Truly? That seems like a personal position to me, The position exists and it is espoused. The Numeric averages of it are debatable, but it is conclusive it does exist.
Well, yes. American neo-Nazis also exist, with technically debatable numeric averages, but one can still reasonably say that they don't make up much of a demographic. Even the Resolutionists were never stated to be mage supremacists.
Gaider's word is ultimately the word of God, if he says it's Blood Magic, it's Blood Magic.
Agreed, but to what is extent is what i am arguing.
I am claiming it to be a gray area "blood magic" aka its merely using blood as a component.
Not "Blood Magic" Demons, Sundering and Blood boiling in the veins.
Forgive me, but I don't recall what Scrying is.
I honestly woudn't know, but considering the phylactery glows brighter the closer it is to its 'donor' magic is definitely involved.
No trouble friend.
Its mentioned what? All of three times in the lore total at present? And twice in novels and only one confirmed usage in a game, and then only in a DLC?
I am not surprised folk have forgotten or even never heard of it.
And i agree, but i am of the mind that the blood is merely a component of a greater magical construct, Namely the blood makes locating the target easier, but i have a mind that near anything (Hair, Flesh, etc) could be used from the Donor and it would function in a similar regard. Given Scrying works better with Blood but can still be used with out it, and It is a gray blood magic as well.
I just figure its done for expediency's sake, not outright need of it.
Forgive me, but I don't recall what Scrying is.
I honestly woudn't know, but considering the phylactery glows brighter the closer it is to its 'donor' magic is definitely involved.
Scrying was the use of magic (with Ariane's elven blood as a medium) to search for information (i.e. the location of the eluvian in the Dragonbone Wastes that Morrigan was using).
And i agree, but i am of the mind that the blood is merely a component of a greater magical construct, Namely the blood makes locating the target easier, but i have a mind that near anything (Hair, Flesh, etc) could be used from the Donor and it would function in a similar regard. Given Scrying works better with Blood but can still be used with out it, and It is a gray blood magic as well.
I just figure its done for expediency's sake, not outright need of it.
Agreed. They were scrying for the location of Morrigan's eluvian using Ariane's blood, right?
Is Scrying what Finn did in WH? I haven't played the dlc, so I don't recall the name.
No trouble friend.
Its mentioned what? All of three times in the lore total at present? And twice in novels and only one confirmed usage in a game, and then only in a DLC?
I am not surprised folk have forgotten or even never heard of it.
And i agree, but i am of the mind that the blood is merely a component of a greater magical construct, Namely the blood makes locating the target easier, but i have a mind that near anything (Hair, Flesh, etc) could be used from the Donor and it would function in a similar regard. Given Scrying works better with Blood but can still be used with out it, and It is a gray blood magic as well.
I just figure its done for expediency's sake, not outright need of it.
Scrying was the use of magic (with Ariane's elven blood as a medium) to search for information (i.e. the location of the eluvian in the Dragonbone Wastes that Morrigan was using).
I would never trust mages to govern themselves or worse, live normally with other humans. Freedom leads to sloppiness and sloppiness leads to catastrophe. We saw what can happen with an untrained mage child in Redcliffe. It's not worth endangering the lives of everyone to ensure a nicer life for a small, unfortunate minority.
Not to mention how easily mages can abuse their powers and seek to dominate or enslave others.
To be fair, many humans (and elves, etc) have misused their position, authority, or talents to oppress others. Or to similarly bring about disaster.
It's just that when such an individual has the ability to tell the laws of physics to sit down and shut up that this becomes a much more serious problem
Agreed. They were scrying for the location of Morrigan's eluvian using Ariane's blood, right?
Yeah.
But Loghain in "Stolen Throne" Implied the Usurper may even use mages to track them down (when they didn't possess the blood)
Is Scrying what Finn did in WH? I haven't played the dlc, so I don't recall the name.
In which novels it was mentioned?
We know that blood, in general, is powerful. It gives power, as it's shown even in the GW and Reaver rituals.
I recall that Finn feared that the Chantry might be against what he did, which is the logic behind people saying there is a bi of hypocricy in the Chantry using Phylacteries. They're not blood magic in the sense that are spells empowered by blood, bt the blood is. Still used with magical purposes.
Which might be what Gaider mean with 'blood magic'. The same goes for the Joining, which can be considered a form of BM.
Granted, if you believe that BM is just the empowerment of spells through blood, those above aren't BM, but there are people in Thedas (and in the Chantry/templars) that might consider them BM.
Yup.
Stolen Throne and the Calling.
I never denied they were in a gray area in so far as the Chantry was concerned, but they don't fit Chantry definition for blood magic as in a spell powered and activated by blood.
I'd argue until more is learned about the process of the joining, it being considered blood magic is conjecture, even if Dev comment alludes that it is given Phylacteries are as well despite them not fitting Chantry definition.
I can't believe I forgot this Z. Felassan scries too for Michel in the beginning of TME. All he had to do was hold the feather from his hat and was able to track him down.
I can't believe I forgot this Z. Felassan scries too for Michel in the beginning of TME. All he had to do was hold the feather from his hat and was able to track him down.
So instead of using their blood, ultimately using blood magic, perhaps they should just have a belonging of the Mages to avoid such blatant hypocrisy.
just a thought
So instead of using their blood, ultimately using blood magic, perhaps they should just have a belonging of the Mages to avoid such blatant hypocrisy.
just a thought
Blood would work a hell of a lot faster, and be more accurate to be honest. I'd rather they just use the blood, because there will be situations where time is of the essence and every second will count.
Blood would work a hell of a lot faster, and be more accurate to be honest. I'd rather they just use the blood, because there will be situations where time is of the essence and every second will count.
how is it faster? Felassan figured it out in a matter of seconds before they started walking. I think a First Enchanter could manage making an accurate reading,
Blood would work a hell of a lot faster, and be more accurate to be honest. I'd rather they just use the blood, because there will be situations where time is of the essence and every second will count.
How about skin cells? Or hair? That doesn't involve blood magic.
I can't believe I forgot this Z. Felassan scries too for Michel in the beginning of TME. All he had to do was hold the feather from his hat and was able to track him down.
So four times in Lore Thus far.
How about skin cells? Or hair? That doesn't involve blood magic.
That would be perfect, why use blood and preach against the use of blood magic. It's a joke.
how is it faster? Felassan figured it out in a matter of seconds before they started walking. I think a First Enchanter could manage making an accurate reading,
Perhaps. But I'd still rather just use the blood and have them admit it is blood magic. I don't see a problem with the use of blood in this situation.
Perhaps. But I'd still rather just use the blood and have them admit it is blood magic. I don't see a problem with the use of blood in this situation.
For me, it's the practicing what you preach especially when there's other options.
Perhaps. But I'd still rather just use the blood and have them admit it is blood magic. I don't see a problem with the use of blood in this situation.
Because it will bring into question the legitimacy of the system. "Mages aren't allowed blood magic, but we are."
how is it faster? Felassan figured it out in a matter of seconds before they started walking. I think a First Enchanter could manage making an accurate reading,
Recall this is going to be done by Templars in the field.
Not a First Enchanter, they need the in second accuracy.
Because it will bring into question the legitimacy of the system. "Mages aren't allowed blood magic, but we are."
Even though it really isn't blood magic, by Chantry definition.
Recall this is going to be done by Templars in the field.
Not a First Enchanter, they need the in second accuracy.
They could easily change that, Z, come on now. We all know that could be done.
Recall this is going to be done by Templars in the field.
Not a First Enchanter, they need the in second accuracy.
True. In this situation, every second counts. So I'd rather just use the blood.
how is it faster? Felassan figured it out in a matter of seconds before they started walking. I think a First Enchanter could manage making an accurate reading,
That was also a Dreamer mage who had God knows what kind of other capabilities that he kept to himself.
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