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#326
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Unfortunately I do believe history will repeat themselves. I don't think it'll be as bad as tevinter imperium, but I can see mages being the ruling class.

Unless templar training becomes commom place (doubt it due to lyrium beimg expensive) then mages will rule.

Apparently, ancient elves of arlathan was similar to modern orlais and that was when everyone was mage and there were no humans.

 

As long as they rule competently i dont see the problem.


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Hanako Ikezawa

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As long as they rule competently i dont see the problem.

Yeah. If someone shows they are a good leader, why should they be barred simply because they have magic?



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Bringing nukes into this? My, my, what a strawman argument.

Well both are destructive but as i said at least nukes can be controlled and don't blow up one after another at any moment.... so yes i wronged nukes comparing nukes to mages :whistle:

 

Well one of devs called mages walking bombs (possible nuclear i don't renember if there was nuclear part) so well i can compare them to bombs ;)

 

 

 

As long as they rule competently i dont see the problem.

 

i have challenge it is called found "good" mage in tevinter good luck with that :lol:



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I agree, magic is the nuke, not the mage...  its the person using it, so dont condmen all the mages for being capable of using the nuke....  it would be like killing off our government cause they have the button to our nukes, we havent done that and im pretty sure thats the last thing on the list



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As long as they rule competently i dont see the problem.

 

When they are carving up twelve year olds for rituals...I don't view that as competent rule.

 

And that's the issue that is continually ignored by the Folks harping for mage freedom, when you unlock the box and let social Darwinism dictate society.

 

It dictates society.



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Yeah. If someone shows they are a good leader, why should they be barred simply because they have magic?

 

Because they have methods of enforcing their rule that normal folks don't? Because if you don't trust normal people half the time with authority why would you trust a mage?

 

I can keep going.



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When they are carving up twelve year olds for rituals...I don't view that as competent rule.

 

And that's the issue that is continually ignored by the Folks harping for mage freedom, when you unlock the box and let social Darwinism dictate society.

 

It dictates society.

I don't know. People have been accepting the non-mage rulers doing just as terrible things for centuries now.  ;)



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she said good leader, not a tevinter magister.... some mages do have morals


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Because they have methods of enforcing their rule that normal folks don't? Because if you don't trust normal people half the time with authority why would you trust a mage?

 

I can keep going.

Please do. 



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Yesh they took much more victims with their single incident...

 

 

 

Hah yes because we don't have peoples who abuse their childrens or just abandoned them.Yes some do but pretty much that is reason why it is dangerous and will only increase number of blood mages and abomnation. See zathrian

examples

oh my daughter is sick i have to cure her but im too weak reaches for blood magic.

Oh that guards/bandits/whatever killed my family i will have my revenge (see zathrian) 

I need to increase life standarts for my family i know i will use my power to get what i want..,.

1000 other examples...

 

If they didn't had something to life for they would want to be dead they didn't... 

 

And what constitution is? if authorities wanted beat the crap out of you they would do that without hesitation in fact if you are interrogated by police they can do that and this isn't individual case it is approved by police of course they won't admit it on public but then you would scream about your "rights". Same if they want take you to military you can only scream about your freedom but they won't care.

 

So well rather naive views...

 

The majority of the population do not abuse their kids. This majority works to keep others in place just like the police do. We do not stop people from having families for the fear that they will harm their kids. 

 

Police attacks very interesting. If caught and proven they pay the price. They would have to say you attack them or were running away when they asked you to stop. I'm not at all worried that some police guy is going to take my rights away. If you are in the military technically you are property of the government and everything is handle by the military courts. This has nothing to do with the Bill of Rights. If your rights are violated and you can prove it then your lawyer takes the case. No State can change the Bill of Rights and they can't change on the fly. There is a process with checks and balances. The system works. You just have to know how to use it.


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#336
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she said good leader, not a tevinter magister.... some mages do have morals

Apparently every good mage we see are actually just putting on an act so they can stab us in the back at the opportune moment.  :rolleyes:



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Please do. 

 

Apparently every good mage we see are actually just putting on an act so they can stab us in the back at the opportune moment.  :rolleyes:

 

and duh, didn't you get their memo?


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#338
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I don't know. People have been accepting the non-mage rulers doing just as terrible things for centuries now.  ;)

 

In our reality? Sure, Because they can more or less be categorized into three.

 

ColdHearted Dictators who don't give a damn.

 

Benevolent Dictators who operate on a planned system.

 

Or incompetent Morons who got in there on blood or coin.

 

In all three cases you have the resources to enforce or support obedience, even so i'd argue social acceptance isn't the same as societal support of the action.

 

In theirs though? You have the same grouping more or less but they are all there because their dynasties for families achieved enough noteworthy success to end up on a throne, they didn't enthrall people to support their rule.

 

So no, Apathy doesn't lend credence to this, it lends support to Apathy.



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and duh, didn't you get their memo?

I read that in Morgan Freeman's voice.  :lol:


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Because they have methods of enforcing their rule that normal folks don't? Because if you don't trust normal people half the time with authority why would you trust a mage?

 

I can keep going.

 

"Because they have methods of enforcing their rule that normal folks don't?" Such as give example



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When they are carving up twelve year olds for rituals...I don't view that as competent rule.

 

And that's the issue that is continually ignored by the Folks harping for mage freedom, when you unlock the box and let social Darwinism dictate society.

 

It dictates society.

 

I like you.



#342
Hanako Ikezawa

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"Because they have methods of enforcing their rule that normal folks don't?" Such as give example

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Please do. 

 

Common perception is against it? Mages present risks that normal rulers do not? (In so far as possession) Add in what schooling should a mage be forced to endure before being put on a throne, where they should be educated and raised, and not to mention this opens the can of worms about if Nobles should be able to give titles to mages or no, which is currently illegal (thank the maker).

 

.-. In short, there are many compelling reasons to never attempt this, And bully for them i say.

 

Mages need to be in the circle, not on thrones.



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"Because they have methods of enforcing their rule that normal folks don't?" Such as give example

 

Ripping free will apart?

 

Normal rulers, they can bribe, kill or imprison you.

 

Blood Mage? Enthrallment.



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I like you.

 

Thank you, I like me too.


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Well both are destructive but as i said at least nukes can be controlled and don't blow up one after another at any moment.... so yes i wronged nukes comparing nukes to mages :whistle:

 

Well one of devs called mages walking bombs (possible nuclear i don't renember if there was nuclear part) so well i can compare them to bombs ;)

Comparing a nuke to a mage is like comparing a rabbit to a ball of cotton. It's illogical, and it demeans the organism. Mages are not weapons; they are people.


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#347
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The majority of the population do not abuse their kids. This majority works to keep others in place just like the police do. We do not stop people from having families for the fear that they will harm their kids. 

 

Police attacks very interesting. If caught and proven they pay the price. They would have to say you attack them or were running away when they asked you to stop. I'm not at all worried that some police guy is going to take my rights away. If you are in the military technically you are property of the government and everything is handle by the military courts. This has nothing to do with the Bill of Rights. If your rights are violated and you can prove it then your lawyer takes the case. No State can change the Bill of Rights and they can't change on the fly. There is a process with checks and balances. The system works. You just have to know how to use it.

 

As i said some do some not but i explained why attachment is dangerous especially for mage.And if there was nuke person i doubt that person would have same "rights" as you or me.

 

It isn't even about police attacks it is about interrogation and beating during them which isn't up to individual it is encouraged method to force someone to admit being guilty.Well do you know that that country can force you to serve in army and won't care if you like it or not?    

 

Well you can have rights on paper doesn't mean that goverment will care about them and won't broke it.

 

 

Comparing a nuke to a mage is like comparing a rabbit to a ball of cotton. It's illogical, and it demeans the organism. Mages are not weapons; they are people.

 

Comparing human to elve is wrong because elf have pointed ears...

 

sure mages are alive nukes not but both can inflict massive damage by exploding (in mages case figuratively) so danger is smiliar well in mages case even bigger.



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Ripping free will apart?

 

Normal rulers, they can bribe, kill or imprison you.

 

Blood Mage? Enthrallment.

 

No they can't. I have to be charged first. Then there are the lawyers and a jury. 



#349
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No they can't. I have to be charged first. Then there are the lawyers and a jury. 

 

._.

 

You have a bunch of misconceptions about Dragon Age don't you?

 

There aren't Juries, there aren't Lawyers.

 

We are still in the era of a Lord passing Judgement and his voice being the voice of law and god.



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Thank you, I like me too.

 

I disagree. 

 

Mages and Templars can live together. In perfect harmony. In a world where they have to rely on each other to survive. In order to combat a strange new enemy. They have to stand side by side and be willing to say "no" to the big red black and yellow monster who conspires against them. And only then can you like you.