above it was stupid accusation as what he said isn't irrational someone can be weak and yet still dangerous...
Weak: liable to break or give way under pressure; easily damaged.
Dangerous: able or likely to cause harm or injury.
These words are antonyms in this context so no one cannot be both.
Weak: liable to break or give way under pressure; easily damaged.
Dangerous: able or likely to cause harm or injury.
These words are antonyms in this context so no one cannot be both.
That isn't true.
Captain Inconsistent decrees otherwise. On second thought, perhaps you are correct.
Well imo these particular restrictions cause more problems than they solve so the entire concept of circle/Templar/Chantry relations needs to be revisted and rehauled. Mass genocide of all mages would only result in an even more fearful and dangerous society. One which I'd be afraid to look upon myself.
There is you know because society imposes restriction on us more or less mages are different so restrictions are different as well in attempt to system work... Simple you treat different bear and cat...
and well justice is only in your head most peoples have own idea how justice looks...
Weak: liable to break or give way under pressure; easily damaged.
Dangerous: able or likely to cause harm or injury.
These words are antonyms in this context so no one cannot be both.
As i said on bob example
ok lets sttle it that way
We have bruce banner weak but dangerous as he can turn into hulk
but as i said simple example we have bob he is weak and he can't beat blind but he is unstable nuke that can explode at any time so he can't beat anyone but he can explode he is weak because he can't beat anyone but if he blow up he will cause huge destruction so he is dangerous same with mages...
To be honest problem are mages and solution don't solve or prevent problems that mages are causing you would need to add more restictions to keep that working but as i said i don't belive any restrictions will prevent damage mages are causing at best it will little reduce it... so why i go for "kill them all"
@Komandor
You have Grey Warden Mages, Tranquil Mages, Mage Fraternities, Malcolm, Bethany, Wynne, Rhys, apostate mages who simply mind their own business and the Mages Collective. Four of these categories number in the thousands while you can count on both hands the number of your 'disasters'. I also did not include Anders healing mundanes for free. I also didn't include assistance in the formation of the Grey Wardens, strengthening of the veil. I didn't include Irving helping to save Connor. I didn't include phylacteries and the rite of tranquility that mages created and carry out against their own kind, sometimes for the betterment of society.
But as usual you will ignore this, stick your fingers in your ear and rant about nonsensical, illogical, irrational and idiotic solutions to the 'mage problem'.
The entirety of our discourse is pointless and has gotten us nowhere.
As i said on bob example
ok lets sttle it that way
We have bruce banner weak but dangerous as he can turn into hulk
but as i said simple example we have bob he is weak and he can't beat blind but he is unstable nuke that can explode at any time so he can't beat anyone but he can explode he is weak because he can't beat anyone but if he blow up he will cause huge destruction so he is dangerous same with mages...
To be honest problem are mages and solution don't solve or prevent problems that mages are causing you would need to add more restictions to keep that working but as i said i don't belive any restrictions will prevent damage mages are causing at best it will little reduce it... so why i go for "kill them all"
Bruce Banner by himself isn't weak. He's able to do things most people can't even when not in Hulk mode.
Bruce Banner by himself isn't weak. He's able to do things most people can't even when not in Hulk mode.
Exactly.
@Komandor
You have Grey Warden Mages, Tranquil Mages, Mage Fraternities, Malcolm, Bethany, Wynne, Rhys, apostate mages who simply mind their own business and the Mages Collective. Four of these categories number in the thousands while you can count on both hands the number of your 'disasters'. I also did not include Anders healing mundanes for free. I also didn't include assistance in the formation of the Grey Wardens, strengthening of the veil. I didn't include Irving helping to save Connor. I didn't include phylacteries and the rite of tranquility that mages created and carry out against their own kind, sometimes for the betterment of society.
But as usual you will ignore this, stick your fingers in your ear and rant about nonsensical, illogical, irrational and idiotic solutions to the 'mage problem'.
The entirety of our discourse is pointless and has gotten us nowhere.
Yes and why we have grey warden and blights yep... their own mess and only few mages tries to clean it and yeah grey warden mages such as janeka who wanted free corry another briliant mage strike that leads to tragedy... oh and avernus another tragedy... , tranquil aren't mages anymore more like zombie pretty much same like kill them all but more expensive. And what good malcolm did perhaps outside corrypheus?as far i renmber he was self-intrested in his family nothing more to point when he was ready reach for blood magic for them. Wynne abomnation , Rhys controled by abomnation. And yes collective with blood magic and other shady businesses. Pretty much only bethany is good example others are just not true or willd guessing who is good in rather shady organisations...
Bruce Banner by himself isn't weak. He's able to do things most people can't even when not in Hulk mode.
Perhaps i don't know much about him but points stands still i will use connor as example he was weak as normal until he exploded (abomnation) and took entire castle and village...
to enforce something i could put irving here but rly what he done anders did something and as far he is only mage who did something positive and even then he screwd that...
Sadly not my fault that most post here naive solutions that base on humans (mages) good heart and we are in cynical dark fantasy not idealistic mass effect...
@Komandor
You have Grey Warden Mages, Tranquil Mages, Mage Fraternities, Malcolm, Bethany, Wynne, Rhys, apostate mages who simply mind their own business and the Mages Collective. Four of these categories number in the thousands while you can count on both hands the number of your 'disasters'. I also did not include Anders healing mundanes for free. I also didn't include assistance in the formation of the Grey Wardens, strengthening of the veil. I didn't include Irving helping to save Connor. I didn't include phylacteries and the rite of tranquility that mages created and carry out against their own kind, sometimes for the betterment of society.
But as usual you will ignore this, stick your fingers in your ear and rant about nonsensical, illogical, irrational and idiotic solutions to the 'mage problem'.
The entirety of our discourse is pointless and has gotten us nowhere.
Yes and why we have grey warden and blights yep... their own mess and only few mages tries to clean it and yeah grey warden mages such as janeka who wanted free corry another briliant mage strike that leads to tragedy and now good grey warden mage ehh good luck... oh and avernus another tragedy... , tranquil aren't mages anymore more like zombie pretty much same like kill them all but more expensive. And what good malcolm did perhaps outside corrypheus?as far i renmber he was self-intrested in his family nothing more to point when he was ready reach for blood magic for them. Wynne abomnation , Rhys controled by abomnation. And yes collective with blood magic and other shady businesses. Pretty much only bethany is good example others are just not true or willd guessing who is good in rather shady organisations...
Bruce Banner by himself isn't weak. He's able to do things most people can't even when not in Hulk mode.
Perhaps i don't know much about him but points stands still i will use connor as example he was weak as normal until he exploded (abomnation) and took entire castle and village...
to enforce something i could put irving here but rly what he done anders did something and as far he is only mage who did something positive and even then he screwd that...
Sadly not my fault that most post here naive solutions that base on humans (mages) good heart and we are in cynical dark fantasy not idealistic mass effect...
Yes and why we have grey warden and blights yep... their own mess and only few mages tries to clean it and yeah grey warden mages such as janeka who wanted free corry another briliant mage strike that leads to tragedy and now good grey warden mage ehh good luck... oh and avernus another tragedy... , tranquil aren't mages anymore more like zombie pretty much same like kill them all but more expensive. And what good malcolm did perhaps outside corrypheus?as far i renmber he was self-intrested in his family nothing more to point when he was ready reach for blood magic for them. Wynne abomnation , Rhys controled by abomnation. And yes collective with blood magic and other shady businesses. Pretty much only bethany is good example others are just not true or willd guessing who is good in rather shady organisations...
And again you point at one or two outliers and ignore the many grey warden mages who simply did their jobs. Duncan even references that some used blood magic to do so. Tranquil do not have magic, but they are mage born. They are mages, they count.
Malcolm was not self interested he sacrificed his life to help out the wardens and spent the rest of it sparing Bethany the psychological and probable physical anguish of life in the circle. He even blew his cover as a mercenary to save one of his comrades, he is the definition of selfless.
Wynne was technically an abomination. She herself was not an abomination in the way that you'd love to think of her as.
You have evidence that the Collective at least attempts to police their own and wants to be left alone. Any misgivings you might have are born out of prejudice, hate and cynicism.
Bethany is not the only good example.
In summary, I am almost certain that 100% of your post is misleading or entirely wrong.
And yet those mages are damagive bastards non damagive bastards grey warden mages thead lead to tragery 0 as i say i don't see that i won't belive of course there can be few individuals who aren't amagive bastards but as i said no worth it...
Yes doing shady buissnes that we can do for them mah but just my cynicism in cynical dark fantasy . besides i don't hate obstacles on my way i destroy them so no hate and it would be prejudice if that was lies based on hate and that aren't so well.
Yes she is that you have to put shady organisations here in general without example doing something positive when we have negative things says a lot...
Well same for naive peoples who think about people who know where they live.
You have zero evidence that only a few aren't 'bastards'. You have no reason besides your irrational beliefs to say such.
Mages are 'extremely dangerous' can be considered a blatant lie at worst and hyperbole at best. As can the rest of the rubbish in this post.
Also the smiley face suits your post perfectly; fingers in your ear whistling a tune when your assertions are proven to have a paper thin base.
You have zero evidence that only a few aren't 'bastards'. You have no reason besides your irrational beliefs to say such.
Mages are 'extremely dangerous' can be considered a blatant lie at worst and hyperbole at best. As can the rest of the rubbish in this post.
Also the smiley face suits your post perfectly; fingers in your ear whistling a tune when your assertions are proven to have a paper thin base.
and you have zero evidence they aren't bastards i can do that as far all grey warden mages were guys with utopia justifies means and that combined with their magic leads to tragedy prretty much entire grey warden organisation drives on utopia justifies means well sure we have exceptions but as i said organisation promotes such philosophies for non-mages wardens as well for mages warden but mix magic with that philosophy leads to tragedy not only for grey wardens...
Not rly just see blight pal and thats one of their disasters
By word of Duncan and the fact that they were an important part of the formation of Grey Wardens, Tevinters even! They are not bastards. As with any group, you'll have your outliers. But to paint them all with the same brush is akin to being Red Idol Crazed Meredith. Is that who you wish to be, Komandor?
Not sure what tragedies you're talking about. Btw, Sophia Dryden gave Avernus the ok to release the demons. His extracurricular activities were nefarious indeed. Luckily we have not a reason to believe that Grey Wardens like Avernus are the norm. Anders healed people for free for almost a decade while justice inhabited his being and he only snapped when he spent that time in the hellmouth known as Kirkwall.
Mages are not Tarohne. I would appreciate it if your every post would cease insinuating such.
and you have zero evidence they aren't bastards i can do that as far all grey warden mages were guys with utopia justifies means and that combined with their magic leads to tragedy prretty much entire grey warden organisation drives on utopia justifies means well sure we have exceptions but as i said organisation promotes such philosophies for non-mages wardens as well for mages warden but mix magic with that philosophy leads to tragedy not only for grey wardens...
Not rly just see blight pal and thats one of their disasters
Are you done being wrong and making claims where you have no evidence of?
By word of Duncan and the fact that they were an important part of the formation of Grey Wardens, Tevinters even! They are not bastards. As with any group, you'll have your outliers. But to paint them all with the same brush is akin to being Red Idol Crazed Meredith. Is that who you wish to be, Komandor?
Not sure what tragedies you're talking about. Btw, Sophia Dryden gave Avernus the ok to release the demons. His extracurricular activities were nefarious indeed. Luckily we have not a reason to believe that Grey Wardens like Avernus are the norm. Anders healed people for free for almost a decade while justice inhabited his being and he only snapped when he spent that time in the hellmouth known as Kirkwall.
Mages are not Tarohne. I would appreciate it if your every post would cease insinuating such.
Yes and what that means in shady organisaion as grey wardens as i said avernus and janeka were vauled by grey wardens as utopia justifies means and all they lead to tragedy...
So if warden commander give premmision to summon army of demons that will destroy world everyone is fine i mean thats not another disasters when warden agreed with that... Yes we have reasons because as we were many said times grey wardens do everying to stop blight and darkspawn everything alistair says that as well... if you don't belive watch warden's fall.
And yet that crazy KC was right in everything she was talking about mages so well...
Yes but he never was truly grey warden well only served to hero of ferelden who didn't had accept wardens philosophy and yet anders was dangerous abomnation as proved in the end...
Of course they aren't they are just smiliar not every but enough others are just flawed what with mage is as well dangerous so well...
Are you done being wrong and making claims where you have no evidence of?
Where because what i said about warden is pretty much fact as they follow philosophy end justify means at least most of them and organisation.
If you talk about mages and blight it is pretty much confirmed by witness wait no by perpetrator.
Kommander, if you're going to continue making assertions, use codex entries in their entirety, direct quotes from the game, in-game or in-novel events without taking out the context.
If you can't do any of these things, you are essentially spouting your opinion and only your opinion, and thereby has no real basis in fact.
Kommander, if you're going to continue making assertions, use codex entries in their entirety, direct quotes from the game, in-game or in-novel events without taking out the context.
If you can't do any of these things, you are essentially spouting your opinion and only your opinion, and thereby has no real basis in fact.
About what?
uuugh i didnt want to get involved in this topic, but seems i have to.
The Grey Wardens are Indeed a Shady organization, but they cannot act in any true shady way because of their Neutrality Clause, the Tevinter Imperium as a whole arent all Bastards, yes theres slavery, yes the mages rule, but not everyone from Tevinter are Bastards. Magic In its Essential, state is not evil. its people that make magic be seen in a pale light, Blood Magic being used to summon demons by sacrificing people: Bad. a Blood Mage using Blood Magic as a means to save others: Good. as Put by Wynne and the Warden. "your only an Abomination if you forget who you are".
Mages taking care of themselves, is not necessarily a Bad thing, but i would not suggest it as a good thing either. because of the nature of the fade and the demons waiting for mages to slip up so they can enter this world i would not give the mages themselves the benefit of the doubt. open the Doors to the circles, let them wander around, but keep an eye on them so they dont do terrible things, come up with some new rules.
I know that sounds very much like a guilded cage but with the fact that there Are Demons in the Fade, you cannot let mages themselves be free to do as they please, but you CAN treat them as people. the Tranquil are still mages, still people but theres a cure for tranquility i believe. but since the circle of magi have seperated from the chantry, and the templars and seekers did the same and Nevarran Accord was anulled, the Mages are Hooped unless they come back to the chantry, and someone sits down and writes up a new agreement with Justinia.
Justinia is gone as is most hope that this can be resolved peacefully.
uuugh i didnt want to get involved in this topic, but seems i have to.
The Grey Wardens are Indeed a Shady organization, but they cannot act in any true shady way because of their Neutrality Clause, the Tevinter Imperium as a whole arent all Bastards, yes theres slavery, yes the mages rule, but not everyone from Tevinter are Bastards. Magic In its Essential, state is not evil. its people that make magic be seen in a pale light, Blood Magic being used to summon demons by sacrificing people: Bad. a Blood Mage using Blood Magic as a means to save others: Good. as Put by Wynne and the Warden. "your only an Abomination if you forget who you are".
Mages taking care of themselves, is not necessarily a Bad thing, but i would not suggest it as a good thing either. because of the nature of the fade and the demons waiting for mages to slip up so they can enter this world i would not give the mages themselves the benefit of the doubt. open the Doors to the circles, let them wander around, but keep an eye on them so they dont do terrible things, come up with some new rules.
I know that sounds very much like a guilded cage but with the fact that there Are Demons in the Fade, you cannot let mages themselves be free to do as they please, but you CAN treat them as people. the Tranquil are still mages, still people but theres a cure for tranquility i believe. but since the circle of magi have seperated from the chantry, and the templars and seekers did the same and Nevarran Accord was anulled, the Mages are Hooped unless they come back to the chantry, and someone sits down and writes up a new agreement with Justinia.
And pretty much what i meant with grey wardens they are well grey but tevinter isn't it is typical villain hole with stupid evil characters or just that lies on black morality.Power corrupts and blood magic gives you a lot of that not mention good or not demon won't care abouit that they will possess mage regardless of mage morality so well.Anders remembered who he was and yet he was an abomnation.
And what you will do if 1 will snap out and turn into abomnation in middle of the city? or just in in the wilderness and will come up with plan and army to destroy? What you will do if one will go quentin road or just will want go with magisters that went to black city route for power there will be too late...
Tranquil aren't mages they can't use magic they were mages and now we can barely argue if they are person or just tool...
Justinia is gone as is most hope that this can be resolved peacefully.
Is that even confirmed that she is dead?
Is that even confirmed that she is dead?
Yes. It's confirmed, check out the 'tin-foil' hat thread, Hinata provided a source.
Yes. It's confirmed, check out the 'tin-foil' hat thread, Hinata provided a source.
heh great news less obstacles on my way to destroy and even mages leaders as well hoho i will thank person that did it before i will kill him/her/it.
Funny thing i always was compering divine to elthina and she ended that same because she did same thing that was even brought in book.
But it sill may be too beautiful to be true and may turn that it wasn't divine just substituted to play divine after all it is bioware...
I've been reading this thread for a while and just feel that i have to share my view of the situation. To keep it short, the fact that you segregate the mages will naturally lead to resentment and the only way to avoid eventual large scale retribution is to integrate the mages into society in such a way that there is no need for them to feel resentment. Personally, if I had lived my entire life in a circle after having been ripped away from or abandoned by my family i would hate everyone involved and anyone who would be prepared to continue the system, i can't blame the mages who use blood magic or turn into abominations to gain revenge since i would probably have done the same. so to recap, the only way to stop the hatred between mages and mundies is to integrate the mages into society.
Also no, free mages won't lead to another Tevinter and even if against all ods it did then i fail to see how that is worse than the existing countries.
heh great news less obstacles on my way to destroy and even mages leaders as well hoho i will thank person that did it before i will kill him/her/it.
But.. Mages are evil and maniacal?
But.. Mages are evil and maniacal?
Considering that woman who started world war died and many psycho-rebel mages im glad because as i said less obstacles on my way to victory.And still i can't destroy world 
or kill childrens for fun well srue i like moments like with cammen and gheyna and i did it just for fun but well at least i didn't killed them. 
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