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[EmissaryofLies]

Running from the circle = running from the Templars. 

 

But that's fair. She was on her last leg, however. 

[cronshaw]

Bioware does seem to like to deal in false dichotomies like that

see organic vs synthetic in the ME series.

Odd seeing how many characters and situations they like to present you with that prove these dichotomies false

but then the endgame rolls around and all you've got is red or blue 

[Mistic]

I suppose that a lot of points about mages, blood magic and abominations can't be really answered until we go on a trip to Tevinter. The country represents the dangers of mages abusing their powers, but so far they seem to do well with the abomination problem. I suppose that the fact that they have a version of the Circle (a privileged version, but still a version) and the Templars may help.

 

Bioware does seem to like to deal in false dichotomies like that

see organic vs synthetic in the ME series.

Odd seeing how many characters and situations they like to present you with that prove these dichotomies false

but then the endgame rolls around and all you've got is red or blue 

 

Don't forget green.

[Ryzaki]

Why on earth would a noble (who makes the local laws) ever bother with anatomy?

First of all you have to remember the social stigma there is surrounding the subject.  A noble studying this topic could suffer severe political and social blowback.

Second of all, if he is in the capacity of setting the law, means that he should be much more busy studying statemanship and warfare than anatomy.

 

You also have to remember that there is no visible or probably even physical difference betweena  mage and a mundane. If you were to stumble across a man cutting corpses apart, then you would probably also be jumping to all the wrong conclusions. Especially based on the fact that you would have NO knowledge of anatomy yourself, but you would know of the existance of apostates and maleficar.

 

The ban of anatomical research is a perfectly natural evolution of society, based on the threats posed by blood magic and the undead.

Uh medical advancements? Wanting to know how other species work on the inside? For one no one was just a wee bit interested in how Qunari worked compared to them? Or why the offspring of an elf - human union is always an human and is there something inside elves that make it so?

 

They would hardly be stumbling across a man doing such if they had scientists working on it. It's just boggling to me that no one seems to be the least interested in medical advancements outside using mages. Especially since the common man can't afford mages aid.

[Mistic]

Uh medical advancements? Wanting to know how other species work on the inside? For one no one was just a wee bit interested in how Qunari worked compared to them? Or why the offspring of an elf - human union is always an human and is there something inside elves that make it so?

 

They would hardly be stumbling across a man doing such if they had scientists working on it. It's just boggling to me that no one seems to be the least interested in medical advancements outside using mages. Especially since the common man can't afford mages aid.

 

The blood magic stigma may create a lot of problems, like several religious bans through history about the proper treatment of corpses. So it's neither unlikely nor unrealistic for the DA setting. Also, nobles and rulers don't seem the most likely people to investigate those matters.

 

However, that we haven't seem people interested in that field doesn't mean they don't exist. In Tevinter there aren't such qualms. Not to talk about the Mortalitasi in Nevarra, experts at managing corpses.

[Ryzaki]

The blood magic stigma may create a lot of problems, like several religious bans through history about the proper treatment of corpses. So it's neither unlikely nor unrealistic for the DA setting. Also, nobles and rulers don't seem the most likely people to investigate those matters.

 

However, that we haven't seem people interested in that field doesn't mean they don't exist. In Tevinter there aren't such qualms. Not to talk about the Mortalitasi in Nevarra, experts at managing corpses.

 

Yeah I was about to say people still did the things forbidden just behind closed doors. But hopefully we can meet a non mage doctor. That'd be interesting if nothing else.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Uh medical advancements? Wanting to know how other species work on the inside? For one no one was just a wee bit interested in how Qunari worked compared to them? Or why the offspring of an elf - human union is always an human and is there something inside elves that make it so?

 

They would hardly be stumbling across a man doing such if they had scientists working on it. It's just boggling to me that no one seems to be the least interested in medical advancements outside using mages. Especially since the common man can't afford mages aid.

How would any of that help him rule his Arling/Duchy/Barony/Whatever? There are only so many hours in the day, and they are MUCH better spent than wasting time on such a risky research topic.

[Ryzaki]

How would any of that help him rule his Arling/Duchy/Barony/Whatever? There are only so many hours in the day, and they are MUCH better spent than wasting time on such a risky research topic.

 

Could just be sheer curiosity.

 

Plus people did risky research in secret all the time.

 

Edit: Basically my whole argument was someone should be curious about it. And they probably are but we haven't seen them. So yeah. Off to play Shadowrun *flees*

[Asdrubael Vect]

I just replayed DA2 now. I have never supported the templars, as I believe the way they treat mages are wrong. But Fenris keeps telling Hawke that if mages are free, they will take controll and slave the non-mages. So does free mages make them conquerors? If the mages "win the war"  in DAI, will it lead to another Tevinter Imperium?

 

In my opinion the Tevinter Imperium seems even worse than the Circle. But it is in human nature to seek domination. And mages are stronger than regular folks. So is the cicle a necessity then?

 

What do you guys think?

pfff non-mages enslave non-mages and mages(Chantry Circles) more common than mages do, not talking about Qun what is far worst then slavery and if we talk about slavery Modern Tevinter Imperium slavery is really the best form of slavery what exist in all Thedas kingdoms, especially better than Orlais and Antiva/Rivain slavery.....and slavery in modern Tevinter exist mostly for economic reasons rather than sacrifices like it was in Ancient Tevinter, times then 90% of all Thedas humans worship for Old Gods who was a real bastards and humans was just slaves, a pets who eat a small candy just to give all Thedas to hands of darkspawns, Thedas was saved by elves again who give magisters a secret knoledge from the times of Arlathan about how to kick darkspawn asses by creating Grey Wardens

 

yes it was always will peacefuly or by a war leads to magocraty in all races who was or will(like Kossith who doomed their Qun bullshit with creating sareabas who sooner will wipe Tammasaran b*tches) have mages and people must deal with it because this is nature, biology and history of Thedas and Orlais with Orlais Chantry for just 600 years from  8500 of known try to go against nature for the own conquer and religion desires(because they cant win any country with mages ruleship) and created a monopoly for magic by enslaved mages in their Chantry Circles who brings so much money by magic services what Thedas and Thedas people will always need

 

all mages will win anyway as they do for 8500 years before and no matter if you free some circle mages or kill them, but the more your kill mages the more deamons wiil come and the more mages will born and the more mages will start a real war, not a smal rebellion of some enslaved by Orlais Chanty mages but mostly all real and powerfull mages like in Tevinter or Nevarra or Rivain or Dalish and other who rule non-andrastic barbarians and dragon worshippers and those non-mages who will for many reason die for them

 

i do not understand why Tevinter(if we talk about modern Tevnter) worst as any Thedas country who have of who not have magocraty, if we know info from lore this country is much better by description than many other countries especially better then Orlais or Antiva

 

i think that for all Thedas and their nations sake we must destroy Orlais Empire(with Bards and Chivaliers) with their Orlais Chantry and their Olrais Templars/Seekers because they created so much bad sh*t in 700 years for all Thedas and their nations that noone do for all Thedas history, they are like Darkspawns or Qunari Tammasarants who are need to be destroyed too.

[EmissaryofLies]

Have at 'em Pro-Templars I know you want to.

[Shadow Fox]

Have at 'em Pro-Templars I know you want to.

*offers popcorn*

[EmissaryofLies]

*offers popcorn*

 

Thank you, my darling.

 

Care for a drink on a Monday afternoon? Do not mind me if I do. 

[KainD]

like grandpa always said, you only like cops when they are arresting the guy who wronged you.... other than that they are a bunch of dicks

To be fair I rather they don't interfere when I deal with that guy myself.

[EmperorSahlertz]

pfff non-mages enslave non-mages and mages(Chantry Circles) more common than mages do, not talking about Qun what is far worst then slavery and if we talk about slavery Modern Tevinter Imperium slavery is really the best form of slavery what exist in all Thedas kingdoms, especially better than Orlais and Antiva/Rivain slavery.....and slavery in modern Tevinter exist mostly for economic reasons rather than sacrifices like it was in Ancient Tevinter, times then 90% of all Thedas humans worship for Old Gods who was a real bastards and humans was just slaves, a pets who eat a small candy just to give all Thedas to hands of darkspawns, Thedas was saved by elves again who give magisters a secret knoledge from the times of Arlathan about how to kick darkspawn asses by creating Grey Wardens

 

yes it was always will peacefuly or by a war leads to magocraty in all races who was or will(like Kossith who doomed their Qun bullshit with creating sareabas who sooner will wipe Tammasaran b*tches) have mages and people must deal with it because this is nature, biology and history of Thedas and Orlais with Orlais Chantry for just 600 years from  8500 of known try to go against nature for the own conquer and religion desires(because they cant win any country with mages ruleship) and created a monopoly for magic by enslaved mages in their Chantry Circles who brings so much money by magic services what Thedas and Thedas people will always need

 

all mages will win anyway as they do for 8500 years before and no matter if you free some circle mages or kill them, but the more your kill mages the more deamons wiil come and the more mages will born and the more mages will start a real war, not a smal rebellion of some enslaved by Orlais Chanty mages but mostly all real and powerfull mages like in Tevinter or Nevarra or Rivain or Dalish and other who rule non-andrastic barbarians and dragon worshippers and those non-mages who will for many reason die for them

 

i do not understand why Tevinter(if we talk about modern Tevnter) worst as any Thedas country who have of who not have magocraty, if we know info from lore this country is much better by description than many other countries especially better then Orlais or Antiva

 

i think that for all Thedas and their nations sake we must destroy Orlais Empire with their Orlais Chantry and their Olrais Templars/Seekers because they created so much bad sh*t for all Thedas and their nations that noone do for all Thedas history, they are like Darkspawns or Qunari Tammasarants who are need to be destroyed to

Uhm.. Tevinter slavery ahvn't changed at all through the ages. The owner has compelte and total control over the lives of his slaves. That means that he can both use them as sacrifice for his blood magic, or to build him a grand cathedral in his honor. So yeah, "ancient Tevinter slavery" and "modern Tevinter slavery" is a meaningless distinction to make, since it hasn't changed at all.

 

Tevinter also had knowledge of Blood Magic long before the first Darkspawn appeared. And the Elves had nothing to do with the creation of the Grey Wardens.

 

There is also nothing to indicate that magic is just a matter of genetics and evolution, so your claim that "there will naturally come more and more mages" as if that mages will one day outnumber mundanes is completely unsupported. As a matter of fact, even if it was a question of evolution, then mages being the naturally superior evolution to ****** sapiens, is also completely unsupproted, since mages have proven to have a staggering mortality rate without proper trainning. Meaning that in antural environments mages would ahve a higher mortality rate than mundanes, meaning MUNDANES would eventually outnumber mages. Which they coincidentally do now.

 

So yeah... Read more up on the lore.

[Aimi]

I'd expect a king/queen to be well read/researched.

Clearly you don't know much about kings and queens, then.

[EmissaryofLies]

What say you of the Burger King? Was he not a world renowned scholar? I say you he did. 

[Aimi]

You mean King Radical? The erstwhile Chuck Goodrich, Duke Sicknasty of Spades?

he was a chrononaut dude

[Ryzaki]

Clearly you don't know much about kings and queens, then.

 

Yeah I don't. My fucks given about medieval history is pretty low.

 

Fine let me amend that. I'd expect a king/queen that wasn't a puppet to be well read/researched especially considering Thedas in comparison to our world has a high literacy and education rate.

 

Edit: I don't know why on earth BW has the plural of swears not censored by the singulars. Who designed such an asinine filter?

[DKJaigen]

How would any of that help him rule his Arling/Duchy/Barony/Whatever? There are only so many hours in the day, and they are MUCH better spent than wasting time on such a risky research topic.

 

good thing our nobles took the time to do some research otherwise we would still be living in hovels

[EmperorSahlertz]

good thing our nobles took the time to do some research otherwise we would still be living in hovels

You mean it was a good thing that the monasteries and the arabs had enough brain pwoer to actually realize that knowledge was important? It wasn't the Nobles of Europe that rediscovered the old secrets of the Romans and the Greeks. The nobles of the world did disapeparingly little to actually do scientific research. Instead they would hire a "learned man" to handle such matters for them, and eventually teach them.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

pfff non-mages enslave non-mages and mages(Chantry Circles) more common than mages do, not talking about Qun what is far worst then slavery and if we talk about slavery Modern Tevinter Imperium slavery is really the best form of slavery what exist in all Thedas kingdoms, especially better than Orlais and Antiva/Rivain slavery.....and slavery in modern Tevinter exist mostly for economic reasons rather than sacrifices like it was in Ancient Tevinter, times then 90% of all Thedas humans worship for Old Gods who was a real bastards and humans was just slaves, a pets who eat a small candy just to give all Thedas to hands of darkspawns, Thedas was saved by elves again who give magisters a secret knoledge from the times of Arlathan about how to kick darkspawn asses by creating Grey Wardens

 

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all mages will win anyway as they do for 8500 years before and no matter if you free some circle mages or kill them, but the more your kill mages the more deamons wiil come and the more mages will born and the more mages will start a real war, not a smal rebellion of some enslaved by Orlais Chanty mages but mostly all real and powerfull mages like in Tevinter or Nevarra or Rivain or Dalish and other who rule non-andrastic barbarians and dragon worshippers and those non-mages who will for many reason die for them

 

Emperor handled this part pretty well, so I'm not going to reply.

 

 

yes it was always will peacefuly or by a war leads to magocraty in all races who was or will(like Kossith who doomed their Qun bullshit with creating sareabas who sooner will wipe Tammasaran b*tches) have mages and people must deal with it because this is nature, biology and history of Thedas and Orlais with Orlais Chantry for just 600 years from  8500 of known try to go against nature for the own conquer and religion desires(because they cant win any country with mages ruleship) and created a monopoly for magic by enslaved mages in their Chantry Circles who brings so much money by magic services what Thedas and Thedas people will always need

The Qunari have a great system of controlling mages, at least from a non-ethical standpoint. 

 

They are at all times with an Arvaarad(not Tammasaran) who is equipped with a control rod that can paralyze them in an instant until deactivated. If they are ever separated, they must be killed or commit suicide. And with them being raised in the Qun, the Saarebas know this as much as the Arvaarad and will do so, as seen when Ketojan kills himself if you kill the Arvaarad you run into. 

 

 

i do not understand why Tevinter(if we talk about modern Tevnter) worst as any Thedas country who have of who not have magocraty, if we know info from lore this country is much better by description than many other countries especially better then Orlais or Antiva

 

i think that for all Thedas and their nations sake we must destroy Orlais Empire(with Bards and Chivaliers) with their Orlais Chantry and their Olrais Templars/Seekers because they created so much bad sh*t in 700 years for all Thedas and their nations that noone do for all Thedas history, they are like Darkspawns or Qunari Tammasarants who are need to be destroyed too.

Tevinter is the worst because it is exteremely Social Dawimnistic and they still practice slavery openly. Their economy would collapse without it. 

 

Also, as bad as the Mage cituation has become due to the Chantry's actions, those were only a reaction to the Tevinter Magisters millennium of terrible crimes, personified in the releasing of the Blights. Tevinter has caused more tragedy than all other nations put together because of that. 

[dragonflight288]

._.

 

You have a bunch of misconceptions about Dragon Age don't you?

 

There aren't Juries, there aren't Lawyers.

 

We are still in the era of a Lord passing Judgement and his voice being the voice of law and god.

 

There ARE magistrates, and therefore there is a rule of law. 

[dragonflight288]

Yeah I was about to say people still did the things forbidden just behind closed doors. But hopefully we can meet a non mage doctor. That'd be interesting if nothing else.

 

In Awakening, Oghren asks about going to an apothecary for ointment for a rash. The elder of Lothering in Origins is seeking someone who is knowledgeable in medicines, tonics, and herbs.

 

There are non-mage doctors in the game, but they seem to be rare and rely on bandages, herbs and the like. 

 

Although we haven't seen anyone with a knowledge of how the body works. 

[Ryzaki]

Ah true. I forgot about the lothering lady.

[Red Panda]

I doubt non mage doctors are nearly as effective. There are no good antiseptics in such a primitive society.

 

Infection would still kill more than actual war wounds.