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[DrogonTheThird]

True. In this situation, every second counts. So I'd rather just use the blood.

So why not put a FE in charge of it like she said

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Even though it really isn't blood magic, by Chantry definition.

Of course it isn't. When they are using it, it is whatever they say it is since they hold all the cards. I'm sure they'd never break their own laws for their benefit. 

[Master Warder Z_]

It is by Gaider's definition, that's enough for me.

 

His definition needs to be expanded or clarified then.

 

 

They could easily change that, Z, come on now. We all know that could be done.

 

You think they can get the first Enchanter out of the tower every time they need track an Apostate?

[Hellion Rex]

So why not put a FE in charge of it like she said

I highly doubt they would bring a First Enchanter out into the wilderness to track down one maleficar/apostate that has escaped from the Circle.

[Master Warder Z_]

Of course it isn't. When they are using it, it is whatever they say it is since they hold all the cards. I'm sure they'd never break their own laws for their benefit. 

 

._. It isn't.

 

Its a component, not a power source.

 

Aka not blood magic.

[Divine Justinia V]

That was also a Dreamer mage who had God knows what kind of other capabilities that he kept to himself.

 

What about The Stolen Throne reference? They weren't dreamers. I'm sure a well-trained Mage could figure it out with something else, like hair or skin as Hina said. You don't need a dreamer for that.

[Divine Justinia V]

You think they can get the first Enchanter out of the tower every time they need track an Apostate?

 

Or a Senior Enchanter, yes, I do, considering they can do anything they want.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I have to wonder if there are any specific risks to the phylactery system, though. One phylactery seems pretty safe, but a circle may hold a very large number of mages. How does, 100, 500, or even 1,000 vials of magically charged blood effect the veil in that area? Are we sure that's not going to attract demons? To me, it seems like it could carry some risks. 

[Hellion Rex]

I have to wonder if there are any specific risks to the phylactery system, though. One phylactery seems pretty safe, but a circle may hold a very large number of mages. How does, 100, 500, or even 1,000 vials of magically charged blood effect the veil in that area? Are we sure that's not going to attract demons? To me, it seems like it could carry some risks. 

I don't think the blood itself is necessarily charged with power until a Templar or mage deliberately exerts will onto the blood within, so I don't think it affects the Veil in this circumstance.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I don't think the blood itself is necessarily charged with power until a Templar or mage deliberately exerts will onto the blood within, so I don't think it affects the Veil in this circumstance.

Even if it's not charged constantly, demons are attracted to blood. Hundreds or even thousands of vials of blood is quite a bit to just have around. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Or a Senior Enchanter, yes, I do, considering they can do anything they want.

 

._.

 

I can pretty much assure you that a First Enchanter would never be deemed to leave on that basis, they are critical to the daily operation of the circle.

 

Assuming the Enchanter is trusted enough to be allowed to leave the safety and confinement of the circle, that they have training and experience in a rare field of magic and assuming that the material in question is applicable, blood works best after all.

 

What does that mean? That they can magically toss out the regulation, laws and rules on the issue when there is a need for it? That isn't how a society nor a containment works.

[Divine Justinia V]

._.

 

I can pretty much assure you that a First Enchanter would never be deemed to leave on that basis, they are critical to the daily operation of the circle.

 

Assuming the Enchanter is trusted enough to be allowed to leave the safety and confinement of the circle, that they have training and experience in a rare field of magic and assuming that the material in question is applicable, blood works best after all.

 

What does that mean? That they can magically toss out the regulation, laws and rules on the issue when there is a need for it? That isn't how a society nor a containment works.

 

First of all, why do the laws and rules matter if they're breaking them? If there's a way to take out the main ingredient of something they not only hate and fear, but lobotomize Mages for, why not use a different identification from the body? Hair? Cells? Skin follicles?

Anything.

 

You keep fighting me on this but there's a much better way for them to locate apostates, more than one.

 

"Gaider confirmed that phylacteires is blood magic. It's used to track escaped circle mage. Even Chantry finds magic useful. It's blood magic spell, but it doesn't summon demons or dominates minds of others. Wolrd Goverments alos make their hands dirty to preserve stability."

 

It's a blood magic spell, ie blood magic. Practice what you preach, then come at me.

[Master Warder Z_]

First of all, why do the laws and rules matter if they're breaking them? If there's a way to take out the main ingredient of something they not only hate and fear, but lobotomize Mages for, why not use a different identification from the body? Hair? Cells? Skin follicles?

Anything.

 

You keep fighting me on this but there's a much better way for them to locate apostates, more than one.

 

"Gaider confirmed that phylacteires is blood magic. It's used to track escaped circle mage. Even Chantry finds magic useful. It's blood magic spell, but it doesn't summon demons or dominates minds of others. Wolrd Goverments alos make their hands dirty to preserve stability."

 

It's a blood magic spell, ie blood magic. Practice what you preach, then come at me.

 

Justinia lobotomization? Really?  That has nothing to do with this subject, its an entirely separate matter and also Why would you assume that Blood is taken merely because the Chantry "violates" its rules, perhaps its the best method, perhaps its the only preservable format of the data. 

 

Really? The Blood seems to do its job.

 

Blood Magic via Chantry definition and i quote "Magic that is powered by Blood" End quote.

 

Blood is a component in Scrying, And in the usage of the Mage Locators. Therefore by Chantry definition and blood magic as it current sits it isn't blood magic, and it wasn't until Gaider said otherwise (Despite the lore supporting the notion it wasn't)

[Lillian]

 

Justinia lobotomization? Really?    That has nothing to do with this subject, its an entirely separate matter and also Why would you assume that Blood is taken merely because the Chantry "violates" its rules, perhaps its the best method, perhaps its the only preservable format of the data. 

 

Really? The Blood seems to do its job.

 

Blood Magic via Chantry definition and i quote "Magic that is powered by Blood" End quote.

 

Blood is a component in Scrying, And in the usage of the Mage Locators. Therefore by Chantry definition and blood magic as it current sits it isn't blood magic, and it wasn't until Gaider said otherwise (Despite the lore supporting the notion it wasn't)

That definition isn't really accurate, though... It supports the impression that blood magic encompasses all schools, when in fact, blood magic is a school on its own. Magic that utilizes blood as a necessary component is under the category of blood magic. By that accurate description, this form of scrying could be considered blood magic.

[Mockingword]

Blood would work a hell of a lot faster, and be more accurate to be honest. I'd rather they just use the blood, because there will be situations where time is of the essence and every second will count.

Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but don't phylacteries just glow when you're near the mage in question?

 

That does not sound like an accurate method of tracking at all. Honestly, I'm surprised that anybody gets caught that way.

[Hellion Rex]

Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but don't phylacteries just glow when you're near the mage in question?

 

That does not sound like an accurate method of tracking at all. Honestly, I'm surprised that anybody gets caught that way.

In Asunder, the method is described in more detail. It's more like a compass that helps guide you towards the person in question. And still, it's a stronger source than hair or skin.

[Lillian]

Sorcerer from Dragon's Dogma for an icon? I support this.

[Hellion Rex]

Sorcerer from Dragon's Dogma for an icon? I support this.

I wanted to do the Magick Archer icon, but I couldn't a small one that fit the parameters for BSN. Magick Archer is my favorite.

 

 

Edit: Never mind.

[MisterJB]

Because it will bring into question the legitimacy of the system. "Mages aren't allowed blood magic, but we are."

Why? A nation won't usually allow its citizens to own tanks while simultaneously providing its military with them.

This is because civillians are likely to abuse this power; such as blowing up something if he finds out his wife is sleeping with his best friend; while the military has checks and balances in place to prevent such and it can use these weapons to protect the population.

 

Is that hipocrisy or just common sense?

[dragonflight288]

His definition needs to be expanded or clarified then.

 

 

He said it qualifies as blood magic because it's blood powering it.

 

In Witch Hunt, Finn's scrying using Ariane's blood can be considered blood magic, although he says it' a grey area because the blood isn't powering the spell but it is a component of it. The Tome of the Mortal Vessel item description says that because blood magic is so stigmatized that many outright ban the study of anatomy as it's considered blood magic.

 

A phylactery is powered by a mages blood, and is therefore, by the Chantry's own definition, blood magic. 

[dragonflight288]

Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but don't phylacteries just glow when you're near the mage in question?

 

That does not sound like an accurate method of tracking at all. Honestly, I'm surprised that anybody gets caught that way.

 

Watch the web series Dragon Age Redemption starring Felicia Day, at least the first two episodes. The templar is using a phylactery to track Sarrabaas. It doesn't just glow when he's near, it's leading him to the mage directly. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Why? A nation won't usually allow its citizens to own tanks while simultaneously providing its military with them.

This is because civillians are likely to abuse this power; such as blowing up something if he finds out his wife is sleeping with his best friend; while the military has checks and balances in place to prevent such and it can use these weapons to protect the population.

 

Is that hipocrisy or just common sense?

I think the hypocrisy is in the attitude. The government doesn't suggest the use of tanks is evil or morally reprehensible, in any way. Generally, there are no state religions that preach against tanks. The Chantry view of blood magic as a public stance is a lot more complicated than just, "this is too powerful for the public to use". It wouldn't be so much of a problem if they were that upfront about their intentions. 

[Lord Raijin]

I just replayed DA2 now. I have never supported the templars, as I believe the way they treat mages are wrong. But Fenris keeps telling Hawke that if mages are free, they will take controll and slave the non-mages. So does free mages make them conquerors? If the mages "win the war"  in DAI, will it lead to another Tevinter Imperium?

 

In my opinion the Tevinter Imperium seems even worse than the Circle. But it is in human nature to seek domination. And mages are stronger than regular folks. So is the cicle a necessity then?

 

What do you guys think?

 

I don't take anything that Fenris tells me seriously. It's just gibberish. He's obviously bias and has a deep hatred for all mages because of what 1 did to him. I find it hard to believe that once you give mages their freedom that they're going to turn around and enslave all of the non-mages that surrounds them. Not every mage seeks domination. Many are fighting to have equal rights like any other non mages. Mages like Anders are not fighting for total domination. They're fighting to get their freedom. Anders took an ultimate sacrifice by soughing out a helping hands from a spirit of the fade by allowing Justice to use his body as a host. 

 

Having this very same belief is nothing more than a clever dogma plan to keep the public support. It's so much fallacy behind that beliefs.

[Mockingword]

Why? A nation won't usually allow its citizens to own tanks while simultaneously providing its military with them.

This is because civillians are likely to abuse this power; such as blowing up something if he finds out his wife is sleeping with his best friend; while the military has checks and balances in place to prevent such and it can use these weapons to protect the population.

 

Is that hipocrisy or just common sense?

Lol. As if nations and their military aren't abusing their access to these weapons right now.

 

Also, as if an independent, international, religiously motivated organization is anything like a legit government.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why? A nation won't usually allow its citizens to own tanks while simultaneously providing its military with them.

This is because civillians are likely to abuse this power; such as blowing up something if he finds out his wife is sleeping with his best friend; while the military has checks and balances in place to prevent such and it can use these weapons to protect the population.

 

Is that hipocrisy or just common sense?

The Chantry is not a nation, it is a religion. So doing what you say others shouldn't is nothing less than heresy.