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[Dean_the_Young]

This sounds like a tacit acknowledgement that the only functional difference between "blood magic" and "legitimate" magic is the arbitrary judgement of Chantry officials.

 

All human laws are arbitrary. Short of believing in literal commandments from an inherently legitimate figure such as a god, no one found some inherent rule or definition for 'this magic is okay' and 'this magic is bad.' Someone had to come up with the distinction. So there's no tacit aknowledgement that rules are arbitrary: there is a blatant and in-your-face 'no duh ****, laws are arbitrary.' No one has to make abuse a crime.

 

Mind you, the functional difference between 'blood magic' and 'legitimate' magic could be the functional difference of what they do and/or how they do it. Using blood as a component ingredient, as opposed to a fuel source and serving as mind control, is a functional difference. Based in the lore, this is a grey area with differing opinions. How much blood is used? What is the source? What are the effects? Is this a means of mental domination? Is it used to directly hurt someone?

[Dean_the_Young]

Not really. He decides to do it on a whim and asks the Warden and Ariane to keep it secret. 

 

Hooray! We have a meaningful, practical, and potentially legal distinction between what he does and what the Templars do.

 

Remember kids, don't cut yourselves or your neighbors unless it's for a legaly sanctioned in advance cause.

[Mockingword]

All human laws are arbitrary. Short of believing in literal commandments from an inherently legitimate figure such as a god, no one found some inherent rule or definition for 'this magic is okay' and 'this magic is bad.' Someone had to come up with the distinction. So there's no tacit aknowledgement that rules are arbitrary: there is a blatant and in-your-face 'no duh ****, laws are arbitrary.' No one has to make abuse a crime.

 

Mind you, the functional difference between 'blood magic' and 'legitimate' magic could be the functional difference of what they do and/or how they do it. Using blood as a component ingredient, as opposed to a fuel source and serving as mind control, is a functional difference. Based in the lore, this is a grey area with differing opinions. How much blood is used? What is the source? What are the effects? Is this a means of mental domination? Is it used to directly hurt someone?

Laws are "arbitrary" in the sense that they do not have to exist. But they cannot (or at least should not) be arbitrary in the sense of being capricious, or unsupported, or undetermined, or in the sense of being subject to individual will without restriction. Because that's just plain tyranny.

 

And that's the problem with "blood magic" and "maleficar" as terms. They're not clearly defined. Or, if they ever were, the Chantry has muddled those definitions by applying the labels capriciously to any sort of magic or mage that they do not approve of.

 

Since the Chantry itself doesn't have a clear definition of blood magic (or at least, none that they apply as rigidly as they ought), then on what basis does the Chantry, or Master Warder Z, make the claim that certain, Chantry-approved magicks, like phylacteries, do not qualify as blood magic?

[Master Warder Z_]

And then he asks the Warden and Ariane if they could keep it to themselves after calling it a Grey Area because some in the Chantry would call it blood magic. 

 

That's your preconception, If they viewed it as such why do they allow the circles to teach it?

 

My question to you.

[TheKomandorShepard]

How chantry doesn't have defition of blood magic? blood magic is one of types of magic that is prohibited so blood magic have definition.Is chantry using blood magic yep DG said that but thats not point why blood magic was forbidden only because it is dangerous and prevents control of mages.Not to mention that phylacteries are safe and used in secured terms.Military can use machine gunes civilians not hypocrisy or common sense?

[Cobra's_back]

I don't think free mages will equal another Tevinter

 

But then again I'm not for total mage freedom either 

 

I don't as well. I do agree you need a system that can monitor without it being a prison. Tevinter mages have different social norms than the Ferelden mages. Instead of a tower maybe they should consider a community setting allowing the mages to marry and have kids. Keep the templars around to police the situation. Teach mages more mediation and have them develop stronger will. Any new methods to keep them away from blood magic.

[Master Warder Z_]

Since the Chantry itself doesn't have a clear definition of blood magic (or at least, none that they apply as rigidly as they ought), then on what basis does the Chantry, or Master Warder Z, make the claim that certain, Chantry-approved magicks, like phylacteries, do not qualify as blood magic?

 

And what basis do you stand upon when you haphazardly declare them to be so? It seems to me we are arguing opinion and perspective, which some proport to be more then that because of an unspecified comment by Gaider which didn't explain much.

[General TSAR]

Walking WMDs must die, so their bones can be used to make Lyrium. 

[EmissaryofLies]

Ahahaha, I ****** love this place sometimes. 

[Cobra's_back]

How chantry doesn't have defition of blood magic? blood magic is one of types of magic that is prohibited so blood magic have definition.Is chantry using blood magic yep DG said that but thats not point why blood magic was forbidden only because it is dangerous and prevents control of mages.Not to mention that phylacteries are safe and used in secured terms.Military can use machine gunes civilians not hypocrisy or common sense?

 

Apparently it can let out demons and tear the veil.

 

Per wiki:

 

"It is theorized that the Veil tends to be weaker in places that feature, or have experienced, extensive death or use of magic.[1] What is known for sure is the use of blood magic can allow the Veil to be torn so that demons may physically pass through it into the physical world.[2] Areas that can be seen or felt where the Veil is thin are usually referred to as "tears" in the Veil, in keeping with the fabric metaphor. In fact, when the Veil itself tears it makes a sound like ripping cloth.[3]"

[TheKomandorShepard]

I don't as well. I do agree you need a system that can monitor without it being a prison. Tevinter mages have different social norms than the Ferelden mages. Instead of a tower maybe they should consider a community setting allowing the mages to marry and have kids. Keep the templars around to police the situation. Teach mages more mediation and have them develop stronger will. Any new methods to keep them away from blood magic.

To have control over someone you need take freedom that person more control you have less freedom they have. And current systam failed because it was to lax and templar couldn't control mages as they were more and more corrupted without their knowledge.Making system even more lax will be tragedy not only on abomnation ground but also on mages corruption ground.

 

Apparently it can let out demons and tear the veil.

 

Per wiki:

 

"It is theorized that the Veil tends to be weaker in places that feature, or have experienced, extensive death or use of magic.[1] What is known for sure is the use of blood magic can allow the Veil to be torn so that demons may physically pass through it into the physical world.[2] Areas that can be seen or felt where the Veil is thin are usually referred to as "tears" in the Veil, in keeping with the fabric metaphor. In fact, when the Veil itself tears it makes a sound like ripping cloth.[3]"

 

Well thats what i said but phylacteries are rather safe and controled by authorities well if mages tower can be safe from torn veil as magic weakens the veil.

[Mockingword]

How chantry doesn't have defition of blood magic? blood magic is one of types of magic that is prohibited so blood magic have definition.Is chantry using blood magic yep DG said that but thats not point why blood magic was forbidden only because it is dangerous and prevents control of mages.Not to mention that phylacteries are safe and used in secured terms.Military can use machine gunes civilians not hypocrisy or common sense?

If Chantry have definition blood magic, why use all time incorrectly?

 

Why Chantry should be allowed control mages anyway?

 

Sometimes military use weapons for bad, terrorise innocent, so not best analogy?

[EmissaryofLies]

Oh, this should be good. 

[Mockingword]

And what basis do you stand upon when you haphazardly declare them to be so? It seems to me we are arguing opinion and perspective, which some proport to be more then that because of an unspecified comment by Gaider which didn't explain much.

I never claimed to be arguing from anything other than my own opinion, but at least I, unlike the Chantry, have a workable definition of blood magic that I apply rigidly.

[Cobra's_back]

To have control over someone you need take freedom that person more control you have less freedom they have. And current systam failed because it was to lax and templar couldn't control mages as they were more and more corrupted without their knowledge.Making system even more lax will be tragedy not only on abomnation ground but also on mages corruption ground.

 

I don't agree. I believe in empowerment of the individual. Giving a person a reason to live a better and stable life as in give them the right to have a family with children. They are less likely to want to be an abomination if they have kids to take care of.

[Master Warder Z_]

Any one care for a crumble cookie?

[Hellion Rex]

Any one care for a crumble cookie?

Me please. I'm havin' a shitty day.

[Master Warder Z_]

Me please. I'm havin' a shitty day.

 

*Gives bag of crumble cookies with crushed nuts and fruit*

 

Baked goods always help, besides when the problem is diabetes.

[Wolfen09]

@eluvianix

 

if i had a dollar for every time you changed your profile pic, i wouldnt need to work anymore.... and like hell am i gonna give that cash to starving children in 3rd world countries....  i like my soft green papery currency

[Divine Justinia V]

Ahahaha, I ****** love this place sometimes. 

 

I know

 

Any one care for a crumble cookie?

 

Cookies are vile.

[Master Warder Z_]

@eluvianix

 

if i had a dollar for every time you changed your profile pic, i wouldnt need to work anymore.... and like hell am i gonna give that cash to starving children in 3rd world countries....  i like my soft green papery currency

 

I donate to causes i actually support.

 

The PLO, Golden Dawn, Volderguard

 

etc.

[Hellion Rex]

*Gives bag of crumble cookies with crushed nuts and fruit*

 

Baked goods always help, besides when the problem is diabetes.

Thanks, Z.

[Master Warder Z_]

Cookies are vile.

 

Just for that you aren't getting any of my baked goods.

[Divine Justinia V]

Just for that you aren't getting any of my baked goods.

 

I don't want them

[Hellion Rex]

I know

Cookies are vile.

And you are a monster. Z, still want to kill the Divine?