heh great news less obstacles on my way to destroy and even mages leaders as well hoho i will thank person that did it before i will kill him/her/it.
Funny thing i always was compering divine to elthina and she ended that same because she did same thing that was even brought in book.
But it sill may be too beautiful to be true and may turn that it wasn't divine just substituted to play divine after all it is bioware...
That actually is pretty damned funny, ironic, but funny nonetheless.
Considering that woman who started world war died and many psycho-rebel mages im glad because as i said less obstacles on my way to victory.And still i can't destroy world
or kill childrens for fun well srue i like moments like with cammen and gheyna and i did it just for fun but well at least i didn't killed them.
This post is so full of ignorance.
I've been reading this thread for a while and just feel that i have to share my view of the situation. To keep it short, the fact that you segregate the mages will naturally lead to resentment and the only way to avoid eventual large scale retribution is to integrate the mages into society in such a way that there is no need for them to feel resentment. Personally, if I had lived my entire life in a circle after having been ripped away from or abandoned by my family i would hate everyone involved and anyone who would be prepared to continue the system, i can't blame the mages who use blood magic or turn into abominations to gain revenge since i would probably have done the same. so to recap, the only way to stop the hatred between mages and mundies is to integrate the mages into society.
Also no, free mages won't lead to another Tevinter and even if against all odds it did then i fail to see how that is worse than the existing countries.
This is pretty well exactly what I think. Imprisoning mages just because they have the potential to hurt people is unjust. There are mages who are evil and corrupt of course, but they're not evil because they're mages. The same kind of Tevinter "I'm better than x group" attitude is found also in most nobility (particularly Orlesian) towards the commoners and in a lot of regular humans towards elves, and some of them do horrible things those they believe beneath them.
Teaching the mages without trying to brainwash them into thinking they are evil would solve a lot of problems.
This post is so full of ignorance.
Oh not that is post full of truth
I am going to assign a contingent of Templars Just to this post, for you guys.
I just replayed DA2 now. I have never supported the templars, as I believe the way they treat mages are wrong. But Fenris keeps telling Hawke that if mages are free, they will take controll and slave the non-mages. So does free mages make them conquerors? If the mages "win the war" in DAI, will it lead to another Tevinter Imperium?
In my opinion the Tevinter Imperium seems even worse than the Circle. But it is in human nature to seek domination. And mages are stronger than regular folks. So is the cicle a necessity then?
What do you guys think?
No it is not (seeking domination - it's more like seeking not to be dominated IMO)!
As for the argument:
NO - Tevinter is what it is, because it started out that way (!) in the early days (when humans were very primitive, hell, we know that the elven people and the dwarfs helped them a lot after they arrived on the continent...the dwarfs however allied with them later and thus were spared when the magisters started conquering the elfs), when magic was probably a lot more of a deciding tool in fighting and ruling (no templars yet either!)
However:
Todays mages are a lot more educated and a large majority of them does not even want to control/dominate anybody (all those Aequitarians for example and neither do the other fraternities of the enchanters (not even the Libertarians - they just want to be left alone!)). That's individuals and groups forced into the underground by chantry and templar prosecution of mages (hell, as a free Apostate I would learn bloodmagic - not that I would use it often mind you - just in case some templars find me, not to use it on some king or queen, that's not to say, that I would not use it say on criminals etc.)
I would say free mages (with them making sure themselves that young mages learn control and resisting demons (or even: making "good" deals with them, like "you leave me in peace and give me what I want and I wont kill you")) would lead to a UTOPIA, because magic can do what normal people can't:
Healing the sick and injured (people who would normally die - and not just nobles either!), helping with crops (killing pests with magic, conjuring water when there's no rain etc.), defending villages from bandits and beasts etc.
greetings LAX
Usually around this time, TKS or Lotion pop in and make some large generalization about mages, call people naive or stupid (depending on whether they're frustrated or not) if anyone happens to disagree with them, then others like Eluvianix, Divine Justinia V, Emissary of Lies, Lobsel, or Xil will come in and provide codexes that prove their assertions wrong, which the former two tend to dismiss or say the one who introduced it is misinterpreting it. Then some strong-willed pro-mage is super frustrated and makes broad generalizations about templars.
If both groups get really frustrated at the same time, it turns into personal attacks or inappropriate real-life metaphors and allegories are brought in, the thread gets locked, and then we rinse and repeat in another thread.
You're missing a few of the usual suspects. 
You're missing a few of the usual suspects.
True.
Wait...Free mages = UTOPIA?
what?
You know how they say laughing is good for you and that people who laugh a lot live longer?
I have to thank you. I think you've extended my lifespan by a few years.
Wait...Free mages = UTOPIA?
what?
You know how they say laughing is good for you and that people who laugh a lot live longer?
I have to thank you. I think you've extended my lifespan by a few years.
.....no one said that.
.....no one said that.
I would say free mages (with them making sure themselves that young mages learn control and resisting demons (or even: making "good" deals with them, like "you leave me in peace and give me what I want and I wont kill you")) would lead to a UTOPIA, because magic can do what normal people can't:
Someone did. A little shortsighted view of utopia if you ask me. If mages are to be free, I'd much rather they not contact demons at all.
Someone did. A little shortsighted view of utopia if you ask me. If mages are to be free, I'd much rather they not contact demons at all.
Oh. I missed that post.
Ironic considering the real meaning of the word Utopia, or at least the original meaning, is "no place." The book Utopia was written to describe this wonderful land where all are equal, but the land is named for the word 'no place,' the narrator's name means something along the lines of 'merchant of deceit,' and so on. It was really clever describing all these wonders in the original book, when the names themselves suggested they do not, and can not exist.
And to a certain degree, that is true, both in real life and in Thedas.
Oh. I missed that post.
Ironic considering the real meaning of the word Utopia, or at least the original meaning, is "no place." The book Utopia was written to describe this wonderful land where all are equal, but the land is named for the word 'no place,' the narrator's name means something along the lines of 'merchant of deceit,' and so on. It was really clever describing all these wonders in the original book, when the names themselves suggested they do not, and can not exist.
And to a certain degree, that is true, both in real life and in Thedas.
Utopia is just as impossible as dystopia. But both serve as examples, to either strive for or against respectively.
I would also agree, that for a utopia to occur in Thedas, mages would have to be free. But as we just established utopia is an impossibility. Mage freedom does not have to be though.
TKS: all mages are dangerous nukes.
Bsn: not all mages are the same.
35 pages latter:
TKS: yeah, but all mages are dangerous nukes.
Bsn: yeah, but not all mages are the same.
First setence matters because they are nukes
second sentece with first sentence doesn't matter because their personality hardly matters as they are still dangerous nukes...
So pretty much don't have to tell me that every human have differences but still humans have similarities same for mages as they are humans so they share human traits and they are mages so they share mages traits.
So in practice whether mage is messiah or villain as both represent same danger with only diffrence that villain will do that on their own whem messiah will do that unintentionally with magic or possessed by demon so no matter whether it is "good" person or "bad" person both are still nukes...
First setence matters because they are nukes
second sentece with first sentence doesn't matter because their personality hardly matters as they are still dangerous nukes...
So pretty much don't have to tell me that every human have differences but still humans have similarities same for mages as they are humans so they share human traits and they are mages so they share mages traits.
So in practice whether mage is messiah or villain as both represent same danger with only diffrence that villain will do that on their own whem messiah will do that unintentionally with magic or possessed by demon so no matter whether it is "good" person or "bad" person both are still nukes...
Yeah, but not all mages are the same.
So they may be but still they are nukes so in that matter they are the same...
it is like same not every bear is the same but every of them is dangerous and humans take special measures to deal with them...
So they may be but still they are nukes so in that matter they are the same...
Yeah.. But, not all mages are the same.
And when i said they are?
And when i said they are?
I.. Lmao.
Heh lacks of arguments?
So they may be but still they are nukes so in that matter they are the same...
So they may be but still they are nukes so in that matter they are the same...
eee do you even know what i said?
Every mage is mage so every mage have mage traits such as the possibility of demonic possession , using magic etc so they are in certaing things the same but are they 100 % the same no so every mage have own personality but have mage and humans share in mage case one of that traits "you are walking nuke" . Like it or not this is who mages are in da universe...
eee do you even know what i said?
Every mage is mage so every mage have mage traits such as the possibility of demonic possession , using magic etc so they are in certaing things the same but are they 100 % the same no so every mage have own personality but have mage and humans share in mage case one of that traits "you are walking nuke" . Like it or not this is who mages are in da universe...
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