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[katerinafm]

I just completed DA2 again for the millionth time, and what Cassandra and Leliana say at the end got me thinking.

 

Cassandra is looking for Hawke, and tells Varric that by finding him/her she was hoping that they could put an end to whatever is happening before it's too late. Then when talking with Leliana, she says 'Gone. Just like the Warden', hinting that they were probably trying to find the Warden as well, perhaps even for the same reason.

 

What if they were planning on making them the head of the Inquisition if they had found them? Maybe the Warden was their first choice, then Hawke their second or vice versa. Both are widely known heroes, so it makes sense that they would choose them for a position of great power such as the head of the Inquisition. What if, when our character in Inquisition comes along and the events at the start of the game happen that make our character 'special' (we don't know specifics yet), they take over what was originally going to be the Warden or Hawke's place?

 

I could be completely off, of course, but it's fun speculating, especially since we don't have a lot of info about what's been going on in the backround other than the mage/templar rebellion going on. What do you think?

 

Edit: To clarify, I don't mean that they were looking for them to help with the Veil Tears, as I know that those happen after the beginning of the game. They could have been looking for them to lead the Inquisition to help with the mage and templar troubles, which would fit what the Inquisition used to do in the past (as written in the dragon age wiki)

Modifié par katerinafm, 20 avril 2014 - 01:43 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, our Inquisitor is apparently the only one who can seal the Veil Tears, so...

[katerinafm]

Well, our Inquisitor is apparently the only one who can seal the Veil Tears, so...

 

Yes, but we don't know if that's the reason they become an Inquisitor or if that comes after, do we?

 

Also, reading over the Inquisition entry on the dragon age wiki, we know that the Inquisition existed before and it wasn't dependant on someone being able to close Veil Tears then. It was an organization that was tasked to defend Thedas from mostly magical dangers. Makes sense that (before the Veil tears start), Cassandra and Leliana were looking to reform the Inquisition anyway, to bring order now that the Circles and Templar order have been compromised.

Modifié par katerinafm, 20 avril 2014 - 01:35 .

[DontWakeTheBear]

The meeting with Varric happened before the Tear, so I suspect they were looking for Hawk or the Warden to help deal with the Mage/Templar war though I'm sure the Veil Tear has become a higher priority now. Getting either of them on the Inquisitions side would not only be a military boost for them it would also be a diplomatic boost. Both of them are widely accomplished warriors and having them on your side means that outside organizations are less likely to resist when you ask them to agree to your terms. But I don't think they really needed them to lead the Inquisition, merely having them allied would be enough.

[katerinafm]

The meeting with Varric happened before the Tear, so I suspect they were looking for Hawk or the Warden to help deal with the Mage/Templar war though I'm sure the Veil Tear has become a higher priority now. Getting either of them on the Inquisitions side would not only be a military boost for them it would also be a diplomatic boost. Both of them are widely accomplished warriors and having them on your side means that outside organizations are less likely to resist when you ask them to agree to your terms. But I don't think they really needed them to lead the Inquisition, merely having them allied would be enough.

 

True, though as far as we know, the Inquisition wasn't even reformed until the Inquisitor comes along. If they were looking for them for the Inquisition, it'd make more sense that they were looking for them to lead it rather than to just make them allies.

[SwobyJ]

There seem to be two major issues, at least as far as we know.

 

1. The Mage/Templar Conflict

2. The Fade tears (Mage centric?) and the demons coming out of them (Warrior centric?)

 

(Yeah I didn't say Rogue, because I don't think this game is as Rogue centric as DAII)

 

I think you may be right! They may have been seeking out the Heroes to lead or at least majorly assist them for #1. It's the Veil issue that could propel everything into convergence, and bring in a 'surprise' character - the Inquisitor.

 

Just guessing though. It would make the Warden/Hawke stuff important in bringing characters together, but not so important that it upstages or overcomplicates what Inquisition will have to offer.

[Sifr]

I really like this theory.

 

But I would suspect that rather than wanting one or the other, both the Warden and Hawke were being sought out to deal with the Mage-Templar situation, only for the Fade Tears to occur and throw that plan out of whack entirely.

 

It makes sense if you look at both characters strengths and weaknesses, throughout Origins the Warden brought disparate people together to fight against a common cause, making them someone you'd want to be a General. However, while they were involved in political maneuvering, it was often as a means to convince people to rally under their banner to fight the Darkspawn.

 

Hawke meanwhile has practically no experience leading soldiers, since unlike Aveline who's implied to have been an officer, Rogue/Warrior Hawke's military service at Ostagar was only as a grunt and/or volunteer to bolster the ranks and Mage Hawke has no military experience whatsoever. Hawke's strength is that throughout DA2 they were frequently called in to resolve situations and deal with politics, even potentially earning respect of the leader of the Qunari (which is no mean feat), making them more of a troubleshooter.

 

You'd send in Hawke to try and deal with the situation first via diplomacy, but if things end up hitting the fan, the Warden's standing by with the rest of the army.

[katerinafm]

I really like this theory.

 

But I would suspect that rather than wanting one or the other, both the Warden and Hawke were being sought out to deal with the Mage-Templar situation, only for the Fade Tears to occur and throw that plan out of whack entirely.

 

Also likely!

[Divine Justinia V]

Yes, but we don't know if that's the reason they become an Inquisitor or if that comes after, do we?

 

Also, reading over the Inquisition entry on the dragon age wiki, we know that the Inquisition existed before and it wasn't dependant on someone being able to close Veil Tears then. It was an organization that was tasked to defend Thedas from mostly magical dangers. Makes sense that (before the Veil tears start), Cassandra and Leliana were looking to reform the Inquisition anyway, to bring order now that the Circles and Templar order have been compromised.

 

I believe the Inquisitor was already an Inquisitor but can only close the tear after something happened? Or no?

[SwobyJ]

I believe the Inquisitor was already an Inquisitor but can only close the tear after something happened? Or no?

 

Could be wrong, but I think you're just a nobody/unknown/other when the incident happens.

 

And that would be your call to action.

[Banxey]

I just completed DA2 again for the millionth time, and what Cassandra and Leliana say at the end got me thinking.

 

Cassandra is looking for Hawke, and tells Varric that by finding him/her she was hoping that they could put an end to whatever is happening before it's too late. Then when talking with Leliana, she says 'Gone. Just like the Warden', hinting that they were probably trying to find the Warden as well, perhaps even for the same reason.

 

What if they were planning on making them the head of the Inquisition if they had found them? Maybe the Warden was their first choice, then Hawke their second or vice versa. Both are widely known heroes, so it makes sense that they would choose them for a position of great power such as the head of the Inquisition. What if, when our character in Inquisition comes along and the events at the start of the game happen that make our character 'special' (we don't know specifics yet), they take over what was originally going to be the Warden or Hawke's place?

 

I could be completely off, of course, but it's fun speculating, especially since we don't have a lot of info about what's been going on in the backround other than the mage/templar rebellion going on. What do you think?

 

Edit: To clarify, I don't mean that they were looking for them to help with the Veil Tears, as I know that those happen after the beginning of the game. They could have been looking for them to lead the Inquisition to help with the mage and templar troubles, which would fit what the Inquisition used to do in the past (as written in the dragon age wiki)

 

I had a similar thought. I believe the Divine knows that the veil tear, or at least a huge catastrophic event is coming and that is why they were looking for the Warden/Hawke. At the end of DotS Beatrix III gives Cassandra a book that looks the same as the one Cass has during the interrogation and tells her that dark times are coming (or something along those lines).

[Divine Justinia V]

Could be wrong, but I think you're just a nobody/unknown/other when the incident happens.

 

And that would be your call to action.

 

Ah, well, that sucks lol

[SwobyJ]

Ah, well, that sucks lol

 

I mean I think they have a backstory (Dalish if Elven, etc) , but I'm not sure how detailed that backstory will be, and I'm PRETTY sure it doesn't relate to the Inquisition at first.

 

It's maybe a 'Hey, you there, he's some authority!' thing at first. Maybe you do some damn impressive stuff, starting your role in the politics of Thedas.

[Divine Justinia V]

I mean I think they have a backstory (Dalish if Elven, etc) , but I'm not sure how detailed that backstory will be, and I'm PRETTY sure it doesn't relate to the Inquisition at first.

 

It's maybe a 'Hey, you there, he's some authority!' thing at first. Maybe you do some damn impressive stuff, starting your role in the politics of Thedas.

 

I'd like for him/her to already be an Inquisitor instead of the way Origins went with the Grey Wardens.

Not that I didn't like it, but it was done already so I wouldn't mind something different

[AresKeith]

It seems like your made the Inquisitor because of the power you gain from the tear

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yes, but we don't know if that's the reason they become an Inquisitor or if that comes after, do we?

 

Also, reading over the Inquisition entry on the dragon age wiki, we know that the Inquisition existed before and it wasn't dependant on someone being able to close Veil Tears then. It was an organization that was tasked to defend Thedas from mostly magical dangers. Makes sense that (before the Veil tears start), Cassandra and Leliana were looking to reform the Inquisition anyway, to bring order now that the Circles and Templar order have been compromised.

We are only related to the first Inquisition by name alone. 

[katerinafm]

Could be wrong, but I think you're just a nobody/unknown/other when the incident happens.

 

And that would be your call to action.

 

Yeah, pretty sure that's what they've been saying so far as well. Whatever happens at the beginning of the game causes you to be chosen as the new head of the Inquisition rather than you starting the game as the 'Inquisitor' right away.

 

I'm not sure if we'll be a 'nobody' exactly; for us to end up in the situation where we are noticed enough to become the head of this extremely important organization, it would probably mean that we weren't just a random character that was passing by when all that happened. Our race backrounds could have an impact on who we are/what we are doing there at the start of the game, etc.

 

We are only related to the first Inquisition by name alone.

 

I haven't seen anybody say that? All I've read of the Inquisition so far suggests that it's the reformation of the former order.

[Divine Justinia V]

wait are we not the First Inquisitor?

[AresKeith]

wait are we not the First Inquisitor?

 

You mean in general or just this Inquisition?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I haven't seen anybody say that? All I've read of the Inquisition so far suggests that it's the reformation of the former order.

The point of this Inquisition is to seal the Veil Tears.

The goal of the first Inquisition was "protecting the people from the tyranny of magic in whatever form it might take; blood mages, abominations, cultists or heretics.[6]"

[Divine Justinia V]

You mean in general or just this Inquisition?

 

If not in general then in the Inquisition

[katerinafm]

The point of this Inquisition is to seal the Veil Tears.

The goal of the first Inquisition was "protecting the people from the tyranny of magic in whatever form it might take; blood mages, abominations, cultists or heretics.[6]"

 

Of course once the Veil Tears appear, it'll become the top priority for the Inquisiton, but like the devs and articles have said so far, the Inquisition will be able to make decisions about the mage/templar war, etc, making it one of the order's previous goals. One doesn't cancel out the other.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Of course once the Veil Tears appear, it'll become the top priority for the Inquisiton, but like the devs and articles have said so far, the Inquisition will be able to make decisions about the mage/templar war, etc, making it one of the order's previous goals. One doesn't cancel out the other.

The Inquisition will be affecting much more than just the Mage-Templar War. The Veils are partially being caused by all the conflicts, so the Inquisition will affect those in order to "save the world from itself". But the Inquisition doesn't start until after the Veil Tears start to occur. 

[SwobyJ]

I'd like for him/her to already be an Inquisitor instead of the way Origins went with the Grey Wardens.

Not that I didn't like it, but it was done already so I wouldn't mind something different

 

It seems like your made the Inquisitor because of the power you gain from the tear

 

Seems so. I wouldn't call it exactly like Origins.

 

Origins you still do something of (even small) significance, in order to be picked for the Wardens. At least I did in Mage Origin . You're THEN rushed along on your Hero Journey.

DAII you still make a name for yourself.

 

But in this one, I think you are 'granted' power from the external. You're not just a fresh face, but you're a fresh face.... experiencing a fresh world.... with fresh powers..... and *many* looking up to you.

It's up to you how you'll respond to that. I don't think Bioware has done this in a story yet. (at least not in KOTOR onward games) Even Mass Effect and other Dragon Age games kept things smaller for a while, with some allies being important, sure, but the hero tending to be on an upward battle for respect instead of quickly looked to for guidance.

 

I'm presuming some story stuff here though.

[Divine Justinia V]

Eeeeh that's kind of the same to me, besides the way you get into to the order. You were a fresh face with powers and people looking up to you in Origins, too.

 

Idk, we shall see