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[TheKomandorShepard]

Yeah, but.. You know.

A mage can have a personality that makes it 0% possibility that they will get possessed.

No it can't well unless you are marry sue or protagonist or just have plot armor...

 

There is no such thing as a man without flaws every have them and if you have 1 serious it is very good.Now we have how many knows types of demon that drive on one of them such as pride , lust , desires , rage etc take your pick. Another matter that magic is power and power corrupts most peoples wouldn't ressisst it some would but most would abuse it like it or not thats true about humans another matter we have such things as unforeseen things in your life like beeing attacked by enemies that you can't handle , your loved one dying and many others that will tempt you toward blood magic which even devs said they made to be evil.Add to that depression.So in practice human is big unknown same as life and you can't predict who will be possessed and who won't as well you can't predict who will be "good" and who will be "evil".

 

So no even most powerfull mages can be possessed sure there might be lesser probability but see uldred who was powerful mage but consumed by own flaws and consequence were many abomnations...  

 

Merril powerful (and stupid) mage but still if not hawke and her keeper she would paid hefty for her stupidity same for keeper that love pushed to become abomnation instead merril.

[EmissaryofLies]

 

So they may be but still they are nukes so in that matter they are the same...

 

 

That was beautiful, Kain.

 

You've blinded him with science.

[TheKomandorShepard]

That was beautiful, Kain.

 

You've blinded him with science.

Shame that you went so excited that did read conversation further as he didn't get what i meant...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Shame that you went so excited that did read conversation further as he didn't get what i meant...

Hard to get what you mean when you change 90% of your argument at the drop of a hat. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Hard to get what you mean when you change 90% of your argument at the drop of a hat. 

Well it is not my fault that you folks love just transform my argument into something else i didn't said like that everyone mage is the same in every matter (or at least in personality matter which wasn't that what i said...) and pretty much what i said what obvious as i said "in that matter" so well not my fault...

[EmissaryofLies]

So sorry. It can be so confusing sometimes, what with your inclinations towards murdering them all because they're 'nukes' and 'extremely dangerous'. 

[MisterJB]

I would say free mages (with them making sure themselves that young mages learn control and resisting demons (or even: making "good" deals with them, like "you leave me in peace and give me what I want and I wont kill you")) would lead to a UTOPIA, because magic can do what normal people can't:

 

Healing the sick and injured (people who would normally die - and not just nobles either!), helping with crops (killing pests with magic, conjuring water when there's no rain etc.), defending villages from bandits and beasts etc.

 

greetings LAX

 

That was...incredibly naive.

 

Tell me, has our ability to do things that animals can't lead to an utopia for them? Being able to do things other can't means that you will have power over them.

Yes, magic is useful but the ability to do good with something does not deny the bad that will come attached to it.

 

You speak of healing? Will mages travel to every Maker forsaken town in Thedas to look at every cough? Will they do it for free? What's stopping them from charing exorbitant prices that only the wealthy can afford?

And what if they conjur water when doesn't rain? What if one day, normal people come to protest something a mage did and the next day, suddenly, there is no water until the mages get their way? They would be able to effectively starve entire nations.

 

Magic grants people power and power is easily abused. The more people rely on magic, the more mages will feel they need only to obey their own senses of morality.

 

Saying that magic will lead to an utopia is like saying modern technology has lead Earth into an utopia. It is short-sigthed.

[Louisiv826]

So they may be but still they are nukes so in that matter they are the same...

 

it is like same not every bear is the same but every of them is dangerous and humans take special measures to deal with them...

Really? Bears? That's what you're going to compare mages to? 

First of all, mages aren't bears.  They are rational, thinking beings.  Comparing them to animals is just stupid.  

Second, even if they were bears, we don't lock up or kill bears just because they are bears.  We actually try to protect many of them from being destroyed.  We are logically cautious around them, but don't cage them just because of their power.  If one starts killing people then, yeah, we kill it, but we don't destroy all bears just because some of them have killed people and others have the potential to. 

[Nightdragon8]

Really? Bears? That's what you're going to compare mages to? 

First of all, mages aren't bears.  They are rational, thinking beings.  Comparing them to animals is just stupid.  

Second, even if they were bears, we don't lock up or kill bears just because they are bears.  We actually try to protect many of them from being destroyed.  We are logically cautious around them, but don't cage them just because of their power.  If one starts killing people then, yeah, we kill it, but we don't destroy all bears just because some of them have killed people and others have the potential to. 

sounds to me you got the point...

 

as for "free mages" = Tevinter, thats only if good people do nothing.

[KainD]

Shame that you went so excited that did read conversation further as he didn't get what i meant...

 

Nah, I get what you mean, I just don't agree. 

[EmissaryofLies]

sounds to me you got the point...

 

as for "free mages" = Tevinter, thats only if good people do nothing.

 

That's exactly why I do not understand this 'mages will inevitably take over the world' mentality that some champion. 

[metalfenix]

I will take any chance to screw the chantry and the templars on this game

[dragonflight288]

I will take any chance to screw the chantry and the templars on this game

 

I know my Qunari or my Dalish Inquisitor will. But it may be interesting to play a pure Andrastian, Chantry believer just to compare. 

[Medhia_Nox]

They won't have time to be another Tevinter - I'm hoping they become Abomination chow. 

 

I have no faith in uneducated cause head mages. 

[KainD]

as for "free mages" = Tevinter, thats only if good people do nothing.

 

Good people? lol

[Nightdragon8]

Good people? lol

?? what you seriously don't think there are "good people" in the world? there are

 

as for the whole mage thing, honestly a mage can be a good or bad person, the problem i can see is that they are always a wildcard because they can be possised by a demon pretty much at any time. Just because they go though the harrowing doesn't mean they are demon proof. So thats the only real issue i have.

[KainD]

?? what you seriously don't think there are "good people" in the world? there are

 

as for the whole mage thing, honestly a mage can be a good or bad person, the problem i can see is that they are always a wildcard because they can be possised by a demon pretty much at any time. Just because they go though the harrowing doesn't mean they are demon proof. So thats the only real issue i have.

 

I think that good is subjective. Every person is good to someone and bad to someone else. 

[metalfenix]

I know my Qunari or my Dalish Inquisitor will. But it may be interesting to play a pure Andrastian, Chantry believer just to compare. 

 

I have a warrior hawke who sided with the templars and fought every mage he knew, but I can't bring myself to play a character like that again. Maybe someday I will lol

[KaiserShep]

Hard to get what you mean when you change 90% of your argument at the drop of a hat. 

 

That's what happens when you unlock master shapeshifter.

[dragonflight288]

I have a warrior hawke who sided with the templars and fought every mage he knew, but I can't bring myself to play a character like that again. Maybe someday I will lol

 

I'm not saying we'll have to again. The templars and the seekers have abandoned the chantry, and the mages have declared Independence. At this point, believing in the Chantry and the Maker is not actually going to necessarily be the same thing as supporting the templars or the mages. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I'm reading Asunder, finally, and I noticed when Evangeline used Rhys' phylactery she specifically said that it couldn't tell her what direction to go, just light brighter as she gets closer. Someone said here that, in a web series or something, it actually does work as a compass. Do these things conflict, or is the one in the web series just special? Confused. 

 

It's on page 79 of Asunder, if anyone with a copy wants to take a look. 

[dragonflight288]

I'm reading Asunder, finally, and I noticed when Evangeline used Rhys' phylactery she specifically said that it couldn't tell her what direction to go, just light brighter as she gets closer. Someone said here that, in a web series or something, it actually does work as a compass. Do these things conflict, or is the one in the web series just special? Confused. 

 

It's on page 79 of Asunder, if anyone with a copy wants to take a look. 

 

Right, well it Dragon Age Redemption, the templar was able to use it to track Serabaas near perfectly, following in his footsteps before it was destroyed in episode 3. 

 

Suffice it to say, phylacteries can be used to track mages, but how effectively seems to be up for debate between two different sources. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Right, well it Dragon Age Redemption, the templar was able to use it to track Serabaas near perfectly, following in his footsteps before it was destroyed in episode 3. 

 

Suffice it to say, phylacteries can be used to track mages, but how effectively seems to be up for debate between two different sources. 

I see, it's probably just an issue of two writers getting wires crossed, then?

[dragonflight288]

I see, it's probably just an issue of two writers getting wires crossed, then?

 

Possibly. 

[Ieldra]

WoT says that a phylactery can be used to cast spells at a distance on the person whose blood is in it. Definitely a tool of oppression, not just policing.