But all relationships are generally defined, pretty much everyone loves shep (unless you go out of your way to ****** people off).
Yes and no, but that wasn't the point. The point was that the game doesn't allow you to really define relationships in a truly free manner. You can't not like Liara. You can't not tell her to keep a distance.
Regarding Hugs:
You have to consider that things like that have different meanings around the world, in some places it is even common to kiss foreigners.
It is nothing more than a friend-hug and i have yet to see a possibility to un-friend any ME-squadmate without killing them.
It was a lot more intimate than a friend hug. That said, cultural awareness and regard wasn't on the plate here: To be frank, ME is written as rather anthropocentric to Western values and social norms. There is nothing to consider about the meaning of the hug. If you had to do that, then you'd have to ask why such consideration isn't given to other circumstances.
And that's a weakness, one that jtav rightfully said that DA did much better. The game would have been much better off if it allowed you to define relationships with companions and squadmates in a similar manner. I don't want my Shepard to be friends with everybody. I want several characters to despise or dislike him on a personal level. My Shepard is a pretty intense guy. Very charismatic, but very polarizing as a person. You love him or hate him. You see him either as a battlefield practical genius, or a despicable monster. He's very complex and enigmatic. And I'd like to reflect that with the relationships with characters.
But that's bioware's decision, nothing to do with the character.
And BioWare made a very poor call in that department in my opinion. That said, I have stated many times why I dislike Liara personally, as well as disliking the way I can't define my Shepard's relationship to her.
Nope, it's actually the change from ME1 to ME2 that I'm talking about. Even if she wasn't taken on a single mission in ME1, she's portrayed as if she was some kind of a veteran.Again, what sudden change? Because she didn't fight on Therum? She's been locked in there for days, and it is part of the canon that biotics need to maintain their energy levels in order to main control over their biotics. An exhausted, malnourished and dehydrated biotic isn't going to be able to use his or her powers.
So you measure every Asari civilian in the galaxy on...Falere? Nope, that doesn't work.No, you can't. Falere is an untrained asari biotic. Did you see her attempt to attack the husk?
Umm yes, that's how an argument works. No proof, no canon.I don't have to proof that Liara had combat training.
Maybe she trained for 20 years with Shiala, we don't know that. She's 106, more than enough time to train.
You've stated that Liara is terrible written because she is a civilian with no combat or weapons training. And I've just pointed out that you were making this point up. Completely. You have no proof.
That's like saying Kasumi is a terrible written character because she doesn't tell you where she learned to shoot. Or Mordin. Or Miranda...And in what wars did Kaidan fought again? He's a bit too young for the first contact war. And the alliance didn't fought any other wars, only some smaller operations against batarian pirates.
I want several characters to despise or dislike him on a personal level. My Shepard is a pretty intense guy. Very charismatic, but very polarizing as a person. You love him or hate him. You see him either as a battlefield practical genius, or a despicable monster. He's very complex and enigmatic. And I'd like to reflect that with the relationships with characters.
I haven't ever gotten to the end of DA:O and never touched DA2, so maybe I'm missing something here - do some of those characters abandon you if you push it too far? The problem I can see with allowing things to get *too* antagonistic between Shepard and certain squadmates is that BW would be stuck finding a reason for them not to just leave the crew and disappear from the game. With a few exceptions, most of them are there voluntarily, and at least in ME3, it's not as if the Normandy is the only game in town for people who want to fight the Reapers. The only ones who could plausibly be ordered to stay on the Normandy against their wishes would probably be Kaidan and Ashley in ME1, Jacob and Miranda in ME2, and James in ME3.
You've started the argument that Liara has no combat training. That means you have to proof that she has no combat training. That's how it works. And it's more than obvious by now that you can't do that. And your argument doesn't even make any sense. You recruit Liara on Therum, and you can use her on the very next mission. She's portrayed as a capable biotic at that point (explanation: if you plan to go on dangerous worlds alone you will not do so unprepared). That's canon, it's as simple as that. And this wouldn't be possible without some training before (unless you think Shep trained her).
Both Mordin and Miranda tell you they're primarily scientists. Do you think the salarians regularly send their best scientists on combat missions? We know that his last mission in the STG before retiring involved the study of the krogan genophage....and not killing some mercs. By Miranda's own admission she's not generally been involved with the 'military side' of Cerberus. Most of Miranda's leadership involved administering technical and scientific programs (like the Lazarus project). Culturally and emotionally, Tali is a quarian teenager in ME1. Kasumi is a thief. Jack doesn't have a military background either. Thane is an assassin. Not everyone in our squad is an expirienced "elite soldier" with combat experience. Sure...I guess it would be more realistic to have a squad of 10 "James Vegas" for missions, but this is one of the cases where I prefer fun over realism.
As for the Skyllian Blitz and Torfan. the fighting was limited to two planets. There wasn't a full fledged war against the batarians.
"The Skyllian Blitz was a major assault on the human colony of Elysium in 2176 CE. A huge band of pirates, slavers, and batarian warlords, partly funded by batarian financiers, launched an attack into the Skyllian Verge, intending to destroy Elysium."
You've started the argument that Liara has no combat training. That means you have to proof that she has no combat training. That's how it works. And it's more than obvious by now that you can't do that. And your argument doesn't even make any sense. You recruit Liara on Therum, and you can use her on the very next mission. She's portrayed as a capable biotic at that point (explanation: if you plan to go on dangerous worlds alone you will not do so unprepared). That's canon, it's as simple as that. And this wouldn't be possible without some training before (unless you think Shep trained her).
Both Mordin and Miranda tell you they're primarily scientists. Do you think the salarians regularly send their best scientists on combat missions? We know that his last mission in the STG before retiring involved the study of the krogan genophage....and not killing some mercs. By Miranda's own admission she's not generally been involved with the 'military side' of Cerberus. Most of Miranda's leadership involved administering technical and scientific programs (like the Lazarus project). Culturally and emotionally, Tali is a quarian teenager in ME1. Kasumi is a thief. Jack doesn't have a military background either. Thane is an assassin. Not everyone in our squad is an expirienced "elite soldier" with combat experience. Sure...I guess it would be more realistic to have a squad of 10 "James Vegas" for missions, but this is one of the cases where I prefer fun over realism.
As for the Skyllian Blitz and Torfan. the fighting was limited to two planets. There wasn't a full fledged war against the batarians.
"The Skyllian Blitz was a major assault on the human colony of Elysium in 2176 CE. A huge band of pirates, slavers, and batarian warlords, partly funded by batarian financiers, launched an attack into the Skyllian Verge, intending to destroy Elysium."
Well, Liara shouldn't have any combat skills. That's kinda unquestionable.
But she does. That is kinda a fact. I'd call shooting out singularities every two seconds pretty skilled. Bioware should've just written her to have had some commando training. She's 106, give her 5 years training, then she quit, and that's at least more than Ashley, and probably Kaidan as well. But nope, just another oversight.
However, she doesn't, and has the least qualified background of any character.
Now that I think about it, Asari commandos are trained for what, 30-50 years? There should be absolutely no way anyone outside of a Krogan could touch one of them. Asari fleets/commandos+Krogan shock troopers=galactic domination.
I haven't ever gotten to the end of DA:O and never touched DA2, so maybe I'm missing something here - do some of those characters abandon you if you push it too far? The problem I can see with allowing things to get *too* antagonistic between Shepard and certain squadmates is that BW would be stuck finding a reason for them not to just leave the crew and disappear from the game. With a few exceptions, most of them are there voluntarily, and at least in ME3, it's not as if the Normandy is the only game in town for people who want to fight the Reapers. The only ones who could plausibly be ordered to stay on the Normandy against their wishes would probably be Kaidan and Ashley in ME1, Jacob and Miranda in ME2, and James in ME3.
In DA:O if companions disapprove of what you do too much they can leave, others can be asked to leave, the only ones who cannot be made to leave are Alistair and Dog iirc.
There is some considerable middle ground when it comes to defining character relationships, there is no reason to make Shepard and Liara's relationship particularly close against the wishes of the player.
I'm against forced relationships as a rule, so when it comes up with Garrus and Anderson I will say the same thing that I do with Liara, Players shouldn't be railroaded into liking a character.
Now that I think about it, Asari commandos are trained for what, 30-50 years? There should be absolutely no way anyone outside of a Krogan could touch one of them. Asari fleets/commandos+Krogan shock troopers=galactic domination.
Asari Huntresses are only matched in one on one combat by Spectres and Krogan Warlords
In terms of overall combat ability the Turians have the edge, followed by the geth
Asari Huntresses are only matched in one on one combat by Spectres and Krogan Warlords
In terms of overall combat ability the Turians have the edge, followed by the geth
Debatable. Technically, the Geth should be the best period. None of the weaknesses inherent to organics, exponentially increased capability in all the strengths of organics. Really, the only reason they aren't is because reasons.
Remember that stupid line from Benezia
"Have you ever seen an Asari commando unit before? Few humans have." Its true you know. Because every time the Asari commandos get into a firefight they die. So yes not many humans have seen them
Now on the other hand this is what my femshep wanted to say to Benezia before she died
"Have you ever seen an Human commando unit before? Few Asari have." That line would fit perfectly for that scene and my ruthless soldier femshep.
Also why is it Shepard and company can go to the Monestary and kicka** whereas the Asari commandos are dead? The Asari may want to rethink their training program.
Remember that stupid line from Benezia
"Have you ever seen an Asari commando unit before? Few humans have." Its true you know. Because every time the Asari commandos get into a firefight they die. So yes not many humans have seen them
Now on the other hand this is what my femshep wanted to say to Benezia before she died
"Have you ever seen an Human commando unit before? Few Asari have." That line would fit perfectly for that scene and my ruthless soldier femshep.
Also why is it Shepard and company can go to the Monestary and kicka** whereas the Asari commandos are dead? The Asari may want to rethink their training program.
They die because you're supposed to beat them so you can continue the game. How would you have written the asari commandos so they'd kick Shepard's ass and the game continued? See, Shepard is your DC comics hero in ME1 and nothing in the galaxy can defeat Shepard. Shepard is better than the Turian military. Shepard is tougher than the Krogan. Shepard can be the biggest ass and everyone still likes Shepard. Shepard is the classic mary sue.
They die because you're supposed to beat them so you can continue the game. How would you have written the asari commandos so they'd kick Shepard's ass and the game continued? See, Shepard is your DC comics hero in ME1 and nothing in the galaxy can defeat Shepard. Shepard is better than the Turian military. Shepard is tougher than the Krogan. Shepard can be the biggest ass and everyone still likes Shepard. Shepard is the classic mary sue.
I would not of given that line to Benezia. Instead have her say you can't win. Saren will succeed. Or something along that line
I would not of given that line to Benezia. Instead have her say you can't win. Saren will succeed. Or something along that line
I don't know. That part is generally considered one of the more difficult parts of ME1, on par with the higher level Krogan encounters. I think the Asari commandos earned their reputation in that fight.
I don't know. That part is generally considered one of the more difficult parts of ME1, on par with the higher level Krogan encounters. I think the Asari commandos earned their reputation in that fight.
Someone has clearly never played a vanguard 
Someone has clearly never played a vanguard
None of them can do anything if they Throw or Stasis you off the edge.
None of them can do anything if they Throw or Stasis you off the edge.
that particular layout was pretty horrible, and there was a glitch which would cause you to become permanently stuck in stasis
but the actual fight itself wasn't particularly difficult especially when compared to some of the other notorious parts of ME1
That glitch was the hardest element of the fight to me. Put the queen's tank between Shepard and Benezia, and you can pick everything else off at your leisure.that particular layout was pretty horrible, and there was a glitch which would cause you to become permanently stuck in stasis
but the actual fight itself wasn't particularly difficult especially when compared to some of the other notorious parts of ME1
that particular layout was pretty horrible, and there was a glitch which would cause you to become permanently stuck in stasis
but the actual fight itself wasn't particularly difficult especially when compared to some of the other notorious parts of ME1
I always thought that was the hardest part of ME1 (although it's not a particularly difficult game unless you do the lvl 1 Insanity run). It's one of those few situations where you can't stafe around the enemies in circles or turn the whole thing into a biotic turkey shoot.
I found that fight relatively easy. Even on insanity mode.
Just drop a singularity.
Hell, lift is a sure kill in that section. (apparantly, it has a deadly ceiling...)
Throw pretty much is as well.
Just make sure you're on the back end of Benezia and that fight is a breeze
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