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[Friera]

I just replayed DA2 now. I have never supported the templars, as I believe the way they treat mages are wrong. But Fenris keeps telling Hawke that if mages are free, they will take controll and slave the non-mages. So does free mages make them conquerors? If the mages "win the war"  in DAI, will it lead to another Tevinter Imperium?

 

In my opinion the Tevinter Imperium seems even worse than the Circle. But it is in human nature to seek domination. And mages are stronger than regular folks. So is the cicle a necessity then?

 

What do you guys think?

[Wolfen09]

i would have to give the benefit of the doubt to the mages... tevinter has been the same before any sort of circle was formed, which makes the whole magic domination thing deeply engraved into their culture...  i dont see that happening with the other countries, simply because the people arent conditioned mentally for the tevinter culture...  there will be a few bad eggs sure, but as a whole i dont see it... due mainly to the cultural differences of the tevinter circle and other circles

[Beerfish]

Well it is not just non mages that would be enslaved more powerful mages would dominate other mages (or at least that is part of the problem with 'free mages')  Part of the non free mage arguement is that many mages would still be wearing shackles of a differnt sort if things went the Tevinter way,

[Tevinter Soldier]

see your problem is your listening to Fenris, He's malfunctioning, best bet is return him to Danarius. After doing so the good chap sends you letter letting you know Fenris has been returned to proper working order and gives you some compensation money for carrying the burden known as fenris around for a bit.

[Nethalf]

According to Gaider, there's no such thing as equality for every mage. Some fancy hat wearers dominate others.

[whogotsalami]

Senators try to gain more power by either wealth, alliances, blood magic, personal magic prowess. So usual political shitstorm. Daggers in Nevarra or Orlais, Fireball in Tevinter. Either way it gets things done.

 

 

http://dragonage.wik...vinter_Imperium for more detailed read

[MisterJB]

I don't think that free mages would build a Tevinter that functioned in very much the same manner to the old one simply due to the fact culture has changed much in the past millenia.

However, society is, by its very nature, competetitive. And magic is a tremendous advantage. If mages were free, then it would be inevitable that they would use their powers to pursue their own interests in way normal people could not compete. Therefore economical and political power would, slowly but surely transfer to the mage side until normals become second class citizens.

 

This can be observed. Every society that is not Andrastean or Qunari has free mages and, in all of these cultures, mages are the rulers. Tevinters has its magisters, the Dalish their Keepers, the Chansind the shamans, Rivain the seers.

So, yes, free mages equal magical domination of society.

[Milan92]

I don't think that free mages would build a Tevinter that functioned in very much the same manner to the old one simply due to the fact culture has changed much in the past millenia.

However, society is, by its very nature, competetitive. And magic is a tremendous advantage. If mages were free, then it would be inevitable that they would use their powers to pursue their own interests in way normal people could not compete. Therefore economical and political power would, slowly but surely transfer to the mage side until normals become second class citizens.

 

This can be observed. Every society that is not Andrastean or Qunari has free mages and, in all of these cultures, mages are the rulers. Tevinters has its magisters, the Dalish their Keepers, the Chansind the shamans, Rivain the seers.

So, yes, free mages equal magical domination of society.

 

Mages are oppressed! they said. They deserve freedom! they said. But in truth it would only create the same system except the higher class would have much more power because of the magic.

 

Who is oppressed now?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Yep it is pretty obvious at this point series didn't even tried hide that just look at da 2 besides da world is corrupted and hopeless i don't see why mages should be exception.

 

 

see your problem is your listening to Fenris, He's malfunctioning, best bet is return him to Danarius. After doing so the good chap sends you letter letting you know Fenris has been returned to proper working order and gives you some compensation money for carrying the burden known as fenris around for a bit.

And yet he was right in his every setence about mages so well...

[Divine Justinia V]

I also don't think it would turn into another Tevinter Imperial age, at all. I think in modern day Thedas it's very possible for non-mages to fight Mages fire with fire if something like that did happen, as we can so clearly see.

If the Mages won the war and were granted freedom and equality in DA:I, I think it's quite plausible to assume there would be more than a few bad apples in the mix that would want all that power -- but that's in every faction.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I also don't think it would turn into another Tevinter Imperial age, at all. I think in modern day Thedas it's very possible for non-mages to fight Mages fire with fire if something like that did happen, as we can so clearly see.

If the Mages won the war and were granted freedom and equality in DA:I, I think it's quite plausible to assume there would be more than a few bad apples in the mix that would want all that power -- but that's in every faction.

 

power corrupts end of the story especially undeserved power pretty much thats why 99,99 % of magisters is giggling villains. same for every mage that tastes freedoom and even some that don't...

[Divine Justinia V]

power corrupts end of the story especially undeserved power pretty much thats why 99,99 % of magisters is giggling villains.

 

And that's seen in every faction, both Mage and Templar, Chantry and Royalty. It's inevitable in a setting like Dragon Age.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

those "free" mages have no idea how to govern themselves, they have no idea what to do beside yelling "freedom" and drooling all over the place. i'm pretty amazed how they managed to actually fight templars and leave circles. another Tevinter? pfft, they should be so lucky. maybe in few centuries.

[TheKomandorShepard]

And that's seen in every faction, both Mage and Templar, Chantry and Royalty. It's inevitable in a setting like Dragon Age.

Yep but with other factions consequences are lesser templars don't chop peoples for **** and giggles and because they can we have some abuses in rare cases even in most "corrupted" circle when mages well lets sum that up creating blight mass murder with sacrifices and pointless killing for giggles. 

 

So i will go with templar sanity is better...even if templars have it little they have it much more than mages...

[whogotsalami]

those "free" mages have no idea how to govern themselves, they have no idea what to do beside yelling "freedom" and drooling all over the place. i'm pretty amazed how they managed to actually fight templars and leave circles. another Tevinter? pfft, they should be so lucky. maybe in few centuries.

I'm amazed that Tevinter Imperium managed to last for over 2000 years being a magocracy

[Divine Justinia V]

Yep but with other factions consequences are lesser templars don't chop peoples for **** and giggles and because they can we have some abuses in rare cases even in most "corrupted" circle when mages well lets sums that up creating blight mass murder with sacrifices and pointless killing for giggles. 

 

So i will go with templar sanity is better...even if templars have it little they have it much more than mages...

 

Corrupted Templars can be just as evil as corrupted Mages.

 

Honestly, I can't even understand you.

[Tevinter Soldier]

Mages are oppressed! they said. They deserve freedom! they said. But in truth it would only create the same system except the higher class would have much more power because of the magic.

 

Who is oppressed now?

 

then your argument is irrelevant you admit mages are oppressed and justify it by suggesting free mages would simply oppress mundanes.

In this case it's "a might makes right" decision. Which means if mages did take control and oppressed others they would have every right to do so because letting Mundanes have freedom only leads to magi being oppressed.

[Milan92]

then your argument is irrelevant you admit mages are oppressed and justify it by suggesting free mages would simply oppress mundanes.

In this case it's simply a might makes right decision. Which means if mages did take control and oppressed others they would have every right to do so because letting Mundanes have freedom only leads to magi being oppressed.

 

Well I never said one should take my post seriously  But I don't really see the logic in yours either

[In Exile]

Magic naturally engenders a lot of power and status - if you're a good, capable mage. One thing that we're missing is that most mages suck. There are people with magical talent that can't do a lot with it and can't cast a great deal of great or powerful spells. If mages are free, they'll certainly rise to the upper echelon of society. But that doesn't mean that society will be oppressive - like Tevinter. 

[EmissaryofLies]

Free mages? 

 

Don't be ridiculous. Free mages equals eventual mage rule, and ruling mages is inevitably a bad thing. As the bad mages will not have a countermeasure to their authority. The mages who are good and would oppose such tyranny by their own kind simply do not exist. Because diversity among mages is absolutely unknown, just ask the many mage fraternities, some whom even wish to serve the common man. 

 

But no no no no NO! We should continue to antagonize and hate mages, thereby creating more Adrians and Anders, while your Wynnes and Malcolms begin to dwindle in number as you've stomped whatever good nature they could have had out of them. 

 

By all means stay the ****** course. 

[Tevinter Soldier]

And yet he was right in his every setence about mages so well...

 

Right and wrong is complete dependant on where your standing.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Corrupted Templars can be just as evil as corrupted Mages.

 

Honestly, I can't even understand you.

 

Sorry but i didn't saw templars making sacrifices killing 1000 of slaves for power or kiling childrens on their parties for fun so well... most of templars are well knight templars with some abuser when mages well most of them is or will end as insane laughing villain pretty much entire dragon age 2 and tevinter empire...

 

 

Right and wrong is complete dependant on where your standing.

 

F:Mages are corrupted

H nah not every mage is that

5 minutes and 1000 corrupted ( and dead )mages later

F:see ?

H:eeee i don't know what to say

brutal truth strikes again

[Divine Justinia V]

Free mages? 

 

Don't be ridiculous. Free mages equals eventual mage rule, and ruling mages is inevitably a bad thing. As the bad mages will not have a countermeasure to their authority. The mages who are good and would oppose such tyranny by their own kind simply do not exist. Because diversity among mages is absolutely unknown, just ask the many mage fraternities, some whom even wish to serve the common man. 

 

But no no no no NO! We should continue to antagonize and hate mages, thereby creating more Adrians and Anders, while your Wynnes and Malcolms begin to dwindle in number as you've stomped whatever good nature they could have had out of them. 

 

By all means stay the ****** course. 

 

preach

[MisterJB]

It's not the mage who slits his wrists while cackling maniacally that people should fear.

It's the mage who just invented electricity that can only be produced through the use of magic and who is now selling this to every country in Thedas that people should be scared of.

[mousestalker]

I think there is a happy medium here. As long as the mages are not free, but are in fact reasonably priced, then we can avoid another Tevinter imperium.