians.  But the password was something like "the dread wolf's blessing" wasn't it?  It sounds like if Fen'harel would real he has something to do with the way the eluvians work and would surely be aware of such a password.

 

The other thing is that Fel seems to have great respect for Fen'harel and keeps using him as a teaching point - whereas he seems to fear the figure he interacts with at the end and sounds like he was only reluctantly working for it, given the way he worked against it's directives.

 

Besides, too many clues were dropped about Fen'harel, that it seems like it has to be purposely misleading.

 

I'm putting my money on it being something else.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

It's the Talkative Man.

 

Tired of having his fourth wall broaching comments ignored he's decided to open the fade and watch this world burn.

 

The final battle will involve protecting Varric while he engages in 4th wall breaching verbal combat with the fiend.

[Divine Justinia V]

prob the guy causing the giant hole in the sky tbh

[oceanicsurvivor]

I don't think Fen'Harel killed Felassan. The entire book had Felassan explain how Fen'Harel always found clever ways to kill people or get his mission accomplished. Simply murdering Felassan doesn't fit that profile. So I think someone else is responsible for Felassan's death.

[Augustei]

I thought Inquisition would take place in 9:41 Dragon at least since Asunder & TME took place in 9:40 dragon and seem to have gone on for a while.

Anyway I think it might be Corypheus imo.