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[teh DRUMPf!!]

 ... except for rewriting the Keepers...

 

... and the creation of EDI...

 

... and the Thanix Cannon...

 

... and use of the Reaper-IFF for save travel through the Omega-VI relay...

 

... and Object Rho helping warn of the imminent invasion...

 

... and the Reaper artifacts seized from Cerberus labs on Sanctum used to gather intel...

 

... and the upgraded geth that help contribute to the war effort...

 

... and the Reaper Blackstar weapon...

 

... and the Reaper Destroyer remains as an upgrade...

 

... or the Reaper code fragments used to help predict their movements...

 

... and the Citadel housing countless refugees during the war and being turned against the Reapers to stop them...

 

 

... except for all of that...

 

 

AHHHHH!!!! REAPER TECH!!!!!! INDOCTRINATION!!!! DANGER!!!! AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

 

#keepfearalive.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Hey! Those don't count!

[KaiserShep]

Technically, these things aren't necessarily good outside of the fact that the galaxy still needs to defeat the reapers. The only truly good thing to come of reaper tech is the mass relays and I suppose the citadel, but even they were actually bad things so long as the reapers still exist.

Wait a second. You're mocking, earth clan.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I'm a guy who believes Cerberus had it right. Studying Reaper tech isn't inherently wrong, but it is inherently dangerous. To study it and utilize it, you must take strong precautionary measures to ensure that your limited in your exposure to the tech, that it's properly shielded, and that you have some kind of support system to ensure that you aren't becoming too psychologically dependent on it.

 

Cerberus was however very reckless with their technology. They should have taken more precautionary measures and been more careful with their research.

[DeathScepter]

I'm a guy who believes Cerberus had it right. Studying Reaper tech isn't inherently wrong, but it is inherently dangerous. To study it and utilize it, you must take strong precautionary measures to ensure that your limited in your exposure to the tech, that it's properly shielded, and that you have some kind of support system to ensure that you aren't becoming too psychologically dependent on it.

 

Cerberus was however very reckless with their technology. They should have taken more precautionary measures and been more careful with their research.

 

 

you are no fun. what is the point with studying Reaper Technology unless you are reckless.  But I do agree with you, Studying Reaper Technology is a good thing.

[KaiserShep]

You'd think that with the existence of probes and scanning technology, it would be easy to study the tech without risk of exposure. He'll, robotics technology makes telepresence a perfectly viable solution.

[DeathScepter]

You'd think that with the existence of probes and scanning technology, it would be easy to study the tech without risk of exposure.

 

 

but if we wrote people logically, we will not have Cerberus to shoot at. Many people want to shoot at Cerberus.

[KaiserShep]

Bah I wish we could shoot at a more logical Cerberus. If the troopers weren't augmented slaves, they'd be more meaningful enemies to gun down, or possibly even have defectors among the actual combatants that we can choose to spare.

[Iakus]

 ... except for rewriting the Keepers...

 

... and the creation of EDI...

 

... and the Thanix Cannon...

 

... and use of the Reaper-IFF for save travel through the Omega-VI relay...

 

... and Object Rho helping warn of the imminent invasion...

 

... and the Reaper artifacts seized from Cerberus labs on Sanctum used to gather intel...

 

... and the upgraded geth that help contribute to the war effort...

 

... and the Reaper Blackstar weapon...

 

... and the Reaper Destroyer remains as an upgrade...

 

... or the Reaper code fragments used to help predict their movements...

 

... and the Citadel housing countless refugees during the war and being turned against the Reapers to stop them...

 

 

... except for all of that...

 

 

AHHHHH!!!! REAPER TECH!!!!!! INDOCTRINATION!!!! DANGER!!!! AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

 

#keepfearalive.

 

Keepers are Reaper tech.  Rewriting them was Prothean.

 

EDI was human tech.  Self-aware before being augmented by Reaper tech.

 

Reaper IFF wouldn't be needed at all if it wasn't for the Collectors, which were Reaper tech.

 

Object Rho also indoctrinated the entire science expedition studying it.  Without Shepard (or the marines Hackett sent in without Shepard) Object Rho wouldn't have meant a darn thing.

 

Oh you mean the Reaper artifacts Cerberus was using to make their army of Sanctuary-troopers?

 

Non-upgraded geth would also have contributed to the war effort.  

 

So if you want to say Reaper tech is useful for making weapons to fight Reapers with...okay, I guess.

 

But somehow it seems saying Reaper tech is good for fighting Reapers strikes me as...self-defeating.

[Obadiah]

What the heck was object Rho's purpose anyway?

[KaiserShep]

What the heck was object Rho's purpose anyway?

This is probably what bugs me the most about Arrival. I kind of wish that what they found as something involving the alpha relay itself, like a beacon the reapers would use so they can hit it directly when they breach the horizon. But then we wouldn't have a proper reason for the indoctrinated enemies.

[DeathScepter]

Bah I wish we could shoot at a more logical Cerberus. If the troopers weren't augmented slaves, they'd be more meaningful enemies to gun down, or possibly even have defectors among the actual combatants that we can choose to spare.

 

 

If we had a Logical ME3 Cerberus, it will end up that they would be helping us in the end.  there is a difference between having an ally and being friends. Cerberus is not a friend to Alliance or the Council. Termius led by Aria is not a friend to the Alliance or the Council like in the main game. But Logical ME3 Cerberus and Termius led by Aria would be more "allies" than enemies against the Reapers.

 

With Reapers, They should have more various of Reaper Husks, Like volus suicide bombers, or enhance vorcha berserkers. And having different types of sleeper agents.  I do consider that Cerberus as it is within ME3 is poorly written trash. I don't consider myself a good writer but I know that certain elements are stupid.

 

 

Also side note: Understanding Your enemies technology is a good thing for many reasons. For example, understanding how to counter act their technology is one path. To make Anti Reaper Technology, you must understand Reaper Technology.

[GreyLycanTrope]

You left of the Mass Relays and Mass Effect fields in general. Though ones you mention seem to be good uses of reaper tech when specifically geared towards thwarting Reapers, usually with a bit off tweaking by the organics, kinda limited.

 

What the heck was object Rho's purpose anyway?

Well we needed some contrived excuse to plow an asteroid into a Relay. Solar systems won't explode themselves for sake of thematic convenience you know.

[Iakus]

What the heck was object Rho's purpose anyway?

 

MacGuffin

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Keepers are Reaper tech.  Rewriting them was Prothean.

 

EDI was human tech.  Self-aware before being augmented by Reaper tech.

 

Reaper IFF wouldn't be needed at all if it wasn't for the Collectors, which were Reaper tech.

 

Object Rho also indoctrinated the entire science expedition studying it.  Without Shepard (or the marines Hackett sent in without Shepard) Object Rho wouldn't have meant a darn thing.

 

Oh you mean the Reaper artifacts Cerberus was using to make their army of Sanctuary-troopers?

 

Non-upgraded geth would also have contributed to the war effort.  

 

So if you want to say Reaper tech is useful for making weapons to fight Reapers with...okay, I guess.

 

But somehow it seems saying Reaper tech is good for fighting Reapers strikes me as...self-defeating.

 

The Reapers are a hyper-advanced race. Why not use their tech? Jump tech forward by centuries, if not millenia. Post-destroy, Synthesis will definitely be viable. There's no reason not to use Reaper tech. It's perfect for fighting them. If your weapons aren't hurting them, use theirs. What is self-defeating about it? The only self-defeating thing is to not use it out of some foolishly misplaced sense of idealism, ethics, or morality.

 

1. Yes. They'd have to probably use Reaper tech to scramble the signal though.

 

2. As a VI with limited capability and limited utility. The Reaper tech expanded her depth and capability in an incredible way.

 

3. What's your point?

 

4. Still, said indoctrinated science team was able to create a reliable means of monitoring Reaper proximity to the galaxy. Without it, we'd have been caught with our pants down by the Reapers... more so than we already were thanks to the idiocy of the Council and alliance.

 

5. Seems pretty useful to me. Hell, a loyal army that's highly efficient and does whatever I order them too without question beyond technical execution? Sounds perfect. Again, more of the idealistic 'good-guy' bullcrap.

 

6. Yes they would have. Arguably at less efficiency and capability as the upgraded Geth. I'd take the upgraded Geth every time for their increased utility.

[SwobyJ]

Reapings come out of Reaper tech.

 

Shepard never sees Reapings as good.

 

So there we go.

 

Oh, that current cycle stuff? Well... nah...

[SwobyJ]

Rho --> The crucifixion of Jesus, and the placement of him as Christ.

 

Arrival is not just the Reapers' arrival, but Shepard's. This seems a victory to us, a star system sacrificed? And for what?

 

"YOUR time will come..."

 

There are other more mathematical and physical meanings behind Object Rho, but I don't think I'd be able to explain them properly.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Let's not forget the Mass Relay Network comes from the Reapers. The pieces of technology that made the cycle what it is today and connected dozens of races that otherwise would never see each other.

[KaiserShep]

Let's not forget the Mass Relay Network comes from the Reapers. The pieces of technology that made the cycle what it is today and connected dozens of races that otherwise would never see each other.

Though, in the previous cycle, it also permitted the protheans to subjugate the entire galaxy. Imagine what society would be like if they defeated the reapers instead. They'd probably be the antagonists for some of the current races.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Though, in the previous cycle, it also permitted the protheans to subjugate the entire galaxy. Imagine what society would be like if they defeated the reapers instead. They'd probably be the antagonists for some of the current races.

Well, anything CAN be used for bad. But so far the Relays have done more good than harm. 

[Darks1d3]

Though, in the previous cycle, it also permitted the protheans to subjugate the entire galaxy. Imagine what society would be like if they defeated the reapers instead. They'd probably be the antagonists for some of the current races.

I suppose that's one good thing the Reapers did by destroying the Prothean Empire, allow the species of this cycle to evolve on their own without being subjugated by the Protheans. Well, until the Reapers decided to crash the party themselves anyways....

[SwobyJ]

Let's not forget the Mass Relay Network comes from the Reapers. The pieces of technology that made the cycle what it is today and connected dozens of races that otherwise would never see each other.

 

Shepard speaks from arrogance. He is ignorant. He will learn.

 

But the basic idea is intact. The mass relays brought this form of the Cycle - a nearly perfectly managed system of reaping. Yeah, we can travel all over... just as long as every 50,000ish years, all of our bodies get killed or turned into husks.

 

That is trillions(+?) of (at least physical) deaths. All facilitated through Reaper technologies.

[SwobyJ]

I suppose that's one good thing the Reapers did by destroying the Prothean Empire, allow the species of this cycle to evolve on their own without being subjugated by the Protheans. Well, until the Reapers decided to crash the party themselves anyways....

 

That's what we can start to realize.

 

The Leviathans 'cared' for organics in likely a similar (though greater scale) way that the Prothians cared for 'lesser' species.

 

"Join us or die. Joining us also means that you'll never advance and actually fix problems, only die/kill the problems."

 

The Reapers are crappy, but the more we can (OPTIONALLY) learn, the more we can learn that they may be marginally better than the previous situation. At least from a point of view.

 

They still needed to be fought against, struggled against, and defeated, but WE get to decide how much of a faceless horror they Reapers are or are not.

 

 

Now, if we could only really understand what 'preservation in Reaper form' means. I guess there's Marmalade Theory... lol.... or..

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

What have the Romans ever done for us?