No, Hina had it right the first time.
Well i think i found it in codex so possible as codex entry aren't WoG and they changed many things in series but i still associate that rumors part were about them being necromancers and ruling kingdom not about undead.
Well if i renember rumored part was about them being necromancers and considering that we talk here about dragon age and mages in that setting we can already say that they are
but about undead part it was more like information for tourists
Or it is propaganda against them because they are in a position of power.
Not all of it is rumor. It's rumored they're a death cult, but it's fact that they study death extensively. They're rumored to be a secret society of necromancers, but it's fact that they experiment with necromancy. It's rumored they're ruling Nevarra through the old king, but it's fact that they're politically sharp. According to WoT, anyway.
There is actually not fact about them experimenting with necromancy. Their official job description is that of embalmers and they study death (aka the Fade and spirits). They revere death and the deads too much in Nevarra for them to desecrate corpses.
Or it is propaganda against them because they are in a position of power.
nah my friend we shouldn't be naive and i should note 1 rule that da setting have it is if someone accused mage of something it is truth 
nah my friend we shouldn't be naive and i should note 1 rule that da setting have it is if someone accused mage of something it is truth
Realizing that people lie about those in power is not naive. Ignoring that happens is.
Realizing that people lie about those in power is not naive. Ignoring that happens is.
Well not when we talk about mages if someone tell that mage is blood mage s/he is , if someone points that as necromancer that mage is.Universal rule of da setting nr 35 hehe.
nah my friend we shouldn't be naive and i should note 1 rule that da setting have it is if someone accused mage of something it is truth
Well not when we talk about mages if someone tell that mage is blood mage s/he is , if someone points that as necromancer that mage is.Universal rule of da setting nr 35 hehe.
Is it universal DA rule #1 or #35?
There is actually not fact about them experimenting with necromancy. Their official job description is that of embalmers and they study death (aka the Fade and spirits). They revere death and the deads too much in Nevarra for them to desecrate corpses.
No, WoT says that the Mortalitasi do indeed experiment with necromancy. Its just a rumor, a nasty stereotype, however, that they're a full blown necromantic death cult.
Is it universal DA rule #1 or #35?
35 but i meant one of the rules but is most often used so may be nr 1
Why jeopardize their positions in society by screwing with the Chantry and Templar Order? That would definitely be baiting an Exalted March on Nevarra, and since their organization is already a source of controversy within their own country, you can bet the nobility would throw them under the bus in order to avoid that.
Oh, well, I'm an activist Mortalitasi and would take the risk. 
And about an Exalted March against Nevarra, I'd see that being Orlais vs. Nevarra in the end, which isn't too far off anyway if a few signs here and there are to be taken seriously, and Nevarra could win, especially now against civil-war torn Orlais and their shambled Chantry. If I understand correctly, the core forces of an Exalted March are mundane armies, and I don't see other nations volunteering to make war on Nevarra to Orlesian gain.
And I'm not certain that they're actually controversial as an order within Nevarra. Outside, yes, but inside WoT says they're respected and doesn't really say anything else. They seem controversial at the moment arguably only because the king's opponents are using them as an excuse to discredit him.
And about an Exalted March against Nevarra, I'd see that being Orlais vs. Nevarra in the end which isn't too far off anyway if a few signs here and there are to be taken seriously, and Nevarra could win, especially now against civil-war torn Orlais and their shambled Chantry. If I understand correctly, the core forces of an Exalted March are mundane armies, and I don't see other nations volunteering to make war on Nevarra to Orlesian gain.
Other nations wouldn't feel threatened by a southward expansion of the "Black Chantry"? Or a potential Tevinter 2.0?
And I'm not certain that they're actually controversial as an order within Nevarra. Outside, yes, but inside WoT says they're respected and doesn't really say anything else. They seem controversial at the moment arguably only because the king's opponents are using them as an excuse to discredit him.
Exactly, so what would come first? Would the Pentaghast clan's rivals take the opportunity to oust them both in a coup, or would the Pentaghasts bring the hammer down on the Mortalitasi as part of damage control?
Other nations wouldn't feel threatened by a southward expansion of the "Black Chantry"? Or a potential Tevinter 2.0?
Exactly, so what would come first? Would the Pentaghast clan's rivals take the opportunity to oust them both in a coup, or would the Pentaghasts bring the hammer down on the Mortalitasi as part of damage control?
No expansion, just defense. I wouldn't place expansion before building up the country's infrastructure, and I want to let go of the war economy anyway. It'd be a war of Orlesian aggression.
Also, I don't think ousting the Mortalitasi will be simple because they're powerful in their own right. They're wealthy, well-organized, hold political sway, they're politically sharp from sitting at the feet of kings for centuries, advise many nobles (if not the majority of noble families at some point) so likely have a lot of connections, and are culturally important. They'll stick around as an order in some form IMO even if the king's personal advisers are removed.
No expansion, just defense. I wouldn't place expansion before building up the country's infrastructure, and I want to let go of the war economy anyway. It'd be a war of Orlesian aggression.
To pretty much everyone else it will be an expansion of the black Chantry from Tevinter into Nevarra. The truth matters little.
Also, I don't think ousting the Mortalitasi will be simple because they're powerful in their own right. They're wealthy, well-organized, hold political sway, they're politically sharp from sitting at the feet of kings for centuries, advise many nobles (if not the majority of noble families at some point) so likely have a lot of connections, and are culturally important. They'll stick around as an order in some form IMO even if the king's personal advisers are removed.
If they risk putting Nevarra at the center of a gangbang from Orlais, Ferelden, the Marches, Antiva, and the Anderfels, while alienating those of traditional Andrastian faith within their own borders (pretty much their main clientele), they'd be ousted very quickly.
I don't see the Chantry marching on anyone now that they've completely lost their army. Now is the best time for anyone opposed to the status quo to dig in.
To pretty much everyone else it will be an expansion of the black Chantry from Tevinter into Nevarra. The truth matters little.
If they risk putting Nevarra at the center of a gangbang from Orlais, Ferelden, the Marches, Antiva, and the Anderfels, while alienating those of traditional Andrastian faith within their own borders (pretty much their main clientele), they'd be ousted very quickly.
I doubt the Free Marchers will band together unless there is a legitimate threat on their doorstep. Ferelden is a sea away from Nevarra and is recovering from a blight so I doubt they'd join in an Exalted March. Antiva has no standing army and a policy of neutrality. The Anderfels, maybe they want Nevarran land because theirs sucks, but I think they have their own internal power struggle issues to worry about at present. I only see Orlais doing anything about "Black Chantry 2.0" in the end, and Nevarra can take them.
And the Nevarran nobility doesn't come across as overbearingly Andrastian as not only do they allow an order like the Mortalitasi to exist, they actively patronize them knowing well their political power, and likely benefit from Mortalitasi alliances as they would from any other noble alliance. And I'm not talking about an official Mortalitasi takeover of the crown to do these things, just how I'd use their power if its true they're ruling through the king.
I do wonder if Mortalitasi have titles though, if they hold important offices. Their order could be the precedent for mixed mage-mundane government.
I doubt the Free Marchers will band together unless there is a legitimate threat on their doorstep.
Being re-acquired by a "Tevinter proxy" isn't a legitimate threat?
Antiva has no standing army and a policy of neutrality.
Yes. Assassinated mages are purely coincidental and have nothing to do with Antiva.
The Anderfels, maybe they want Nevarran land because theirs sucks, but I think they have their own internal power struggle issues to worry about at present.
No more or less than the power struggle Nevarra is about to experience?
And the only Nevarran noble we've seen is Cassandra, who seems to be rather loyal to the Chantry as an organization.
Being re-acquired by a "Tevinter proxy" isn't a legitimate threat?
I'm not about expansion.
Yes. Assassinated mages are purely coincidental and have nothing to do with Antiva.
I don't see Antiva waging a war against Nevarra through the crows. I mean, for what? Why?
No more or less than the power struggle Nevarra is about to experience?
For peace, equality, and societal advancement.
And the only Nevarran noble we've seen is Cassandra, who seems to be rather loyal to the Chantry as an organization.
But we know from WoT that Nevarran nobles support the Mortalitasi and other special aspects of magic practice in Nevarra, and I think that's moreso indicative of the Nevarran viewpoint on magic over Cassandra. And though Cassandra may be a strict Andrastian (we really don't know her views yet), her clan, the Pentaghasts, have Mortalitasi advisers, and they introduced the Order to Nevarra to begin.
Plus, the Chantry is a thoroughly Orlesian institution used to promulgate Orlesian interests. I would think most nobles realize this, kick it out of the country and start their own church if they could. Not necessarily a pro-mage church, but it wouldn't be Orlesian or Orlais friendly either.
I'm not about expansion.
It doesn't matter what you're about, only what people think you're about.
I don't see Antiva waging a war against Nevarra through the crows. I mean, for what? Why?
I had thought Tevinter had occupied Antiva at some point, but I got it confused with Starkhaven.
For peace, equality, and societal advancement.
I'm talking about the civil war it's probably going to have between the Pentaghasts, Van Markhams, and other families who want the throne.
But we know from WoT that Nevarran nobles support the Mortalitasi and other special aspects of magic practice in Nevarra, and I think that's moreso indicative of the Nevarran viewpoint on magic over Cassandra. And though Cassandra may be a strict Andrastian (we really don't know her views yet), her clan, the Pentaghasts, have Mortalitasi advisers, and they introduced the Order to Nevarra to begin.
We know that their practices in embalming the dead bears cultural significance, but it's clear that their political machinations are not universally appreciated at the moment.
Plus, the Chantry is a thoroughly Orlesian institution used to promulgate Orlesian interests. I would think most nobles realize this, kick out of the and start their own church if they could. Not necessarily a pro-mage church, but it wouldn't be Orlesian or Orlais friendly either.
How much power are we assuming the Chantry even has in Nevarra, outside of overseeing the Circles?
It doesn't matter what you're about, only what people think you're about.
Well, Nevarra was expansionist before, so if there's a clear break from that policy when mages are (sort of) in control, I'm not sure why'd they'd think I'm about expansion or that I'm Black Chantry 2.0.
I'm talking about the civil war it's probably going to have between the Pentaghasts, Van Markhams, and other families who want the throne.
I'm sure they all have Mortalitasi advisers and understand well if not respect/want to use the power of the Mortalitasi, so I'd help whoever best suits my/Nevarra's interests.
We know that their practices in embalming the dead bears cultural significance, but it's clear that their political machinations are not universally appreciated at the moment.
There are other special aspects to magic practice in Nevarra too, WoT says so, just doesn't list them. And I don't think their machinations will ever be or have ever been universally appreciated, but still they have wealth, power, and noble patrons.
How much power are we assuming the Chantry even has in Nevarra, outside of overseeing the Circles?
It actually can't be a lot when you consider Nevarra's unique magical tradition and their competing with Orlais, but I'd shake it to its foundation and then kick it out because if given the chance, the Chantry will act in favor of Orlais at the expense of Nevarra.
They did it in Kirkwall, for example, when Viscount Threnhold was in office, they did it to Ferelden during their rebellion against Orlais, Chantry politics are a defining issue of the Orlais-Tevinter fued, and they'd do the same things to Nevarra in the end.
I've always had this theory about a possible Nevarran storyline, the Caspar the Magnificent was possessed by a spirit, hence his longevity (he lived for 127 years according to legend). It was actually Caspar's advisor, a Tevinter mage that founded the Mortalisi order and advocated the mummificaton of corpses instead of the their burning. So I'm guessing there will be some sort of undead king storyline in there. Maybe this mage made a deal with a powerful deamon in exchange for future favors, which would include Caspar's rising up as an undead king, leading an army of posessed mummies. Would be loads of fun (if a bit cliché)! 
I think thats a good idea, but we would have to wait till the one of the next games puts us in nevarra to explore it...
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