Fine, we'll take the casteless and place them in the Circles and take the mages and place them in Dust Town. Same rules.
Watch as the mages demand to return to the Circle and the Casteless kill them so they can remain in it.
Dust Town doesn't belong to the Chantry. I don't think the mages would mine. This places them at the source of the lyrium mines.
I completely agree with dragonflight's mage argument. The circle hurts more than it helps and is inhumane. A voluntary school for mages and a Templar police force to handle criminal offenses seems more appropriate to me.
And that is something that i call naive thinking... it is not about what is humane it is about what is working and effective everyone who rules know that if don't they will have to or will be terrible leader... in life you need to do bad things because they are more effective pretty much how every goverment work. And no making it even more lax when circle is proven to be not enough against mages and their danger is horrible solution.
The circle doesn't seem to be working or effective to me.
And i agree simple because as i said circle wasn't enough to prevent damage that mages are doing but making that even less restricted is stupid when it sucks already when it comes about security...
The circle doesn't seem to be working or effective to me.
To be fair, it has protected the mundanes for almost a thousand years. If that is the only thing that one cares about, 'it works'.
The problem lies with the fostering of mage resentment through the circle system's injustices. As we've seen with people like Anders, Adrian, Fiona, and even Wynne to an extent.
A reformed circle that all parties can agree and stick to would do wonders. This new system and its covenant must be protected at all costs, the circle started off as a solution for all parties and then devolved into what it is now.
To be fair, it has protected the mundanes for almost a thousand years. If that is the only thing that one cares about, 'it works'.
The problem lies with the fostering of mage resentment through the circle system's injustices. As we've seen with people like Anders, Adrian, Fiona, and even Wynne to an extent.
A reformed circle that all parties can agree and stick to would do wonders. This new system and its covenant must be protected at all costs, the circle started off as a solution for all parties and then devolved into what it is now.
Sadly in truth it worked porly as we saw... numbers of apostates , blood mages , abomnations and corrupted mages outside and insane circle are enormous and every of them can cause colosal damage hell even end of the world.
"Justice" works only when you can afford it in mages you can't as justice and reality don't like each other and reality always win.
Circle was system to control mages nothing more never was intention to help mages well unless you are naive and belive that someone is trying that for you.It failed terribly.
As i said don't think that mages can't be controled because of their danger like nukes but human nature and being alive prevents controling them so better kill them and have problem solved.
Sadly in truth it worked porly as we saw... numbers of apostates , blood mages , abomnations and corrupted mages outside and insane circle are enormous and every of them can cause colosal damage hell even end of the world.
"Justice" works only when you can afford it in mages you can't as justice and reality don't like each other and reality always win.
Circle was system to control mages nothing more never was intention to help mages well unless you are naive and belive that someone is trying that for you.It failed terribly.
As i said don't think that mages can't be controled because of their danger like nukes but human nature and being alive prevents controling them so better kill them and have problem solved.
It seemed to work quite well for mundanes. Most of them were more likely to be killed by darkspawn or bandits than apostates or abominations.
The sentiment that I'm expressing is that the system needs to be fair to mages. Creature comforts and then looking the other way when a Karras or Alrik happens upon the scene is not fair. That isn't even the worst of it either and to be clear I am not saying that circles are full of malevolent templars. I believe that most are just doing their jobs to the best of their ability. That doesn't diminish the Alrik or the Karras stationed in the Circle, however.
Considering that Divine Ambrosia II was thinking of an exalted march and her own templars turned her down and mages ultimately received what they wanted? A place to study and practice magic in isolation? Yeah, the circle was something that both parties agreed to in its origination.
Better kill them and have problem eventually become a thousand times worse as you introduce a new generation of mages to a society that actively wishes to murder them. They will look over and see Tevinter and quite a few of them will be inspired to emulate their free brethren and they will have absolutely no reason to not do so.
They ask them for help and the mages are free to refuse. They don't do it because it's in their best interests to earn some good rep.
Plus, the only cases we know of the mages being allowed to fight was against the Darkspawn and the Qunari.
Actually, according to the books:
Marc used Wilhelm mage
King Meghren's right hand man was Severan mage
Severan used the Orlesian Circle mages in battle against the rebel forces.
Per dragon age lore:
"Though they are often ostracized to the point of persecution, mages are key for everyday life in Thedas. They serve as its healers, scholars, scientists, and weapons of war."
They are the slaves of the Chantry. They are another business opportunity just like the Lyrium trade.
It seemed to work quite well for mundanes. Most of them were more likely to be killed by darkspawn or bandits than apostates or abominations.
The sentiment that I'm expressing is that the system needs to be fair to mages. Creature comforts and then looking the other way when a Karras or Alrik happens upon the scene is not fair. That isn't even the worst of it either and to be clear I am not saying that circles are full of malevolent templars. I believe that most are just doing their jobs to the best of their ability. That doesn't diminish the Alrik or the Karras stationed in the Circle, however.
Considering that Divine Ambrosia II was thinking of an exalted march and her own templars turned her down and mages ultimately received what they wanted? A place to study and practice magic in isolation? Yeah, the circle was something that both parties agreed to in its origination.
Better kill them and have problem eventually become a thousand times worse as you introduce a new generation of mages to a society that actively wishes to murder them. They will look over and see Tevinter and quite a few of them will be inspired to emulate their free brethren and they will have absolutely no reason to not do so.
Well not rly sure it reduced damage that mages could done but just a little connor , zathrian , baroness ,anders and many mages more. Escaping from are common i mean wth? Anders escaped 8 possible 9 times , malcolm escaped , jowan escaped despite being well an idiot and much more mages.Many mages aren't even caputred by circles. Simple it doesn't work if main missions are about fixing damage that mage caused.
Life isn't fair and in real life we have peoples like alrik that aren't punished you can't do anything with that you can only accept that sorry but thats life and no matter how utopian and prretty system you come with in your mind there will be peoples like arlik and system won't work as it worked in your head when everyone is happy.
That mages agreed doesn't equal that was for their good as i said mages will care about mages as their group and that in best scenario because as being human doesn't mean that you care about other human.
And how they will create society when they will be dead? Sure few will survive but good luck with mages trying create society especially with thousands of anti-mages behind their back.practically with new anti-mages order and new anti-mages policy those who survive will be forced live in wilderness and even there they won't be safe.
How were the children in dark town treated? As I recall the templars didn't mind cutting a few of them off from their primary support and despite, I believe her name was Avalena, the request of their former care giver they didn't do anything to help them. If you have Hawke work as a smuggler you also encounter a young lad working for the smugglers to feed his sisters.
Thanks. You've a nice keyboard cat.
I want to thank you again. I found some more lore. Orphans maybe at the highest risk. It seems that an elven child with parents can cause a riot. King Meghren attacked an elven servent boy and beat him severely. The elves in the Alienage started a riot and the city garrison had to leave forcing them to setup a lock down in the area.
I imagine a mage genocide would have negative societal implications on it's own.
Not rly genocide isn't something absent in theads even with trivial reasons because they are different like for examples elves. Well i can say already that mages are most hated by population group well perhaps if we exclude qunari in thedas. And they are extremely damaging for thedas as they constantly cause disasters on large scale.
Pretty much not only solution slows weakening of veil , but also prevents disasters such as connor , zathrian , something like blights.And no more abomnations.Not to mention that peoples start lean toward technological progress which is superior to magic in every field well perhaps not counting short-term medicine but in long-term technology crushes magic even there.
Well not rly sure it reduced damage that mages could done but just a little connor , zathrian , baroness ,anders and many mages more. Escaping from are common i mean wth? Anders escaped 8 possible 9 times , malcolm escaped , jowan escaped despite being well an idiot and much more mages.Many mages aren't even caputred by circles. Simple it doesn't work if main missions are about fixing damage that mage caused.
Life isn't fair and in real life we have peoples like alrik that aren't punished you can't do anything with that you can only accept that sorry but thats life and no matter how utopian and prretty system you come with in your mind there will be peoples like arlik and system won't work as it worked in your head when everyone is happy.
That mages agreed doesn't equal that was for their good as i said mages will care about mages as their group and that in best scenario because as being human doesn't mean that you care about other human.
And how they will create society when they will be dead? Sure few will survive but good luck with mages trying create society especially with thousands of anti-mages behind their back.practically with new anti-mages order and new anti-mages policy those who survive will be forced live in wilderness and even there they won't be safe.
Well not rly sure it reduced damage that mages could done but just a little connor , zathrian , baroness ,anders and many mages more. Escaping from are common i mean wth? Anders escaped 8 possible 9 times , malcolm escaped , jowan escaped despite being well an idiot and much more mages.Many mages aren't even caputred by circles. Simple it doesn't work if main missions are about fixing damage that mage caused.
Life isn't fair and in real life we have peoples like alrik that aren't punished you can't do anything with that you can only accept that sorry but thats life and no matter how utopian and prretty system you come with in your mind there will be peoples like arlik and system won't work as it worked in your head when everyone is happy.
That mages agreed doesn't equal that was for their good as i said mages will care about mages as their group and that in best scenario because as being human doesn't mean that you care about other human.
And how they will create society when they will be dead? Sure few will survive but good luck with mages trying create society especially with thousands of anti-mages behind their back.practically with new anti-mages order and new anti-mages policy those who survive will be forced live in wilderness and even there they won't be safe.
The majority have already been proven to be assets per dragon age lore. Trying to kill them all weakens the kingdom. There is a cost of war against the mages vs. finding a peaceful solution that both parties agree is a better goal.
Mages are already a stark minority. As per you own admission, the circle reduced damage. Therefore it worked in protecting mundanes from magical danger. There are your exceptions, as you mentioned. Though every last one of them save for Anders is entirely circumstantial, that is, their particular situations came about due to many many variables. Not as a fault of the circle to protect mundanes. In and of itself.
That's utter rubbish. Following this line of thought, why fix any system? There are always going to be abuses. But curtailing the availability and the means to inflict this abuse might just serve as a vast improvement. For starters.
The loyalists and Aequitarians disagree with this notion.
Alright, say that this new 'mage free Andrastian society' comes to fruition. What do you do about the Qunari who's technology is vastly superior and were only brought to a standstill by the addition of mage support? What do you think will happen if Tevinter looks your way? What will happen if by some miracle they work together(lets say unknowingly) to bring down Andrastian society? What happens when a loved one becomes deathly ill and hensbane and leeches no longer does the trick? What happens when the veil is sundered to the point where any and all creatures can swoop in and you have little to no mages to help? Mages that likely hate you for killing their friends and family, mages that might see death as preferable alternative to their current state?
Yeah...I'm going to have to say that 'killing them all' is probably the most idiotic thing that one can do, if the aggressors were even successful, which they probably wouldn't be.
1.Yes they are but if walking unstable nukes are minority doesn't mean they aren't dangerous in fact they are fu*** dangerous that every goverment would just eliminate for safety so there we go with humans rights... So what? in mages case we can't let on mistakes as those can be extremely destructive and even last mistakes that humans commit.So they escaped? answer is yes excuses hardly matters when world burns.
2.Hah There are things that you can do and there are things you can't do creating utopia is something you can't.Problem isn't with that mages are abused because they rarely well at least not more than it happens in real life.Problems lies with safety of the world and mages are constant danger for it even 1 mistake 1 mage fugitive are danger for it.Circle proved that they can't handle mages many are missed and live free , other without problems run away from circles , mages in circles are corrupted like uldred and 1 mage is sufficient to turn every other mage into abomnation.
3.loyalists are chantry puppets like tevinter slaves to their masters so vegetables which makes them still dangerous as any other mage same for aequitarians and to be honest im curious how many peoples joined them only for own peace not because they think that way...
4.What i will do to handle qunari well i will try to destroy them preparing thedas in best way i can removing mages from thedas as i said is very good move why? Becuase mages are very destructive and they give a little many damge most destructive damage that thedas had to handle was thanks to mages like blights , abomnations , torn veils and every disaster sponsored by mages and we have a lot of that is causing damge to societies that have to constantly lick the wounds caused by mages instead move forward examples redcliffe or blackmarshes even ferleden is weakened by blight that mages caused not mention other countries with previous blights.
As i also said humans to satisfy own needs will need to stop use magic that is destructive and unstable and will move on technology which is as i said superior in almost every matter it will take some time sure but it is better that let mages constantly spread damage.
So ultimately thedas will handle qunari better without mages spreading destruction and damage to thedas communities and if thedas will lost well it means that thedas never had chance which i doubt because it would mean end of dragon age if qunari were invincible.
What happens with veil scenario well we won't have abomnations (possesed mage which is much stronger) that first so no stronger demons second mages can't fix the veil seems only inq can and without mages torning veil will be slower.
About tevinter they don't give a crap about mages outside it and hell even inside tevinter more about themselves.And what could do few mages please that would be probably enslaved by tevinter.Not mention that tevinter don't have power to take entire thedas and they know it.
As i said with technological progress medicine will move forward as well and it is much better on long term than mages healing not mention that medicine won't burn your city... to that point too bad life is brutal even now we have things we can't heal.
And how mages will hate me when they are dead and what they will do then when they are dead?
1.Yes they are but if walking unstable nukes are minority doesn't mean they aren't dangerous in fact they are fu*** dangerous that every goverment would just eliminate for safety so there we go with humans rights... So what? in mages case we can't let on mistakes as those can be extremely destructive and even last mistakes that humans commit.So they escaped? answer is yes excuses hardly matters when world burns.
I never stated, implied or insinuated that mages are not dangerous. Not sure about your government, but I daresay that mine might take full advantage of mage capabilities and use them as weapons. The world has 'burned' once with the darkspawn, a wrong that many mages have died righting. The crux of your argument rests on the premise that mages are 'extremely destructive' when this is not universally true and only rarely true. If every mage was a Somniari, your claims would at least have a basis in actual fact.
2.Hah There are things that you can do and there are things you can't do creating utopia is something you can't.Problem isn't with that mages are abused because they rarely well at least not more than it happens in real life.Problems lies with safety of the world and mages are constant danger for it even 1 mistake 1 mage fugitive are danger for it.Circle proved that they can't handle mages many are missed and live free , other without problems run away from circles , mages in circles are corrupted like uldred and 1 mage is sufficient to turn every other mage into abomnation.
The circle stood and regulated mages for a thousand years, it can handle mages quite well. Never made a claim nor allusion to a 'utopia'. Betterment of the system does not mean 'utopia'.
3.loyalists are chantry puppets like tevinter slaves to their masters so vegetables which makes them still dangerous as any other mage same for aequitarians and to be honest im curious how many peoples joined them only for own peace not because they think that way...
So again...I show you mages who wish to serve the common man and you throw in 'ulterior motives' with absolutely no basis in evidence whatsoever, never change TKS. Maybe with a semblance of credibility you could argue Wynne, though you'd still be incorrect as she still supported the Chantry and fought for the betterment of mage/common man relation by the book and only turned when her son was threatened by a bigoted maniac Templar.
4.What i will do to handle qunari well i will try to destroy them preparing thedas in best way i can removing mages from thedas as i said is very good move why? Becuase mages are very destructive and they give a little many damge most destructive damage that thedas had to handle was thanks to mages like blights , abomnations , torn veils and every disaster sponsored by mages and we have a lot of that is causing damge to societies that have to constantly lick the wounds caused by mages instead move forward examples redcliffe or blackmarshes even ferleden is weakened by blight that mages caused not mention other countries with previous blights.
You're going to destroy the only thing that kept the Qun in check and then you expect to defeat an ever evolving, ever intelligent enemy? What? Mages are not the only ones who can tear the veil. Mages still pay with their lives for the mistakes of their extremely distant ancestors, as grey wardens and simply being mages.
As i also said humans to satisfy own needs will need to stop use magic that is destructive and unstable and will move on technology which is as i said superior in almost every matter it will take some time sure but it is better that let mages constantly spread damage.
So ultimately thedas will handle qunari better without mages spreading destruction and damage to thedas communities and if thedas will lost well it means that thedas never had chance which i doubt because it would mean end of dragon age if qunari were invincible.
What happens with veil scenario well we won't have abomnations (possesed mage which is much stronger) that first so no stronger demons second mages can't fix the veil seems only inq can and without mages torning veil will be slower.
About tevinter they don't give a crap about mages outside it and hell even inside tevinter more about themselves.And what could do few mages please that would be probably enslaved by tevinter.Not mention that tevinter don't have power to take entire thedas and they know it.
As i said with technological progress medicine will move forward as well and it is much better on long term than mages healing not mention that medicine won't burn your city... to that point too bad life is brutal even now we have things we can't heal.
And how mages will hate me when they are dead and what they will do then when they are dead?
Technological advancement will take quite a bit of time. Time you probably don't have and time that doesn't matter as the Qunari emphatically hold that edge and I suspect the Tevinters do too.
It will not handle Qunari better without mages. It will fall just as painfully if the Templar/Seeker orders were to be destroyed.
You will most definitely have possessed mundanes, as you've torn the veil and the demons don't have many if any mages to target. And the best part about this is that there will be nothing you can do about it because you killed the only people who can fix the problem. The veil can be strengthened by mages. The veil can and has torn without mages. The Brecilian forest is but a piece of evidence of that. Tevinter can't take the rest of Thedas while they're fighting the Qun. But with no way to counter them as you have no mages...I daresay that either of the two would split Andraste wide open.
As you said, it will take time for technology and medicine to catch up. Time you may or may not have. But's a lose lose situation either way you look at it.
If they are more likely to be unstable than mundanes then it would probably be due to the environment they were raised in like dragon suggested....being ostracized and locked up for being born is a form of abuse against mages if you ask me.
And like ghost mentioned mages are considered more of an asset to Thedas than a threat. They were given this gift by the maker for crying out loud lol
Mundanes can't turn into destructive monster at any moment of their life so well yes mundanes are more stable than mages and that have little with environment which in mages case means luxurious and stress free life.
Being forced to pay taxes is abuse because im human or just born in that country?
HahahahHAHAAHA!!! that good one try pall tell me good and positive things that mages did to that point and i will point negative things you will lose.
I never stated, implied or insinuated that mages are not dangerous. Not sure about your government, but I daresay that mine might take full advantage of mage capabilities and use them as weapons. The world has 'burned' once with the darkspawn, a wrong that many mages have died righting. The crux of your argument rests on the premise that mages are 'extremely destructive' when this is not universally true and only rarely true. If every mage was a Somniari, your claims would at least have a basis in actual fact.
The circle stood and regulated mages for a thousand years, it can handle mages quite well. Never made a claim nor allusion to a 'utopia'. Betterment of the system does not mean 'utopia'.
So again...I show you mages who wish to serve the common man and you throw in 'ulterior motives' with absolutely no basis in evidence whatsoever, never change TKS. Maybe with a semblance of credibility you could argue Wynne, though you'd still be incorrect as she still supported the Chantry and fought for the betterment of mage/common man relation by the book and only turned when her son was threatened by a bigoted maniac Templar.
You're going to destroy the only thing that kept the Qun in check and then you expect to defeat an ever evolving, ever intelligent enemy? What? Mages are not the only ones who can tear the veil. Mages still pay with their lives for the mistakes of their extremely distant ancestors, as grey wardens and simply being mages.
Technological advancement will take quite a bit of time. Time you probably don't have and time that doesn't matter as the Qunari emphatically hold that edge and I suspect the Tevinters do too.
It will not handle Qunari better without mages. It will fall just as painfully if the Templar/Seeker orders were to be destroyed.
You will most definitely have possessed mundanes, as you've torn the veil and the demons don't have many if any mages to target. And the best part about this is that there will be nothing you can do about it because you killed the only people who can fix the problem. The veil can be strengthened by mages. The veil can and has torn without mages. The Brecilian forest is but a piece of evidence of that. Tevinter can't take the rest of Thedas while they're fighting the Qun. But with no way to counter them as you have no mages...I daresay that either of the two would split Andraste wide open.
As you said, it will take time for technology and medicine to catch up. Time you may or may not have. But's a lose lose situation either way you look at it.
1.Not rly not mention that we have 7 blights , we have plenty incidents when mages in insanity started spam with army of undead or summon army of demons just to destroy world for the hell of it but in last moment chuck norr... i mean protagonist shows up and save the day.
2.No you want utopia it is easily or for deducing circle have as little abuses as human nature allow it you can't lower that simple same is in our world in modern times...
3.Hah i saw that good mages well i didin't well wait we have wynne an abomnation with that attitude to be honest only good thing that mages did was anders clinic and even he went nuts and start blow up everything. As far i saw little "good" and positive mages (which pretty much doesn't exclude becoming abomnation and humans flaws) and many insane and dangerous psycho-mages...
4.Yes they keep mages on leash for good reason not to mention that one of their mages almost summoned army of demons to destroy the world for the hell of it after he escaped them.And no mages can't do that it is said that only inq can do that so well no... and please spare me how mages are paying for blights because mostly paying part goes for non-mages when mages brought new disasters...
5.Thats what i said it will took time but results will be much greater and less destructive for users than mages...
6.Not rly rather desperate thinking for pro-mage considering that mages lost every their battle no i don't think they are as far useful as some individuals claim them to be and thats if we don't take disaster magnets that mages are...
7.Possessed non-mage isn't abomnation who is mage and much more dangerous and powerful than possessed non-mage so we won't have demons at full power... As i said no inq is only one who can fix veil it is stated deal with that sure it is retcon but well as many things in da...
8.1 word about tevinter anti-mages done...
9.as i said , i will prefer without guys who will heal few and destroy thousands.
TKS so inconsistent. Thinks that mages are extremely dangerous, yet also thinks that mages are weak and easily killed by mundanes.
Not rly i will explain on stupid but simple examples as such examples are only that work here...
we have bob he is weak and everyone can kick his a** in fight however bob is unstable nuke that can blow up at any moment he is dangerous and weak see?
TKS so inconsistent. Thinks that mages are extremely dangerous, yet also thinks that mages are weak and easily killed by mundanes.
And yet insults anyone who 'doesn't get his logic'.
It's a fantasy setting, it doesn't always make sense.
I agree. That is why I try to remember or dig for the information in their lore. Thanks for the help. Sometimes I just need a little game or book data.
There is no comparison between unjustly locking someone away for life and the idea of tax collection. Come on now.
1.Not rly not mention that we have 7 blights , we have plenty incidents when mages in insanity started spam with army of undead or summon army of demons just to destroy world for the hell of it but in last moment chuck norr... i mean protagonist shows up and save the day.
2.No you want utopia it is easily or for deducing circle have as little abuses as human nature allow it you can't lower that simple same is in our world in modern times...
3.Hah i saw that good mages well i didin't well wait we have wynne an abomnation with that attitude to be honest only good thing that mages did was anders clinic and even he went nuts and start blow up everything. As far i saw little "good" and positive mages (which pretty much doesn't exclude becoming abomnation and humans flaws) and many insane and dangerous psycho-mages...
4.Yes they keep mages on leash for good reason not to mention that one of their mages almost summoned army of demons to destroy the world for the hell of it after he escaped them.And no mages can't do that it is said that only inq can do that so well no... and please spare me how mages are paying for blights because mostly paying part goes for non-mages when mages brought new disasters...
5.Thats what i said it will took time but results will be much greater and less destructive for users than mages...
6.Not rly rather desperate thinking for pro-mage considering that mages lost every their battle no i don't think they are as far useful as some individuals claim them to be and thats if we don't take disaster magnets that mages are...
7.Possessed non-mage isn't abomnation who is mage and much more dangerous and powerful than possessed non-mage so we won't have demons at full power... As i said no inq is only one who can fix veil it is stated deal with that sure it is retcon but well as many things in da...
8.1 word about tevinter anti-mages done...
9.as i said , i will prefer without guys who will heal few and destroy thousands.
You see only the absolute worst and you completely ignore the myriad of mages that despite their hostile environments actually provide for society and wish to make things better for everyone.
You wish to wipe out mages, making room for two powerful enemies to come on in and finish the job of defiling and dismembering Andraste.
I show you plenty of examples of mages doing good or wishing to do good and not being trusted to and you ignore it and point right to an Uldred or a Baronness.
Wiping out the mages isn't any more possible than destroying the templar/seeker order i.e. people who would stand against mages.
You perpetuate a cycle that will only take more lives and burn the world a million times over because you refuse to see an intelligent alternative....
How is it that you cannot see that 'killing them all' will ensure that Thedas suffers a fate worse than any blight?
I don't understand; it's completely irrational.
And yet insults anyone who 'doesn't get his logic'.
above it was stupid accusation as what he said isn't irrational someone can be weak and yet still dangerous...
There is no comparison between unjustly locking someone away for life and the idea of tax collection. Come on now.
There is you know because society imposes restriction on us more or less mages are different so restrictions are different as well in attempt to system work... Simple you treat different bear and cat...
and well justice is only in your head most peoples have own idea how justice looks...
You see only the absolute worst and you completely ignore the myriad of mages that despite their hostile environments actually provide for society and wish to make things better for everyone.
You wish to wipe out mages, making room for two powerful enemies to come on in and finish the job of defiling and dismembering Andraste.
I show you plenty of examples of mages doing good or wishing to do good and not being trusted to and you ignore it and point right to an Uldred or a Baronness.
Wiping out the mages isn't any more possible than destroying the templar/seeker order i.e. people who would stand against mages.
You perpetuate a cycle that will only take more lives and burn the world a million times over because you refuse to see an intelligent alternative....
How is it that you cannot see that 'killing them all' will ensure that Thedas suffers a fate worse than any blight?
I don't understand; it's completely irrational.
And what is it only thing as far is healing (i saw that perhaps 2 times in series not mention that creation magic is rather rare) and well occasional assistance in battle that still are lost... and now lests talk about disasters they casused oh hell here we can talk a long time. Blights , destruction done by abomnations , zathrian curse , army of harvesters , torn veil in many places and much more...
And who do you mean qunari as i said best chance is technology and tevinter can't rival with entire thedas especially qunari and tev have war with each other so well...
No you didn't show me any example of them haha well only example you pointed wynne so you are making things up so we have 1.
Of course it is mages are hated minority that can't even won 1 battle with templars who are crushing mages effortlessly it would be very easy to pull...
There is no intelligent alternative because simple mages always will be walking bombs no matter their morality when throwing bomb "evil" mage is also destructive prefectly nice and altrustic bob can turn into abomnation at any moment so sorry pal but mages proved they don't have control over themselves more than enough times with exception of few individuals that aren't worth nearly such destruction and death counts...
And no it won't bring world destruction you are making things up guy desperate move even if qunari will win it won't destroy world...
Because it won't pal i don't know what you somke but you see mages and messiahs that are only hope for the world but they aren't they are demons (hah it fits as they are hosts and portal for them) as i said you can try pull examples positive things that mage done in series as far you didn't gave any only pointed at aequitarians and loyalists which pretty much meant nothing...
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