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[Cobra's_back]

i know , but its more about the compagnion thing i was wondering about ... of course that goes without saying that he live for me !! why else would i be concerned !! Anders if by far my favorite character in dragon age ...and hold precious informations about the next events , sure he'll be there ,but as compagnion is what i hope the most  

 

I would say he was a star character in DAA. He had his own mission. This mission may collide with the current mission and that is why some players would not consider him a companion.

 

 

His goal was to fight for Mage freedom. Our goal is to close the ever growing rip. I wouldn't expect him to change that. I expect he would move against the player if the player went against the mage group. 

 

 

It could happen that in your game you will see Hawk/Anders together fighting for the mages. He will be Hawk's love interest in your game if that is the way you had it.

 

Also, he committed a crime and I'm not sure how that would work with a seeker and Leliana on the team. My guess is that they would want to arrest him. 

[Senya]

Not to mention the ginormous statues of Andraste outside that came crashing down and injured numerous people, or the debris from the explosion flying every which way.

And possible structural damage from laying bombs at the foundations of a huge building.

[Senya]

maybe ,but you don't want to unleash hidden powers if you threaten his Anders huhuhu

Templar powers activating...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

seriously does somebody did care about that 'chantry' !!? what kind of good things happened there ? did we meet a a romancable compagnion there? did hawke had friends there ? did that so called grace tried to help settle down the battle she knew will turn into something bigger ? beside the facts that it was blown at night where no one have access to it ,and the 2 or 3 persons it shows there ,i dont see nothing to freak about ... the only memory i keep of it, is thats its the place where...Anders had discovered Karl was made tranquil with that damed chantry mark on his forehead . and thus killed him on Karl demand cause no one want to be tranquil . I felt nothing about the blown up chantry but a bit of betray cause Anders didnt share his thoughts with hawke...that damn vengeance took over our love and thrust....oh anyways ,just to say the chantry didnt do a damn the whole DA2.. might as well blow it to shake things up once and for all !!!

 

Yes. Their name is Sebastian.

[Cobra's_back]

Only Elthina and some Templars.

They're not "innocent".

 

I'm not a fan of the Chantry or the Templars, but I don't know for sure if your statement is true. There is a limit to what they can show. It was an open to the public building. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Who do you think was in there?

Where's your prove that there where people other than Elthina in it? It's night. We've been to the Chantry at night and have not seen anyone there. And you can call it bias all you want but people in the game flat out tell us that the Chantry doesn't take people in.

Where's your prove that the people you think were there were innocent? Unless you think Elthina's innocent...

You do I think? 

Well, several Templars and a few dozen Chantry sisters for starters since they live in the building. 

 

Where's your proof the people inside were guilty of crimes worthy of death? For 90% of the people who died, the only connection to the Circle system was they Andrastian like the Templars. 

[Wrathion]

You have the option to Kill the dude or let him go.

 

If you kill him, you DON'T want to see him again and you wont (unless Justice i guess)

 

If you let him go or make out with him, then you will. 

 

Question answered. not really

[Senya]

You do I think? 

Well, several Templars and a few dozen Chantry sisters for starters since they live in the building. 

 

Where's your proof the people inside were guilty of crimes worthy of death? For 90% of the people who died, the only connection to the Circle system was they Andrastian like the Templars. 

For some on here, that's enough.

 

Nevermind Anders states himself he deserved to die for what he did.

[Lulupab]

Templar powers activating...

 

That did nothing when Anders killed a dozen of Templars and turned them into molten flesh with a single spell. (in his short story). People who train for years to counter his kind died instantaneously and when a sword penetrated Anders nothing happened. No matter how much I hate that story its canon until Bioware says otherwise. Not even the greatest Templar powers can save you from Vengeance of a mage hawke who is possibly stronger than Anders.

[Senya]

That did nothing when Anders killed a dozen of Templars and turned them into molten flesh with a single spell. (in his short story). People who train for years to counter his kind died instantaneously and when a sword penetrated Anders nothing happened. No matter how much I hate that story its canon until Bioware says otherwise. Not even the greatest Templar powers can save you from Vengeance of a mage hawke who is possibly stronger than Anders.

Except a Templar Hawke. Remember, they are both special.

[Lulupab]

For some on here, that's enough.

 

Nevermind Anders states himself he deserved to die for what he did.

 

Nope. Not in a 100% friend route. He says if he HAS to die then so be it. He does not claim he deserves it. Also there is a dialogue available only when Anders is 100% friend. Hawke says he understands why Anders destroyed the chantry and according to Sebastian Hawkes condones with what Anders did. So Hawke indeed can agree with Anders method and support him hundred percent. Sorry but the devs have put that options in the game.

[Cobra's_back]

Not to mention the ginormous statues of Andraste outside that came crashing down and injured numerous people, or the debris from the explosion flying every which way.

 

True explosion unless you are a bomb expert are anything but contained. The debris from the building and statue could have killed anyone around it. Not to mention the deaths from fire or smoke. 

 

I never liked the terrorist plan. I would have loved an underground railroad and a mage take over of the tower approach like Asunder. That would have been so much more entertaining for me.

[Senya]

Nope. Not in a 100% friend route. He says if he HAS to die then so be it. He does not claim he deserves it. Also there is a dialogue available only when Anders is 100% friend. Hawke says he understands why Anders destroyed the chantry and according to Sebastian Hawkes condones with what Anders did. So Hawke indeed can agree with Anders method and support him hundred percent. Sorry but the devs have put that options in the game.

Personally, my view of it is that Anders wants to blow up the Chantry AND wants to die for it -- that way he gets the revolution he/Justice believes is necessary, but still gives justice to those who died in the Chantry. Though I like the poetic justice of forcing him to live in the world his actions create

 

http://forum.bioware...lers/?bioware=1

 

I'm sure his writer can give voice to his motivations.

[EmissaryofLies]

Can't get over just how beautiful and great it was to see that place devastated like that.

 

I actually cheered out loud.

[Lulupab]

http://forum.bioware...lers/?bioware=1

 

I'm sure his writer can give voice to his motivations.

 

Jennifer Hepler continued the writing. Anders was written by David Gaider in Awakening and he already set Anders' future role before giving the writing to her. She mostly worked on details and romance. Anders role in DA2 was decided far before all of this. So no, even she admits that in HER opinion Anders wants to die. He doesn't WANT to die, he accepts death IF it comes to him. There is a difference.

[Lulupab]

You do I think? 

Well, several Templars and a few dozen Chantry sisters for starters since they live in the building. 

 

Where's your proof the people inside were guilty of crimes worthy of death? For 90% of the people who died, the only connection to the Circle system was they Andrastian like the Templars. 

 

You'd think the scene would at least show one civilian target. I mean sure the engine is limited and all but roughly seven people are shown, Elthina and six Templars. They could include one civilian target to balance it out. Also its middle of the night, notice the full moon in the sky. Therefore the chantry was likely as empty as it can be. Its quite believe only Elthina and Templars were there.

[Cobra's_back]

You'd think the scene would at least show one civilian target. I mean sure the engine is limited and all but roughly seven people are shown, Elthina and six Templars. They could include one civilian target to balance it out. Also its middle of the night, notice the full moon in the sky. Therefore the chantry was likely as empty as it can be. Its quite believe only Elthina and Templars were there.

 

It is still an explosion. Explosions don't tend to be neat and tidy. So I'm in the camp it was a terrorist attack that could have taken out more than just the intended target. Very few terrorist care about civilian casualties. Most terrorist expect it.

[lane]

I would say he was a star character in DAA. He had his own mission. This mission may collide with the current mission and that is why some players would not consider him a companion.

 

 

His goal was to fight for Mage freedom. Our goal is to close the ever growing rip. I wouldn't expect him to change that. I expect he would move against the player if the player went against the mage group. 

 

 

It could happen that in your game you will see Hawk/Anders together fighting for the mages. He will be Hawk's love interest in your game if that is the way you had it.

 

Also, he committed a crime and I'm not sure how that would work with a seeker and Leliana on the team. My guess is that they would want to arrest him. 

its really not an issue with me , i already don't fancy that seeker much ,and leliana , well if she must be in the party ,she'll need to deal with it ! i wouldnt even need to think about who i will keep in my party !

[lane]

Templar powers activating...

templar ? i thought hawke proven himself with them through out the whole game siding with Anders and mages ! did you forget Anders escaped the circle claws which mean the templars claws or maybe did you miss what happened when he saw what they did to Karl , or maybe when he stood against the knight commander herself to defend Anders and the mage cause .  no no , Anders can handle the templars just fine . my hawke will have to see better things to slaughter if ever Anders is in danger.

[lane]

Can't get over just how beautiful and great it was to see that place devastated like that.

 

I actually cheered out loud.

haha ,actually i felt nothing !  what did that stupid church did to help settle or calm things down !!  specially when that grace knew for sure the consequences . for me it was as useless as the real church in the real world on the war time ... i only cared about Anders safety back then !

[RynJ]

Nope. Not in a 100% friend route. He says if he HAS to die then so be it. He does not claim he deserves it. Also there is a dialogue available only when Anders is 100% friend. Hawke says he understands why Anders destroyed the chantry and according to Sebastian Hawkes condones with what Anders did. So Hawke indeed can agree with Anders method and support him hundred percent. Sorry but the devs have put that options in the game.

 

I always assumed even at 100% friendship that Anders thinks he deserves to die even if he doesn't outright say it, or should I say Justice does. If he dies, that is justice. He could have just run away after planting the bomb but he didn't. Instead he leaves it to Hawke's judgment and doesn't fight it if he's killed. He doesn't WANT to die but he certainly seems to think it's right to put judgment in Hawke's hands, since he trusts him with that at that point and if he dies so be it. He actually seems surprised if you let him live.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You'd think the scene would at least show one civilian target. I mean sure the engine is limited and all but roughly seven people are shown, Elthina and six Templars. They could include one civilian target to balance it out. Also its middle of the night, notice the full moon in the sky. Therefore the chantry was likely as empty as it can be. Its quite believe only Elthina and Templars were there.

It's a church. Everyone in there was a civilian target. There was nothing military about the building. 

 

Ansd again, all the Sisters, who are as innocent of the issue as any civilian can be since all they do is work there and pray, live in the Chantry buildings.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

haha ,actually i felt nothing !  what did that stupid church did to help settle or calm things down !!  specially when that grace knew for sure the consequences . for me it was as useless as the real church in the real world on the war time ... i only cared about Anders safety back then !

Stopped Meredith from enacting the Right of Annulment much sooner for starters. It may have not made things better, but it was also making sure things didn't get worse either. 

[lane]

Jennifer Hepler continued the writing. Anders was written by David Gaider in Awakening and he already set Anders' future role before giving the writing to her. She mostly worked on details and romance. Anders role in DA2 was decided far before all of this. So no, even she admits that in HER opinion Anders wants to die. He doesn't WANT to die, he accepts death IF it comes to him. There is a difference.

 

Nope. Not in a 100% friend route. He says if he HAS to die then so be it. He does not claim he deserves it. Also there is a dialogue available only when Anders is 100% friend. Hawke says he understands why Anders destroyed the chantry and according to Sebastian Hawkes condones with what Anders did. So Hawke indeed can agree with Anders method and support him hundred percent. Sorry but the devs have put that options in the game.

its so sad people only see what happen when you HATED him the whole game ,and already decide to kill him. of course why would he care if hawke didnt like him to beging with ! he wouldnt have anything to hold into anymore ..loosing Karl was already enough. Only when you romanced Anders you can understand that he never wanted to die . Not with Hawke in love with him. You might not know it ,but Bioware did something ,you guys didnt notice , they carried hawke and anders relationship till the end .  yes they did , i'll tell you how it ended , Hawke looked into Anders eyes after asking why he didnt tell him anything, and saw love . And thus, he stood up and said,  i love you and support you and after all this ,Anders said ,they will be hunted and hated , but that doesnt matter to hawke cause he says they will just ran away together after the last battle.

so that how it ended for the many others .

[lane]

its so sad people only see what happen when you HATED him the whole game ,and already decide to kill him. of course why would he care if hawke didnt like him to beging with ! he wouldnt have anything to hold into anymore ..loosing Karl was already enough. Only when you romanced Anders you can understand that he never wanted to die . Not with Hawke in love with him. You might not know it ,but Bioware did something ,you guys didnt notice , they carried hawke and anders relationship till the end .  yes they did , i'll tell you how it ended , Hawke looked into Anders eyes after asking why he didnt tell him anything, and saw love . And thus, he stood up and said,  i love you and support you and after all this ,Anders said ,they will be hunted and hated , but that doesnt matter to hawke cause he says they will just ran away together after the last battle.

so that how it ended for the many others .

 

For some on here, that's enough.

 

Nevermind Anders states himself he deserved to die for what he did.

its so sad people only see what happen when you HATED him the whole game ,and already decide to kill him. of course why would he care if hawke didnt like him to beging with ! he wouldnt have anything to hold into anymore ..loosing Karl was already enough. Only when you romanced Anders you can understand that he never wanted to die . Not with Hawke in love with him. You might not know it ,but Bioware did something ,you guys didnt notice , they carried hawke and anders relationship till the end .  yes they did , i'll tell you how it ended , Hawke looked into Anders eyes after asking why he didnt tell him anything, and saw love . And thus, he stood up and said,  i love you and support you and after all this ,Anders said ,they will be hunted and hated , but that doesnt matter to hawke cause he says they will just ran away together after the last battle.

so that how it ended for the many others .